Furys already better than Tyson(whos great cause size alone) after AJ ko he'll be top 5 atg hw

Fury has 2 very impressive wins, but I'd like to see him defend his belt against a top contender 5-10 times as well before putting him up there. A lot of great champions lost to an underdog once they had to do that and it's a tough test of just how great you are. The next Rahman or Douglas or Andy Ruiz is just around the corner This is a valid point, and someone also mentioned that most of Fury's rise was against British competiton, as compared to Tyson, who never beat a fellow great, but had "thick" solid competition coming up to unify the titles. Marchigiano also made the point that Wilder is an unknown in so far as evaluating his greatness... Will he be considered a great opponent down the line? or more like a great puncher who was feared, but dealt with in the ring. Obviously evaluating Wilder affects how we see Fury. I interpret Kush King's challenge as asking "Is there a path for Fury to prove greatness?" I believe there is a path... Only time will tell

Prove me wrong(I also say he beats Lennox too) (Hate replies are welcome as long as you explain why u think im a punk,btch,hater,fanboi,etc) Tyson Fury already has done more than Tyson,& once he kos AJ he'll be top 5 ATG hw. Tysons greatest accomplishment is how small he was taking out much bigger men. Fury would beat prime Tyson too,& Lewis How about the FACT that Tyson Fury hasn't ever defended a belt? There you go, he hasn't done more than Mike Tyson. The only way that Fury becomes a consensus top 5 ATG is if he wins undisputed, defends to at least 5 consensus top 10 current heavyweights, builds a time machine and then goes back and beats the actual top 5 ATG; Ali, Johnson, Louis, Rocky and Holmes. That fantasy only exists in the heads of those who LOVE Fury over the sport itself.

You were calling Wilder an ATG KO artist before Fury knocked him out tho? You predicted him to comfortably KO Fury in both fights lol. Fury is already the greatest HW of this era, and will cement it after he knocks AJ out. However trolls will still try and claim that Fury is rubbish, that AJ was never any good, and that Fury needs to rematch Wilder, or fight Usyk & Hrgovic etc etc. Anyone who knows boxing knows how good Fury is, that's why all the professionals, other than shills like Bellew & Haye, predict Fury to win. The present lense is always one where a fighter is viewed under the worse of circumstances... People generally have no vision so when asked to use some foresight, some real prognostication, not the usual sensationalism, they become very defensive. Even someone like Houdini who should know better, and has good talent recognition falls down! its ok Denium... If we were to take a time machine to these boards and look at how Lewis was viewed, we would get the same bias we see regarding Fury... Most boxing pundits were sure Razor Ruddock would show that soft talking brit/Canadian/ Murican/Jamaican what time it was!! Even after Every opponent was going to expose Lewis. Fury is an old time fighter. Unlike most, he was trained to box, like it used to be done, from his boyhood. His body movement alone, IF it was accomplished using a body half his size, is way evolved past most fighters today. If one makes a list of all the things he can do in the ring, it far exceeds any heavyweight by leaps and bounds... I do think we have to see if Fury comes through in spades for the Joshua fight. If he is prepared, ready and if perhaps, Joshua also has developed some real talents from his experience that may make one rethink how great Fury is... But if Fury is as dominant, I see no reason why he should not be mentioned as a potentially ATG... At least discussed.

Prove me wrong(I also say he beats Lennox too) (Hate replies are welcome as long as you explain why u think im a punk,btch,hater,fanboi,etc) Tyson Fury already has done more than Tyson,& once he kos AJ he'll be top 5 ATG hw. Tysons greatest accomplishment is how small he was taking out much bigger men. Fury would beat prime Tyson too,& Lewis If Tyson does well this fight and shows himself a class above Joshua, an entirely possible outcome, I might consider him able to beat Lewis. It depends how things look a few years from now when we can see both men in a historical light. It would help if Fury, assuming he beats Joshua, has a few more tough fights... For example, I love Andre Ward because when I consider his reign, I look at when he cleaned out his division... that was "cake" lol... But when he then fought up and beat Kovalev, to me that was the "Icing!" If you catch my drift (sorry about mixing cake and snow metaphors! lol)

****, I'm stuck on Tyson let alone top 5 ATGs. Is this size admiration? If that's the case then why're folks crying about BW? You either do or do not believe after 200 pounds size is no longer a huge factor. Pick a lane, and stay there. If this is resume comparison, then, I'd say this is the converse or inverse of nostalgia. Fury's fought 3, this would be his fourth champion. Tyson beat 10. Fury has never been undisputed, Mike gathered the belts. Fury having never been undisputed has 0 defenses, Mike has 6 undisputed defenses. Fury's resume including Joshua would bring him to four former champions but one of them is a CW champion, one old, one unproven, and one decent. You can tell me you're guessing Wilder will have a better career than Bruno or Tubbs, but, that's yet to be seen. Wlad's a great name but not great enough to supplant Holmes. As far as old man beaten Holmes is the better olden. Joshua's a great x2 champion for our era. Spinks would have beat Pulev, Ruiz, Povetkin, Parker, Takam, and an old Wlad...not not actually a better x2 champion than Spinks was, and, Spinks didn't have to lose his undisputed LHW crown to become the lineal HW champion. Two things Joshua is not and wouldn't be if Tyson Fury beats him. As far as top 5 ATG: Dempsey is probably the smallest man that would put Tyson Fury flat on his ass. His ability to get inside, his power, and his speed are too much for what Tyson Fury has displayed. Jess Willard wasn't that bad so much as lived at a time when his speed disadvantage could be taken advantage of. Hell, for all the praise Wlad gets he sure does fight rather similarly to the unpraised Primo, who, like Willard, really wasn't a bad HW and would do well in a modern era but in his time had to overcome and failed to overcome the speed of smaller HWs. Joe Louis is possibly the most efficient boxer the division has ever seen. It'd be easy work for him to tire Fury out. Ezzard Charles is too fast for Tyson Fury. Ali is too fast for Fury. Joe Frazier has too much cardio for Fury. Larry Holmes' jab is superior to Fury's. Larry's the guy who, imo, makes Tyson Fury look his worst by taking away his only solid opener. Mike Tyson himself is too fast for Tyson Fury. Holyfield's too smart for Tyson Lennox is too talented and tough for Tyson TBH, I'm not even sure dude beat Spinks at HW. Cunningham dropped him and Cunningham is not slick, fast, or clever as Spinks. Chris Byrd's brilliant defense could very well be too much for Tyson Fury. Sam Peter was quite good at getting close and delivering power. Dereck Chisora is no Peter analog. Vitali Klistcko probably hits too hard for Tyson and isn't so worried about being hit. Finally, Rocky Marciano destroys the bum. Not even a hard fight for Marciano. Tyson's big and even when he's punching ala the Wilder II fight he's still incorporating and looking for boxing ques. Not even a long fight for Marciano as that feinting jab is all Rocky wants out of this bum. One, singular, no look phantom overhead, and that's it for Tyson. He's unprepared for a 100 pound smaller man with bone crushing power who wants you to box him to deliver said power. Top five? Maybe top twenty is more fair. 1st off I think your assessment is way off as far as who would beat Fury,but you are also conflating what I'm saying as meaning Fury would beat everyone besides 5 boxers all time(I'm not saying that) what I am saying is that Fury will have accomplished enough that it would be a top 5 all time heavyweight (who would be a test for anyone of any era,ali was tiny af compared to him, Foreman was slow but would be among the few I'd pick to beat Fury) He has technically unified hw by winning all 4 belts,& if he kos AJ as I expect he'll be completely unified Undefeated heavyweight champ that is miles above everyone & has no peers(& contrary to whats claimed,this era has very difficult fighters that can hang with other eras,because these hws are enormous & have the best conditioning & nutrition.

Fanboyism is a disease.

****, I'm stuck on Tyson let alone top 5 ATGs. Is this size admiration? If that's the case then why're folks crying about BW? You either do or do not believe after 200 pounds size is no longer a huge factor. Pick a lane, and stay there. If this is resume comparison, then, I'd say this is the converse or inverse of nostalgia. Fury's fought 3, this would be his fourth champion. Tyson beat 10. Fury has never been undisputed, Mike gathered the belts. Fury having never been undisputed has 0 defenses, Mike has 6 undisputed defenses. Fury's resume including Joshua would bring him to four former champions but one of them is a CW champion, one old, one unproven, and one decent. You can tell me you're guessing Wilder will have a better career than Bruno or Tubbs, but, that's yet to be seen. Wlad's a great name but not great enough to supplant Holmes. As far as old man beaten Holmes is the better olden. Joshua's a great x2 champion for our era. Spinks would have beat Pulev, Ruiz, Povetkin, Parker, Takam, and an old Wlad...not not actually a better x2 champion than Spinks was, and, Spinks didn't have to lose his undisputed LHW crown to become the lineal HW champion. Two things Joshua is not and wouldn't be if Tyson Fury beats him. As far as top 5 ATG: Dempsey is probably the smallest man that would put Tyson Fury flat on his ass. His ability to get inside, his power, and his speed are too much for what Tyson Fury has displayed. Jess Willard wasn't that bad so much as lived at a time when his speed disadvantage could be taken advantage of. Hell, for all the praise Wlad gets he sure does fight rather similarly to the unpraised Primo, who, like Willard, really wasn't a bad HW and would do well in a modern era but in his time had to overcome and failed to overcome the speed of smaller HWs. Joe Louis is possibly the most efficient boxer the division has ever seen. It'd be easy work for him to tire Fury out. Ezzard Charles is too fast for Tyson Fury. Ali is too fast for Fury. Joe Frazier has too much cardio for Fury. Larry Holmes' jab is superior to Fury's. Larry's the guy who, imo, makes Tyson Fury look his worst by taking away his only solid opener. Mike Tyson himself is too fast for Tyson Fury. Holyfield's too smart for Tyson Lennox is too talented and tough for Tyson TBH, I'm not even sure dude beat Spinks at HW. Cunningham dropped him and Cunningham is not slick, fast, or clever as Spinks. Chris Byrd's brilliant defense could very well be too much for Tyson Fury. Sam Peter was quite good at getting close and delivering power. Dereck Chisora is no Peter analog. Vitali Klistcko probably hits too hard for Tyson and isn't so worried about being hit. Finally, Rocky Marciano destroys the bum. Not even a hard fight for Marciano. Tyson's big and even when he's punching ala the Wilder II fight he's still incorporating and looking for boxing ques. Not even a long fight for Marciano as that feinting jab is all Rocky wants out of this bum. One, singular, no look phantom overhead, and that's it for Tyson. He's unprepared for a 100 pound smaller man with bone crushing power who wants you to box him to deliver said power. Top five? Maybe top twenty is more fair. Here's the thing Had Fury fans been on board with Wilder being a legit champ from the jump, then I can give them some leeway. But up to the 1st fight, they considered Wilder a 1 trick pony who's BEST WIN was of a 60 year old geezer. Now they consider him a ''long time reigning champ with the power to kill'' Talk about staying in lanes.

Fury's resume is the best in the division, if not all of boxing. https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-20-2021/Ax74Sz.gif

It pleases me that you didn't want to put Fury's resume into your own words. Fury's resume is the best in the division, if not all of boxing.

What doesn't make sense is how those that claim Fury's an ATG or on the verge of becoming an ATG also say that Wilder's a bum, the worst heavyweight champ in history etc etc. So who has Fury beat? A past prime Wlad and the worst heavyweight champ in history, this makes him close to becoming a top 5 ATG? Come on.

You're confusing gypsy's with skangers,theres an enormous difference. Billy Joe Saunders is a disgusting pos Pikey skanger,but Fury is the exact opposite in many ways(hes a decent person in real life, unlike Saunders.) Again, Fury isn't really a gypsy. It's a character. Gypsies are disgusting. Similar to the homeless here in USA.

You openly admit to hating all gypsies, so it figures that you hate Tyson Fury. It doesn't matter who you pick against Fury because YDKSAB. It pleases me that you didn't want to put Fury's resume into your own words.

Only one of us has a boxer for a hero. AJ and Wilder are both products of an absolutely abysmal HW era. I give NONE OF THESE BUMS any credit I will still pick almost everyone over Fury except for 2 - (I hate, loathe, despise Whyte and Chisora....Let me guess, it's because they're black) You openly admit to hating all gypsies, so it figures that you hate Tyson Fury. It doesn't matter who you pick against Fury because YDKSAB.

I don't like Fury's style or his hype. True gypsies are hated by everyone who isn't a gypsy. You're confusing gypsy's with skangers,theres an enormous difference. Billy Joe Saunders is a disgusting pos Pikey skanger,but Fury is the exact opposite in many ways(hes a decent person in real life, unlike Saunders.)

Prove me wrong(I also say he beats Lennox too) (Hate replies are welcome as long as you explain why u think im a punk,btch,hater,fanboi,etc) Tyson Fury already has done more than Tyson,& once he kos AJ he'll be top 5 ATG hw. Tysons greatest accomplishment is how small he was taking out much bigger men. Fury would beat prime Tyson too,& Lewis Fury is tough to handle for anyone throughout history due to combo of skills, footwork, upper body movement, jab, weight, height, heart and reach. He's a massive, massive problem. But I don't know if he'd beat Lennox. Lennox is probably the only guy who I would have as a favourite over him tbh. He was as strong as an Ox with a long reach and amazing jab. Even fight but I give the edge to Lennox

I'll wager you've never lived near gypsies and your opinion of them is based entirely on Daily Mail articles. I don't live near prisons either

Only one of us has a boxer for a hero. AJ and Wilder are both products of an absolutely abysmal HW era. I give NONE OF THESE BUMS any credit I will still pick almost everyone over Fury except for 2 - (I hate, loathe, despise Whyte and Chisora....Let me guess, it's because they're black) I'll wager you've never lived near gypsies and your opinion of them is based entirely on Daily Mail articles.

Fury's third best win was a draw. That's how good his resume is. I've always been a fan. He's a northerner and I like his arrogance. He alternates between being a bit of a character and a nobhead. But you've got to see his resume for what it is. The win against Wlad has been rewritten as a one sided dominant win. It wasn't. It was a great win but was literally a handful of punches from going the other way. A rematch would have confirmed whether Fury really did have Wlad's number... the long reigning champ never got his contacted rematch. His only other noteworthy win is against Wilder. No-one really knows how good that win is, because Wilder was completely unproven. Incredible considering how long he was a champion and how many pro fights he had. I'm going to say that Wilder is a top 10 but not much better. If he was better... his team would have given him a decent opponent! If Fury beats Joshua then fair play to him.

If he beats AJ you could make the case his big top level wins were better than Mikes. But in terms of depth Mike is far ahead. - Holmes, Razor, Berbick, Tubbs, Bonecrusher, Tucker, Bruno, Pinklon, Michael Spinks, Carl Williams, Botha, Stewart would all be top 5 opponents on Furys resume. You have to factor in CONTEXT of the time. Tyson Fury for the most part of is career was fighting at British Level - European level fighters then suddenly BAM? He fought at elite level vs Wladimir Kiltschko, and he has only had 2 fights at elite level. Take out Fury's two wins vs Kiltschko & Wilder, and David Price's resume is comparable to Tyson Fury's. You can mock the fighters Anthony Joshua or Mike Tyson faced, but they were consistently fighting at elite or world level. All of those fighters you have mentioned on Mike Tyson's resumed are world level fighters, then you had super elite level fighters like Michael Spinks. Tyson Fury has had 2 fights at elite level, not many fights at world level 'Chisora is the higher end of European level, as is Wallin who has beaten nobody accept a out of condition Breazeale'.

Because he knocked your hero Wilder out lol. You're a well known gypsy hater, but replace the word gypsy with black and then start saying the same stuff, i dare you. Only one of us has a boxer for a hero. AJ and Wilder are both products of an absolutely abysmal HW era. I give NONE OF THESE BUMS any credit I will still pick almost everyone over Fury except for 2 - (I hate, loathe, despise Whyte and Chisora....Let me guess, it's because they're black)