Sorry if the thread title don't make sense but I'll try to explain.
So obviously there are a lot of great fights between 2 p4p rated fighters, and while there are catchweights, sometimes a p4p fighter will be moving up in weight for the first time to move up to fight another p4p. I just watched Salvador sanchez vs wilfredo gomez and what a classic fight. And while Gomez would later still defend his superbantam belt and would later become featherweight and lineal super featherweight world champ, he still had to climb up 1 weight class that he never fought at to fight Sanchez.
Chavez did the same for whitaker (and there was a catchweight), Azumah also had to climb up to fight Whitaker, Mugabi and Duran climbed 1 up to fight Hagler.
most people don't really mention Hagler beating Duran as a great win because Duran was naturally smaller and never fought at middleweight, despite Duran later winning a middleweight title six years later. I enjoy watching all of the fights I mentioned, but sometimes I wonder if they would've been better had these boxers were the same size.
idk im just rambling. dunno if anybody else thought the same.
6 month is so fast? He didn't look as ripped as usual against Kovalev either he had a bit of fat.
the narrative is now that Canelo is a natural LWH :lol1::lol1::lol1:
So was ggg. All these dudes fight 1-2 weight classes below. Maybe except
Mikey G.
Floyd
Pac
You need me to provide a same day weight list link 2 u???
First tell me who your favorite active boxer is so I can clown u back....
Golovkin has only fought at MW. Canelo has been able to go up to LHW and still look pretty ripped. Why? Because it's his natural weight.
Canelo fought GGG right after JCC Jr....lol???
People (retards like yourself) blame Canelo for "ducking" because the fight didn't happen after Canelo beat Cotto at 155. Canelo tried fighting GGG at 155 but GGG refused because he wanted 160...but you agree Middleweight is 155-160...so why didn't GGG fight Canelo at 155?
Look how dumb this boy is
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GGG is a career MW and is both taller and longer with a larger frame.
Do you understand, boy?
Yes. Four months apart.
Agree, thats why I wasn't a fan of ggg fighting canelo, he should have fought Andre ward. Kovalev I would have given credit if he'd beat war since ward had a few tuneup fights t light heavy.
Way back when Canelo was fighting on HBO, they mentioned that he walked around at 175lbs+. He may be rather short, but he's not very small.
So Canelo didn't fight at Super Middle before the GGG fight? The fight against Chavez Jr. never happened?
and yes, Middleweight is 155-160. So Canelo should have grown some ****ing balls and not hid behind a catchweight for three ****ing years. ****ing phaggot.
Canelo fought GGG right after JCC Jr....lol???
People (retards like yourself) blame Canelo for "ducking" because the fight didn't happen after Canelo beat Cotto at 155. Canelo tried fighting GGG at 155 but GGG refused because he wanted 160...but you agree Middleweight is 155-160...so why didn't GGG fight Canelo at 155?
That's not what I was saying, I was correcting him when he said Canelo moved up to fight Golovkin, which is untrue. But since you bring it up, yes Canelo was bigger than GGG when they fought.
Look how dumb this boy is
Canelo was bigger than GGG when they fought.
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GGG is a career MW and is both taller and longer with a larger frame.
Do you understand, boy?
Canelo has always been smaller than GGG. No question about that, IMO. It's his skills that carried him so far, not his size. That said, his competition hasn't been top notch either, as he climbed the ladder. I regard Lara as his best win, in a fight that could've gone either way.
I was ROBBED!!! Just ask Dummy Rex! He scored it 122 - 106 for GGG
GGG looks truly beat up here. Is this Canelo 2 postfight? Talking about the one that has the Tecate girls behind.
If it is untrue Canelo "moved up" then whu did GGG refuse to fight him at 155 ? Which is Middleweight according to you...and if Middleweight isnt 155 then Canelo moved up.
Shadoww702
Dumb fuck
So Canelo didn't fight at Super Middle before the GGG fight? The fight against Chavez Jr. never happened?
and yes, Middleweight is 155-160. So Canelo should have grown some fucking balls and not hid behind a catchweight for three fucking years. fucking phaggot.
It depends on the fighter moving up. If he was draining himself to make smaller weights and is typically considered large for his weight class, then yes, credit is due to the victor. If a small fighter moves up to take on bigger challenges then it's difficult to give full credit to the winner. JMM going up two weight classes to face Floyd was a bridge too far. Mikey going up to 147 to fight Spence wasn't as bad as many fans think since Mikey walks around at 165 lbs. Despite his height, he was still a big LW who struggled to make 135.
That's not what I was saying, I was correcting him when he said Canelo moved up to fight Golovkin, which is untrue. But since you bring it up, yes Canelo was bigger than GGG when they fought.
If it is untrue Canelo "moved up" then whu did GGG refuse to fight him at 155 ? Which is Middleweight according to you...and if Middleweight isnt 155 then Canelo moved up.
Shadoww702
Dumb fuck
Totally depends on the situation. Crawford, for instance, didn't move up at all from 135 to 147. Crawford was already in the ring in the mid 150's. Same for Canelo finally "moving up" to middleweight when he was already in the ring in the mid 170's while fighting at 154.
Young fighters can dehydrate an incredible amount for fights. Not being a weight bully anymore is hardly reason for accolades.
Kids this is why you dont do drugs. It messes with your mind long after the fact.
Anyhow, yes fighting a guy above or beneath receives less credit.
Such was the case for Spence beating Mikey Garcia as well as Ward beating Chad Dawson. Both decent wins but both were very circumstantial. At least Ward hurt and stopped his opponent. Spence was two divisions larger and didnt stop, KD, or even hurt the much smaller Mikey Garcia. Pretty disappointing
What you trying to say?? Canelo was bigger than GGG?? I'm sure you saw the same woth Canelo vs. Smith. They same size as well.
That's not what I was saying, I was correcting him when he said Canelo moved up to fight Golovkin, which is untrue. But since you bring it up, yes Canelo was bigger than GGG when they fought.
Yes if a fighter is genuinely a weight class lower than his fighter and they are both on the same scale of ability then yes 100%.....very few fighters have done that in the history of boxing.
Greb
Robinson
leonard
duran
Pacquaio
mayweather
holyfield
arguello
benitez etc
Guys who move up in weight should get more credit. He's usually fighting the bigger guy.
yes but also big guys who cut down are taking a lot of risk. So either direction the guy changing divisions is taking the risk but the reward is bigger because if he wins he can say he beat the other guy on their turf and if they hold a belt take that while keeping his original.
That is all just legacy stuff though, financially they prob dont get rewarded much and are usually the lesser draw which is why they were put in that position having to move divisions.
There are a lot of factors so it depends. One is if the guy at the higher weight is a "natural" aka always been there or also moved up recently themselves
Another way I view it, especially when both are lineal at their weights, then one guy is taking more risk moving up but also getting more opportunity.
Rarely they will move down like dawson for ward. Hatton vs floyd moved up. In those cases the guys that lost had it harder but it was the opportunity to be lineal in two divisions. If Hatton or Dawson won, for taking that extra risk of moving weight then they would have been lineal in their second division. It didnt pan out so the guy that stayed at their weight and defended, it only got credit as a defense, not lineal in another division. Floyd should have just moved down because he would have been lineal at 140. Ward eventually became lineal at 175 via 5 punch combination to Kovalev's balls and a ref that played along.
Depending on if the person moving up has acclimatise to the new weight class. So if the person moving up had 3/4 fights at the new weight, was already kinda struggling at the lower weight or has achieved all he or she can at the lower weight, then I would give the other person that beat them full credit.