Been doing some research into WBO rules,& why Ortiz was upgraded to #1 rank despite Porter not getting his mando shot.
Well it turns out that because Bud is the "Super" champ wheras Andrade is the world champ.
Wbo rules allow Bud to avoid mandos where as world champs like Andrade cannot as easily.(This & only this is responsible for Porter not being able to just force the fight,& this is why no mandatory has been ordered which in turn means Porter cannot file a form to go to purse bid (he has to be declared mando 1st for that) & this is why Andrade had back to back Mando ordered but Bud has going on 2 yrs not & still has not. )
Furthermore it turns out that the WBO made Ortiz v Hooker be for the WBO international title which Was vacant. That & only that was responsible for Ortiz getting installed as #1 contender over Porter who was then automatically demoted.(& This is why no mando has still been ordered,Ortiz has to wait like Porter was)
The reason that Bud is allowed special privileges is because he was already unified champ at lower weights as per WBO rules he was made Super Champion. That means he is allowed sort of a WBO version of the franchise title in the sense he doesn't have same mando commitments.
I will be posting proof(Wbo Rules,Link to why Ortiz was upgraded etc.) in a few minutes to prove everything I said was correct & rumour's going around are not.
Damn!!! You killed the thread right here mate… You are cold!!! Am out ;) nothing to see here.
I knew even when faced with evidence clear as day you would insist you were right based on some dumb bs video(theres countless videos that contradict that)
It's obvious from that video that Porter knows Bud doesn't want it(Bud strategic ducking because Porters too high risk,low reward) & that he doesn't want to shame Bud too much because they know Bud gets to pretty much fight whomever he wants due to WBO,so the Porters don't want to burn bridges, especially with Bud whos a friend
I don't know about any ducking, but I'm just not sure what Bud has planned for next if it isn't Pacquiao. Time is ticking and if he is to fight twice this year, he needs to get a fight signed soon. Just thought it would be perfect for him to fight Porter and Spence to fight Ugas and then both (if they won their fights) to face off end of the year.
Here is a better explanation from someone who is far more of a boxing expert than you or I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGaZgOLYY0I
Damn!!! You killed the thread right here mate… You are cold!!! Am out ;) nothing to see here.
You want to quote a video? Quote this from Kenny:
The man that makes it happen for Shawn and the man who was in meetings with Arum regarding a Crawford fight....Said all of a sudden things have gone quiet and we have not heard anything back from Team Crawford.
It's obvious from that video that Porter knows Bud doesn't want it(Bud strategic ducking because Porters too high risk,low reward) & that he doesn't want to shame Bud too much because they know Bud gets to pretty much fight whomever he wants due to WBO,so the Porters don't want to burn bridges, especially with Bud whos a friend
What is false about quoting a video?
You want to quote a video? Quote this from Kenny:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAS9rxJC19o
The man that makes it happen for Shawn and the man who was in meetings with Arum regarding a Crawford fight....Said all of a sudden things have gone quiet and we have not heard anything back from Team Crawford.
A lot of it is Politics and BS! Look up Trout Lawsuit against the WBO because Ironically enough the WBO Bypassed him as well for a Shot at the WBO 154 Belt
So the history is their on top of just Bad History between Haymon and the WBO causing PBC not to even acknowledge the WBO while the WBO for a stretch wasn't acknowledging PBC Fighters or even rankings them. WBO President wanted Haymon to be investigated by Attorney General of the United States I mean if that is not personal then I don't know WTF is:
https://www.boxingscene.com/wbo-prez...igation--90711
So I'm not blaming any of the Fighters in this situation because of WBO History! Just Politics and BS which goes on A LOT in boxing. Also too Porter not wanting just 1+ Million to fight Crawford is every understandable when he makes that fighting guys like Formella. Arum just don't care for this fight, he never did, he always made it clear he only cares about the Spence fight for Crawford when it comes to PBC Fighters. So I think Arum has other plans for Bud which is probably winner of Ramirez vs Taylor next week which is not bad and for Arum it is much easier to make and he probably won't have to pay much to get it done either
Great points,thats what I've been saying,that The WBO is corrupt & in bed with Arum,so they have rules like these in their bylaws which then facilitate Bud fighting whoever he wants without having to fight Porter.(Ortiz has now automatically put himself in position to become next mandatory unless he fights for a full belt in another org,which we know he won't. )
A lot of it is Politics and BS! Look up Trout Lawsuit against the WBO because Ironically enough the WBO Bypassed him as well for a Shot at the WBO 154 Belt
So the history is their on top of just Bad History between Haymon and the WBO causing PBC not to even acknowledge the WBO while the WBO for a stretch wasn't acknowledging PBC Fighters or even rankings them. WBO President wanted Haymon to be investigated by Attorney General of the United States I mean if that is not personal then I don't know WTF is:
https://www.boxingscene.com/wbo-prez...igation--90711
So I'm not blaming any of the Fighters in this situation because of WBO History! Just Politics and BS which goes on A LOT in boxing. Also too Porter not wanting just 1+ Million to fight Crawford is every understandable when he makes that fighting guys like Formella. Arum just don't care for this fight, he never did, he always made it clear he only cares about the Spence fight for Crawford when it comes to PBC Fighters. So I think Arum has other plans for Bud which is probably winner of Ramirez vs Taylor next week which is not bad and for Arum it is much easier to make and he probably won't have to pay much to get it done either
What is false about quoting a video?
I'm not referring to the video, I'm referring to your saying that what I posted isn't true,this thread is because ShaneMoselySr has been spreading false disinformation claims against Porter & PBC & deflecting off Bud. Hes been saying Porter could file a form & automatically be sent to purse bid,& that Ortiz getting upgraded to #1 was supposedly because Porter didn't want the fight,& or didn't file that form. The WBO rules as I've been saying, make it clear that Bud doesn't have normal mando commitments because he's been designated Super champ,& Ortiz was only updated to #1 because he now has WBO international belt. NOT because of Porter in any way
Read the WBO rules I just posted,& read the link to WBO article about WBO international championship,then stop spreading false information
What is false about quoting a video?
The proof is in the line where Shawn admits that "his team" didn't want the fight to happen. Who is his team? We all know who it is. Shawn says that HIS TEAM decided to wait it out for business reasons. He could have forced it to go to a purse bid but decided to sit back.
Read the WBO rules I just posted,& read the link to WBO article about WBO international championship,then stop spreading false information
I don't need to see your link,I just posted proof,its the actual WBO rules
The proof is in the line where Shawn admits that "his team" didn't want the fight to happen. Who is his team? We all know who it is. Shawn says that HIS TEAM decided to wait it out for business reasons. He could have forced it to go to a purse bid but decided to sit back.
Here is a better explanation from someone who is far more of a boxing expert than you or I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGaZgOLYY0I
I don't need to see your link,I just posted proof,its the actual WBO rules
SECTION 14. SUPER CHAMPIONS (a) It is the policy of the World Boxing Organization to encourage its Champions to pursue recognized status as undisputed World Champions and to unify the Championships of the four major world sanctioning organizations (the WBO, WBA, WBC and IBF). A World Champion who has achieved preeminent status may require and be entitled to additional scheduling flexibility to achieve his place in boxing history and for the good of the sport. A boxer may be considered for designation for Super Champion status when he meets the following criteria: (1) The boxer presently or previously has or had a multiple bout contract with a major television network (HBO, SHOWTIME, ZBF, Sky or other similar broadcast company), for multiple years; and (2) As a WBO Champion, (A) The boxer has successfully defended his title cumulatively a minimum of ten (10) title bouts, or; (B) In the event of less than ten (10) successful defenses has defended his/her title against opponents of high recognition and high skills; and (C) Has substantially met the other standards set forth herein. (3) The boxer’s amateur history will be considered; and (4) The quality of prospective Super Champion’s record including the quality of his opponents and their records will be considered. (5) Additionally, the following factors will be considered in determining Super Champion designation: (A) If the prospective Super Champions has been a WBO World Champion in more than one (1) weight division; or (B) If the Prospective Super Champion has held more than one (1) Championship of the four major world sanctioning organizations; or (C) If the prospective Super Champion has unified the Championships of more than one (1) of the four (4) major world sanctioning bodies (b) Current champion status is not required to qualify or continue as a Super Champion. WBO Regulations of World Championship Contests Page 16 of 35 130828 (c) The Championship Committee may recommend Super Champion status for the boxer to the Executive Committee, if a boxer has substantially complied with the conditions set forth herein. Super Champion status shall be determined by the vote of the Executive Committee. (d) PRIVILEGES AFFORDED SUPER CHAMPIONS. Those fighters recommended by the Championship Committee and approved by the Executive Committee qualify for the following rights and privileges: (1) EXTENSION OF MANDATORY TITLE DEFENSE. The Championship Committee may extend a Super Champion’s mandatory title defense for good cause shown one or more times beyond the time provided for in the WBO Regulations for World Championship Contests for the purpose of giving a Super Champion opportunity or opportunities to unify the titles of more than one major sanctioning body either in a unification bout or a unification tournament, or any other important match or matches that the Committee determines would contribute to the Super Champion’s legacy or would be of great interest to boxing fans. (2) ELIGIBILITY TO BE CONSIDERED FOR DESIGNATION AS THE MANDATORY CHALLENGER IN HIGHER OR LOWER DIVISION. If requested by a Super Champion, the Championship Committee may designate the Super Champion as the mandatory challenger for the immediate higher or lower division. (3) ELIGIBILITY TO BE CONSIDERED FOR DESIGNATION AS THE MANDATORY CHALLENGER IN SAME DIVISION. If requested by a Super Champion who has lost his title and who wishes to fight for the title again, the Championship Committee may designate the Super Champion as the mandatory challenger in the Super Champion’s division. (4) An Honorary member of the WBO for life (e) PURSE BID (1) In case of a purse bid involving a contest between contestants one or more of whom are WBO Super Champions, or a contest between a current WBO Champion and another current WBO Champion or a contest between a WBO Champion and a WBO Interim Champion, or a contest between two WBO Interim Champions, the following rules shall be applied in conjunction with the purse bid rules contained in the WBO Regulations
ShaneMosleySr ray heres your proof,@ShaneMosleySr you were spreading false information about Porter ducking
ShoulderRoll revelated heres your proof we were right to question the Top Rank spin dr
Porter could have taken it to a purse bid, but Al Haymon refused to. Shawn even admitted this, why can't you.
You are wrong,I just explained proof why. Why can't you realize you don't have a clue