Could Prime Roy Jones Jr beat Marvin Hagler fighting TOE to TOE?

Both Hopkins and Toney, who very good middleweight were easy outclassed by Roy Jones. These two were even better boxers than Hagler was. Hager's problem is wasn't always aggressive enough, and had issues with speedy fighters. Jones's never rested on the ropes and his chin was never an issue at middle weight. Jones would outclassed him too, with his Sugar Ray Leonard hand speed and top end power. I would be pulling for Hagler, who sure could win, but likely wouldn't

Hagler wasn't a hard puncher, he was tough, but not a very hard puncher. Roy was quicker and probably somewhat a harder puncher @ 160. One might say Hagler opponents took better shots than RJJ's.

Hagler wasn't a hard puncher, he was tough, but not a very hard puncher. Roy was quicker and probably somewhat a harder puncher @ 160.

T2T isn't RJJ thing. Hagler would wear him down T2T. Force RJJ to reconsider.

Roy might not hit harder than Hearns... Although I think he does... Nevertheless, Roy's reflexes and speed would provide him the opportunity to land more power shots... although Hearns was landing HUGE shots on Hagler to no avail... I could see Roy landing a quick lead left hook, and then following through with a barrage of power punches. Roy's ability to throw HUGE combinations with power is unmatched in boxing history... Remember the fight that fight of Roy's at 154 where he subjected his opponent to a wood-chipper of uppercuts before the ref ended it? I could see the sheer activity of Roy overwhelming and opening up Hagler to some truly brutal power punches. I think Roy would be more composed than Hearns as Hagler tries to walk him down. When Roy responds with aggression it's pretty much the most dynamic thing anyone has ever seen in the boxing ring. Of course, there is the risk of Roy simply tiring himself out if Hagler is able to absorb everything Roy throws. However, my contention is that Roy was NEVER challenged to the point where he needed to maintain 100% aggression each and ever round. Roy had blazing hand speed, but the flurries he threw weren't at full power. Yes, they could frustrate Hagler and maybe keep him from hitting his stride, but I think Hagler weathers that storm and as the fight moves into the later rounds he gets the better of the exchanges. There is also the question of how Roy's chin or temple is going to hold up. I would agree that when Roy was at his prime, I don't think there was an opponent who ever brought the best out of him where he needed to dig deep. He used what he needed to win, but never fully floored the gas pedal while in his prime, unless you count the Pazienza or Brannon fights.

Roy might not hit harder than Hearns... Although I think he does... Nevertheless, Roy's reflexes and speed would provide him the opportunity to land more power shots... although Hearns was landing HUGE shots on Hagler to no avail... I could see Roy landing a quick lead left hook, and then following through with a barrage of power punches. Roy's ability to throw HUGE combinations with power is unmatched in boxing history... Remember the fight that fight of Roy's at 154 where he subjected his opponent to a wood-chipper of uppercuts before the ref ended it? I could see the sheer activity of Roy overwhelming and opening up Hagler to some truly brutal power punches. I think Roy would be more composed than Hearns as Hagler tries to walk him down. When Roy responds with aggression it's pretty much the most dynamic thing anyone has ever seen in the boxing ring. Of course, there is the risk of Roy simply tiring himself out if Hagler is able to absorb everything Roy throws. However, my contention is that Roy was NEVER challenged to the point where he needed to maintain 100% aggression each and ever round. But Darius... Your talking apples to oranges here. Hearns had reach, and perhaps one of the best jabs ever. Different dynamic. Roy had speed as his primary attribute. You cannot assume one is equivalent to the other.

Roy might not hit harder than Hearns... Although I think he does... Nevertheless, Roy's reflexes and speed would provide him the opportunity to land more power shots... although Hearns was landing HUGE shots on Hagler to no avail... I could see Roy landing a quick lead left hook, and then following through with a barrage of power punches. Roy's ability to throw HUGE combinations with power is unmatched in boxing history... Remember the fight that fight of Roy's at 154 where he subjected his opponent to a wood-chipper of uppercuts before the ref ended it? I could see the sheer activity of Roy overwhelming and opening up Hagler to some truly brutal power punches. I think Roy would be more composed than Hearns as Hagler tries to walk him down. When Roy responds with aggression it's pretty much the most dynamic thing anyone has ever seen in the boxing ring. Of course, there is the risk of Roy simply tiring himself out if Hagler is able to absorb everything Roy throws. However, my contention is that Roy was NEVER challenged to the point where he needed to maintain 100% aggression each and ever round. You have an unbalanced equation... As if Hagler is a passive bum who could endure and MAYBE eventually take enough that Roy did it to himself... It just does not work that way. Fighters like Lamotta and Hagler are intelligent and have a method when pursuing... Methods to deal with speed, and to deal with taking shots, etc. At Hagler's weight there is no reason to assume Roy is a shoo in. AS a matter of fact, at middle weight I think Hagler wins this. Roy needed his opponent to respect his speed, to let him fight in the middle of the ring as much as possible, and Roy did not like relentless aggression. We can excuse Roy's later losses to a degree but we have to also look at how Tarver was succesful (he went straight at Roy while roy was against the ropes) and Glencoff Johnson, who relentlessly pursued Jones. Hagler was world class and could do both of these things very well...

No. He would eventually get caught on the chin or get pinned to the ropes. Either way, if he chose to make it an inside fight or stand toe to toe with Hagler he loses. I don't see Roy hitting any harder than Hearns. Roy might not hit harder than Hearns... Although I think he does... Nevertheless, Roy's reflexes and speed would provide him the opportunity to land more power shots... although Hearns was landing HUGE shots on Hagler to no avail... I could see Roy landing a quick lead left hook, and then following through with a barrage of power punches. Roy's ability to throw HUGE combinations with power is unmatched in boxing history... Remember the fight that fight of Roy's at 154 where he subjected his opponent to a wood-chipper of uppercuts before the ref ended it? I could see the sheer activity of Roy overwhelming and opening up Hagler to some truly brutal power punches. I think Roy would be more composed than Hearns as Hagler tries to walk him down. When Roy responds with aggression it's pretty much the most dynamic thing anyone has ever seen in the boxing ring. Of course, there is the risk of Roy simply tiring himself out if Hagler is able to absorb everything Roy throws. However, my contention is that Roy was NEVER challenged to the point where he needed to maintain 100% aggression each and ever round.

No. He would eventually get caught on the chin or get pinned to the ropes. Either way, if he chose to make it an inside fight or stand toe to toe with Hagler he loses. I don't see Roy hitting any harder than Hearns.

I don't think Roy @ 160 could beat prime Marvelous in a toe to toe battle.

That’s what I was thinking. Griffin II was the most motivated & aggressive Prime Roy. That guy on that night gives anyone pure hell in the ring. Roy had too much of everything that night plus aggression?! Hagler, an ATG, does not defeat THAT Roy.

It's a pretty invalid topic since he never fought that way, it really doesn't matter what methods you use to win fights. No one ever asks how you won just if. Roy - Griffin II.... Roy HIMSELF said in one of his post fight interviews that if he appeared too dangerous no one would ever fight him It's also not invalid because COULD fight toe to toe if he wanted to.