I remember when a few idiots were genuinely saying on here that this guy would have beaten Inoue
Inoue would have starched Nery. Nery is face first, aimless, swings for the fences and can't even make weight
That said I'm very happy for Brandon. That family had had a lot of tough luck with Omar declining badly and taking beatings so I'm glad Brandon got the W
Oh and Scooter Fulton beats both
Lol relax nerd, just because I dont spend all day every day on here like you do doesn't mean im "running".
First off, its hilarious to me how you played into my mentioning of Arce when i had already knew that was the fighter you were going to zone in on. My sole purpose for putting him on my list was becuase in a different thread you were bigging up that bum Charlie Edwards and even compared him in the same breath to someone of the stature of Finito. The fact is, Edwards can only dream of having a fraction of the career of Arce, let alone Finito, by the time he retires.
Second, its even more hilarious how you love moving the goal post for either every fighter I mention, or every fighter you mention. One second its, "oh hes more popular internationally....then the next is, its about accolades, then its about "well they were only popular because they beat a fighter more popular than them". Lol true dunce if ive ever seen one.
BUT THE FUNNIEST PART OF ALL IS, you like to talk about being "international" yet literally almost all the bums you named are DOMESTIC level stars... while all the ones I mentioned made their career in a different country that they were born in, all the articles written about them calling them All Time Greats are from countries not named Mexico or based in Mexico.
But all this anger and jealousy you have of Mexican and American fighters (who clearly are more dominant than UK fighters) isnt at all surprising with a male that walk around with a female name , Sydney :haha:
Lets break it all down one piece at a time so we're not talking about different fighters and filling the page with points you will run from. We'll get to every point eventually. You'll be embarrassed like you are every time with me. But this time, you really f3cked up. I'm going to enjoy this like i do with every idiot like you who i put in their place. Just watch out with the deflections. Your characteristics are all the same.
Tell me about Arce being an "International legend" like you said. Tell me every world class fighter he beat. Then explain why that bum is internationally known and why he would be known. The tell me how he's great.
The greats i named can't just be domestic stars if they're known world wide and world champions, can they? All made their name in the US you weirdo, as they're internationally known. So they made their name everywhere. They fought in the US too. Stupid. But you're far too dumb and insecure to accept reality. But i'll educate you dummy. Oh don't worry, i'll be giving you an education alright.
We have better resumes than both Americans and Mexicans. Check the collective resumes, then get back to me. So no, you're not more dominant. And we beat you lot more than you beat us. I'll prove it too when we get on the subject. But first, Jorge Arce is the subject.
Have you decided to run again and refuse to debate your claims and back them up? But you want to put me in my place don't you? What are you waiting for? I'm here.
Start by telling me which world level fighters the international legend Jorge Arce beat, and i'll tell you about the fighters in my list who are irrelevant on the international stage/world level and nothing but bums like Welsh, Wilde, Fitzsimmons, "Kid" Lewis, Benn, Eubank, Naz, McLarnin etc etc...
Then tell me about Saldivar and his international legendary status. Of course eliminating Winstone because he's nothing but a bum as you say. But the rest of his "ATG" victories.
And so on and so on...
Lol relax nerd, just because I dont spend all day every day on here like you do doesn't mean im "running".
First off, its hilarious to me how you played into my mentioning of Arce when i had already knew that was the fighter you were going to zone in on. My sole purpose for putting him on my list was becuase in a different thread you were bigging up that bum Charlie Edwards and even compared him in the same breath to someone of the stature of Finito. The fact is, Edwards can only dream of having a fraction of the career of Arce, let alone Finito, by the time he retires.
Second, its even more hilarious how you love moving the goal post for either every fighter I mention, or every fighter you mention. One second its, "oh hes more popular internationally....then the next is, its about accolades, then its about "well they were only popular because they beat a fighter more popular than them". Lol true dunce if ive ever seen one.
BUT THE FUNNIEST PART OF ALL IS, you like to talk about being "international" yet literally almost all the bums you named are DOMESTIC level stars... while all the ones I mentioned made their career in a different country that they were born in, all the articles written about them calling them All Time Greats are from countries not named Mexico or based in Mexico.
But all this anger and jealousy you have of Mexican and American fighters (who clearly are more dominant than UK fighters) isnt at all surprising with a male that walk around with a female name , Sydney :haha:
Funny when people use the population scapegoat argument, but not unexpected coming from a pea brain like you. I didn't answer your question because the list you presented was LAUGHABLE and embarrassing........literally almost all those you mentioned are DOMESTIC UK legends, irrelevant on the world stage though. But i'll play into your game my little jealous brit.
Erik Morales (no explanation needed)
Salvador Sanchez (career cut short at 23 years old yet still had 3 HOF under his belt while they were IN PRIME, where in contrast, someone like Calzaghe had a long career with the same amount of HOF-ers but NONE were in prime)
JCC (no explanation needed)
Marco Antonio Barrera (no explanation needed but we will never forget how he basically retired the top UK bum at the time)
Juan Manuel Marquez (no explanation needed)
Ruben Olivares (regarded as one of the greatest bantamweights of all time)
Carlos Zarate (also regarded as one of the greatest bantamweights of all time)
Alberto Arizmendi (holds 2 wins over an all time legend of the sport in Henry Armstrong)
Vincente Saldivar (had a trilogy with your fellow UK bum Howard Winstone and went 3-0 against him...Winstone wasn't able to become a legit World Champion until AFTER Saldivar retired)
Jorge Arce (fan favorite due to his fan-friendly style, 4 division world champion)
Have you decided to run again and refuse to debate your claims and back them up? But you want to put me in my place don't you? What are you waiting for? I'm here.
Start by telling me which world level fighters the international legend Jorge Arce beat, and i'll tell you about the fighters in my list who are irrelevant on the international stage/world level and nothing but bums like Welsh, Wilde, Fitzsimmons, "Kid" Lewis, Benn, Eubank, Naz, McLarnin etc etc...
Then tell me about Saldivar and his international legendary status. Of course eliminating Winstone because he's nothing but a bum as you say. But the rest of his "ATG" victories.
And so on and so on...
I'm British and I will tell you this
You're responding to a complete ******. Sid Knee is one of the most handicapped posters on this site. This guy started crying and criticising Ali and Frazier just because he couldn't accept criticism of Lewis.
Don't waste your time responding to that mentally deranged imbecile
When did i criticise Frazier and Ali due to someone criticising Lewis? Show me? I've claimed Frazier nor Ali are great, but not because someone criticised Lewis.
What else makes me "Handicapped"???
You read this weirdo's nonsense by calling legit greats "UK domestic Legends" and not world level greats? He thinks Lewis is the only one. That's handicapped. So are you too for thinking that's alright.
Funny when people use the population scapegoat argument, but not unexpected coming from a pea brain like you. I didn't answer your question because the list you presented was LAUGHABLE and embarrassing........literally almost all those you mentioned are DOMESTIC UK legends, irrelevant on the world stage though. But i'll play into your game my little jealous brit.
Erik Morales (no explanation needed)
Salavador Sanchez (career cut short at 23 years old yet still had 3 HOF under his belt while they were IN PRIME, where in contrast, someone like Calzaghe had a long career with the same amount of HOF-ers but NONE were in prime)
JCC (no explanation needed)
Marco Antonio Barrera (no explanation needed but we will never forget how he basically retired the top UK bum at the time)
Juan Manuel Marquez (no explanation needed)
Ruben Olivares (regarded as one of the greatest bantamweights of all time)
Carlos Zarate (also regarded as one of the greatest bantamweights of all time)
Alberto Arizmendi (holds 2 wins over an all time legend of the sport in Henry Armstrong)
Vincente Saldivar (had a trilogy with your fellow UK bum Howard Winstone and went 3-0 against him...Winstone wasn't able to become a legit World Champion until AFTER Saldivar retired)
Jorge Arce (fan favorite due to his fan-friendly style, 4 division world champion)
Hahahahahahahahahaha.
I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart. No, sincerely. This is even worse than i thought. But i'm glad you wrote it down. Now for some real fun.
Olivares? Arce? Zarate? These fighters aren't even very good. Arce is a bum. Who cares about winning titles if they're against garbage? List the world class wins for any of these 3. Please. Then tell me how they're "International legends" when nobody knows them? Why would they? It's like saying our Duke McKenzie is an international legend through winning world titles at 3 different weights. He beat 3 world level fighters and that's it. Haha. You complete clown. I listed bona fide greats. But you say they were "Domestic UK legends" Hahahahaha. If listing these 3 alone doesn't tell you how garbage your history is, then you'll be laughed at for the rest of your life in the way you should be laughed at. I was waiting for you to list that other Mexican bum in Ricardo Lopez. You know, the bum who when he did finally meet a world level fighter, he was beaten twice? But he got ripped off with a draw and a loss. So like that other fraud in Canelo when against Golovkin. Olivares is known for the 3 fights with Chacon. A good fighter, but nothing more. Olivares and Zarate are grotesquely overrated. They don't belong in the HOF. Most Americans and Mexicans don't. There is some absolute garbage in there. You have 5 fighters who are legit, and that's it.
Arizmendi did beat Armstrong twice, but what else did he do? Nobody internationally knows him. But please explain how they do? Turpin beat a prime Robinson and was known around the world for a bit until depression took over. But i didn't list him. Why would i when we've got plenty of ATG's who were actually international legends? Robinson was also the biggest star in the sport at that point. Also one of the biggest in sports full stop.
Marquez isn't known. Only the Pacquiao fights were. And that was due to Pacquiao. Even Mexicans didn't care all that much about him. Outside of those fights, Marquez ducked like crazy all the top end of the top 10 in whatever weight he was at and fought the ropey fighters who were nothing but brawlers. When he did fight them like Norwood, John, and Bradley, he lost. He was even mandatory for Naz for the WBO for 2 years. But due to ducking the fight for so long, they got sick and tired of him so stripped him of the position. Outside of the Pacquiao fights, his resume stinks. Marquez was even losing to a shot Casamayor until he stopped him late. Shot fighters and garbage is all he had. But the style match-up suited him against Pac. Also go and listen to Marquez, Barrera and Morales talk in their interviews after their fights when asked about Naz from 96 onwards. They didn't want to know. Only when Barrera could see Naz was on the wane did he decide to take the fight years later.
Barrera and Morales only became known around the world because of Naz being such a star at Feather weight. Even in the US with Mexicans and Mexican Americans being able to get to Vegas there was only a small crowd to watch. Their rematch could only sell 300,000 on PPV. So they weren't even big stars in the US let alone the rest of the world. No other fighter at the smaller weights had international status like Naz had, other than Jimi Wilde. Fighters like Pacquiao became bigger by moving up the weights.
I didn't use the per capita you moron. Do you even know how to read? I said you should be able to list 10 fighters (Horribly failed) with over twice our numbers. This is a like for like basis. I don't even need to use per capita. Why would i when your history is this laughable? you named Arce you fool. A complete ham and egger who never beat anyone world class. But i can't wait for you to try and list them. So the only pea brain here is you my friend.
Jealous of a 5th world moron who lists Arce, Zarate and Olivares who are not in any way great or international legends? Yeah, i'm dead jealous. When i'm finished having you make an even bigger tit of yourself, i'll tell you about my lists achievements. It's easy to do considering they're real greats and have the resumes to back it up with. I've got fighters who i didn't even list like Jack "Kid" Berg who has 4 ATG wins over Kid Chocolate and Tony Canzoneri. That doesn't even include all his other world class wins, yet he's already proven himself a great with just those 4 wins. Or Freddie welsh with wins over the likes of Bennie Leonard. Carl Froch, Joe calzaghe, Benny Lynch etc etc... The list goes on.
I'll give you a little sneak peak though...
Fitzsimmons was the first 3 weight world champion in history. He's the only fighter to have been lineal Middle weight champ to go on and become lineal Heavy weight champ. At Middle he beat Jack Dempsey's idol in Jack "The Nonpareil" Dempsey. It wasn't Heavy weight Jack Dempsey's real name. In the greatest single victory in history, Bob beat James J Corbett. However, there was another claiming to be Heavy weight champion in Peter Maher, but Bob knocked him out to become undisputed Heavy weight champion. He left no questions to who was the best. Bob weighed in at 165 LBS to do so. Never before nor since has this been done. Nor will it ever be done again. At 40 years of age, Fitzsimmons would go on to become Light heavy Weight champion of the world and become the first in history to become a 3 weight champion.
Jimi Wilde is the greatest Flyweight in history. It's quite well known too. Well, if you weren't so hideously uneducated. But where would the fun be without clowns like you making such a fool out of themselves?
Ted "Kid" Lewis, alongside Robinson, Britton and one other in my list, in McLarnin, have the greatest Welter weight resumes in history.
We'll get to the rest when you've made me laugh some more with your explanations to this f3cking hideous list. Twice our size and this is what you've come up with. I told you your history doesn't touch ours. It never has, or ever will.
I'm British and I will tell you this
You're responding to a complete ******. Sid Knee is one of the most handicapped posters on this site. This guy started crying and criticising Ali and Frazier just because he couldn't accept criticism of Lewis.
Don't waste your time responding to that mentally deranged imbecile
:lol1::lol1::lol1::lol1::lol1::lol1::lol1::beerchug:
Funny when people use the population scapegoat argument, but not unexpected coming from a pea brain like you. I didn't answer your question because the list you presented was LAUGHABLE and embarrassing........literally almost all those you mentioned are DOMESTIC UK legends, irrelevant on the world stage though. But i'll play into your game my little jealous brit.
Erik Morales (no explanation needed)
Salavador Sanchez (career cut short at 23 years old yet still had 3 HOF under his belt while they were IN PRIME, where in contrast, someone like Calzaghe had a long career with the same amount of HOF-ers but NONE were in prime)
JCC (no explanation needed)
Marco Antonio Barrera (no explanation needed but we will never forget how he basically retired the top UK bum at the time)
Juan Manuel Marquez (no explanation needed)
Ruben Olivares (regarded as one of the greatest bantamweights of all time)
Carlos Zarate (also regarded as one of the greatest bantamweights of all time)
Alberto Arizmendi (holds 2 wins over an all time legend of the sport in Henry Armstrong)
Vincente Saldivar (had a trilogy with your fellow UK bum Howard Winstone and went 3-0 against him...Winstone wasn't able to become a legit World Champion until AFTER Saldivar retired)
Jorge Arce (fan favorite due to his fan-friendly style, 4 division world champion)
I'm British and I will tell you this
You're responding to a complete retard. Sid Knee is one of the most handicapped posters on this site. This guy started crying and criticising Ali and Frazier just because he couldn't accept criticism of Lewis.
Don't waste your time responding to that mentally deranged imbecile
You said international legends. But when i asked you to give me these Mexican born and raised international legends, you ran away again. You're deflecting again now by saying nothing but the usual nonsense little man.
Those born and raised in the US, are American. If you claim it doesn't matter where you're born due to ethnicity, then they're all Spanish. You know, from Spain? Actual indigenous Mexicans can't fight for shlt. You should have a look on YouTube and see how bad they are. No wonder it only took a few Spaniards to control the country and dominate.
Mexico has twice our numbers, but you're too scared to give me 10 fighters who are international legends like i gave you. So get to it little man and stop the deflecting like a coward. However, when you've given me 10 actual Mexicans, you can give me 10 Mexican Americans as well. I want to laugh as much as possible. Make it happen.
You mean a Mexican drug cheat, a weight cheat, someone who lost his last fight but got a robbery, and hasn't beaten anyone worth a damn even though he was hyped as this killer, got stopped by an unskilled bum who won't be with us for very long due to being laughably shlt? Oh right.
Now get to answering the question and don't run again.
Funny when people use the population scapegoat argument, but not unexpected coming from a pea brain like you. I didn't answer your question because the list you presented was LAUGHABLE and embarrassing........literally almost all those you mentioned are DOMESTIC UK legends, irrelevant on the world stage though. But i'll play into your game my little jealous brit.
Erik Morales (no explanation needed)
Salvador Sanchez (career cut short at 23 years old yet still had 3 HOF under his belt while they were IN PRIME, where in contrast, someone like Calzaghe had a long career with the same amount of HOF-ers but NONE were in prime)
JCC (no explanation needed)
Marco Antonio Barrera (no explanation needed but we will never forget how he basically retired the top UK bum at the time)
Juan Manuel Marquez (no explanation needed)
Ruben Olivares (regarded as one of the greatest bantamweights of all time)
Carlos Zarate (also regarded as one of the greatest bantamweights of all time)
Alberto Arizmendi (holds 2 wins over an all time legend of the sport in Henry Armstrong)
Vincente Saldivar (had a trilogy with your fellow UK bum Howard Winstone and went 3-0 against him...Winstone wasn't able to become a legit World Champion until AFTER Saldivar retired)
Jorge Arce (fan favorite due to his fan-friendly style, 4 division world champion)
Well well well look what we have here.....the delusional brit that thinks they actually create boxing legends. When did we ever argue about international stars? If I remember correctly we were discussing who has more LEGENDS in the sport.....and clearly that is Mexico, as well as Mexican Americans, since the UK only has ONE legit legend in Lennox.
And to answer your first questoin, nothing is wrong.....a Mexican got taken down by a Mexican American in an exciting fight, unlike all those domestic level UK bum fights bore fests.
You said international legends. But when i asked you to give me these Mexican born and raised international legends, you ran away again. You're deflecting again now by saying nothing but the usual nonsense little man.
Those born and raised in the US, are American. If you claim it doesn't matter where you're born due to ethnicity, then they're all Spanish. You know, from Spain? Actual indigenous Mexicans can't fight for shlt. You should have a look on YouTube and see how bad they are. No wonder it only took a few Spaniards to control the country and dominate.
Mexico has twice our numbers, but you're too scared to give me 10 fighters who are international legends like i gave you. So get to it little man and stop the deflecting like a coward. However, when you've given me 10 actual Mexicans, you can give me 10 Mexican Americans as well. I want to laugh as much as possible. Make it happen.
You mean a Mexican drug cheat, a weight cheat, someone who lost his last fight but got a robbery, and hasn't beaten anyone worth a damn even though he was hyped as this killer, got stopped by an unskilled bum who won't be with us for very long due to being laughably shlt? Oh right.
Now get to answering the question and don't run again.
I remember you rejoicing after some badly prepared low level British fighters were beaten by some Mexicans. What's wrong, you don't feel the need to celebrate when a Mexican bum gets taken down?
You ran away again as well after mouthing off after i asked you to back up your words. I still want to see you list these 10 supposed international stars from Mexico. I was looking forward to a good laugh. Please list them.
Well well well look what we have here.....the delusional brit that thinks they actually create boxing legends. When did we ever argue about international stars? If I remember correctly we were discussing who has more LEGENDS in the sport.....and clearly that is Mexico, as well as Mexican Americans, since the UK only has ONE legit legend in Lennox.
And to answer your first questoin, nothing is wrong.....a Mexican got taken down by a Mexican American in an exciting fight, unlike all those domestic level UK bum fights bore fests.
and brandon or any good fighter would KO inoue cold.
Based on what? I agree that Inoues resume is lacking for such a lofty rating but don't get carried away.
he should try fighting someone that’s not a bum first. Look at who’s he fighting next another bum. 2 trash fights in a row ever since signing with Bob arum
I thought Canelo fans understood mandatories now?
And his last opponent was ranked #5 in the division. I'm curious what you would consider "not a bum" if he's 8-0 against current or former champs, but hasn't fought anyone who's not a bum.
Nery has never been that good. He looked garbage in his previous fight, I think it was on a Charlo undercard.
he also misses weight more than Benavidez and Tank. Probably only fighting at 122 because he was undisciplined, probably didn’t fancy Inoue at 118 either.
Nery had barely beaten anyone useful but for some reason people thought he could beat a guy like Inoue, I think some people had a problem with the thought of a Japanese midget smoking a supposed Mexican warrior (drug cheat).
Had he fought Inoue, It would’ve looked like the Emmanuel Rodriguez fight. People said he was going to beat Inoue and ended up getting cleaned out in 2 rounds.
He's still young. Needs someone to teach him how to use his reach advantage and fight behind the jab.
Yeah, he actually made the fight easier in the very few moments he created a bit of distance and let his shots go from there, but it only lasted a few seconds at a time
Lol leave it to boxing fans to rejoice at a fighter getting stopped for people wanting said fighter to be matched up with one of their favorite fighters. Im glad Nery lost but for his indiscipline.
Inoue is still a hype job in my book until proven otherwise. He skipped over fighting Estrada, Rungvasai, and Cuadras......and his best win is a guy Rigo destroyed years ago.
I remember you rejoicing after some badly prepared low level British fighters were beaten by some Mexicans. What's wrong, you don't feel the need to celebrate when a Mexican bum gets taken down?
You ran away again as well after mouthing off after i asked you to back up your words. I still want to see you list these 10 supposed international stars from Mexico. I was looking forward to a good laugh. Please list them.
Lol leave it to boxing fans to rejoice at a fighter getting stopped for people wanting said fighter to be matched up with one of their favorite fighters. Im glad Nery lost but for his indiscipline.
Inoue is still a hype job in my book until proven otherwise. He skipped over fighting Estrada, Rungvasai, and Cuadras......and his best win is a guy Rigo destroyed years ago.