Overrated

My man that's not how I saw it, but let's look at the numbers. I do realize you can't judge a fight by compubox but when we can't agree on what happened in the ring, I can at least say in the Brook fight, Brook landed FOUR punches in round 3, and TWO in round 4 before he went down. That's not what I call getting hit too much. Same is true for these other fights, Khan an dBenavidez weren't landing cleanly on Crawford with frequency Of course it isn't how you saw it, yiu clearly are a fighter fan and not a fan of boxing. I don't pay attention to compubox, I routinely see them count punches that miss, and don't count punches that land. I really need you to go watch these fights again and really pay attention, listen to them with the commentary off bruh. Crawford as a WW is very unimpressive. It's getting kind of ridiculous to call everyone, but him overrated in this weight class when he should of been the 3rd ranked WW at beat due to him having that WBO belt, Pac's win over Thurman > any Crawford win, it aint even close bruh.

Broner would be top 3 win for Crawford....

Fair game. I guess I won't make as big a deal over it, the only reason I keep making these threads is cuz it seems like everyone is always dogging him. Like this thread I made cuz guys are making it sound like these PBC weltweights are just miles ahead of the guys Crawford has fought which to me just isn't true. Would Porter be a tougher fight than Bud's recent opponents, sure I'll admit that, but I still think Bud's style is all wrong for Shawn. I personally like Bud a lot. He's amazing to watch.

I rate crawford on the level of porter or danny garcia and him being hailed as the top lb4lb fighter make him the most overrated current boxers.

The common thing is that Crawford opponents do have 2 or 3 rounds where they are able to land cleanly on him with some frequency, although he doesn't get battered the way GGG or a pure pressure fighter does, but then once he adjusts the opponents can't land a damn thing. Which isn't hard to do vs Crawford's level of competition.

Broner. Pacquiao. Thurman. The whole PBC Welterweight Stable. I don't know why people act like Pacquiao's win over Broner was so great and makes him a top guy at 147. Broner just struggled with a guy nobody knows about. This is not a good win for Manny and was a clear duck of Terence Crawford. You're not fooling anyone. It's easy to see what your agenda for making this post.

The common thing is that Crawford opponents do have 2 or 3 rounds where they are able to land cleanly on him with some frequency, although he doesn't get battered the way GGG or a pure pressure fighter does, but then once he adjusts the opponents can't land a damn thing.

Khan was jabbing Crawford's face off, so bad Crawford started throwing low blows out of frustration to get him out of there, because Khan didn't stand there like a statue and let Crawford hit him. Benavidez was outboxing Crawford, straight up. Timothy Bradley, Crawford's biggest fan even said it live on broadcast that Benavidez took Crawford's jab away. It took Crawford nearly 7 rounds to figure out he needed to pivot against the one legged fighters bad leg instead of standing there flat footed getting beat punch for punch. Mean Machine was mouth breathing by the end of round 5. He showed stamina issues against Ray Robinson, and he showed he has no footwork at all and can't cut off the ring. What does Crawford the 'supreme' boxer do? He goes out there fights completely flat footed and gets knocked down in the same round BoMac said Crawford would KO him in. Crawford came out fighting a slow fight which favored Mean Machine, all Crawford did was increase his activity level and gas the man out. Simple as that, not pretty but it's effective and it works so I don't knock him for it you do what you have to do to win. Jermell Charlo, who is on my personal P4P list, did this to Harrison in the second fight, even though I felt he won the first one. Brook was repeatedly landing the straight right over and over and over. I was genuinely ALARMED at how many punches Crawford was taking in such a short amount of time. A 'slick' boxer is not supposed to get hit that much. Crawford's adjustment to this was to switch Southpaw and come from a different angle because orthodox he was getting outboxed badly. Brook did exactly what many people said he would do and fold the first time he got hit. He didn't even lose his legs, he just shelled up and laid down. Don't color me impressed by the 'master of adjustments' and 'switch hitting extrodinaire' in Crawford. Almost reminds me of another fighter in his stable that had a gimmick attached to them, something about the matrix or something, it's just that a gimmick. All good championship level fighters make adjustments, hell Oscar Valdez did it last night multiple times against Berchelt(I actually picked Valdez to win this fight). Crawford is a good fighter, but the man lacks defense and for all this talk of his excellent footwork he fights very flat footed most of the time, the only man I have seen him beat behind footwork was Postol and Postol's footwork and ability to cut off the ring is non existent, he is tailor made for someone of Crawford's physical talents. He is an all offense fighter. I have watched a lot of boxing in my life, boxed a little bit myself. I know enough to know that I see him get outboxed for long stretches of his fights and people completely overlook it because he gets stoppages, I also know enough to know his style of fighting is not sustainable. What I see out of Crawford is supreme physical talent and a very long build for his weight class which helps to mask a lot of the flaws in his skills and technique. Like I have told you before, Crawford could win these fights against the PBC welters I'm not saying he can't (except Spence, I'm trying to soften the blow for this one for you now he won't win this fight unless Spence's chin turns to glass overnight which I have no reason to believe it will) hell I think Crawford can beat Porter more convincingly than anyone else has long as he uses his length and keeps Porter at the end of his jab which would be the smart gameplan to use, but that's another thing Crawford doesn't fight behind his jab, he fights behind his power punches, because he is an all offense fighter and routinely gets boxed into brawls and wars with guys. When I look at Crawford I see a guy with supreme physical talent, that covers and masks a lot of the flaws in his skills and technique. He throws punches wide, but since he has long arms as long as the person he is fighting is stationary he can stay out of range most of the time. He drops his hands a lot and leaves his chin up in the air. Not to mention his body is a wide open target. He switches southpaw because I think he doesn't have a lot of power in his left, especially when it is in front which is why he alwys gets outboxed when he is orthodox, he can't keep guys honest with his left in the lead position. Look at his fights, he always hurts his opponent with the right not the left. Kell Brook got stopped with an ugly right hand jab-hook whatever it was. Mean Machine continuous right hands to the body. Benavidez, right uppercut. Khan may have gone down off the left hook, but Crawford stunned him badly with with the straight right immediately before it which had his legs wobbled. Horn was just getting beaten up with his sorry ass, aint no telling what hurt him. I watch a lot of boxing. I understand this sport. I see things that most people don't even think to look for bro. My man that's not how I saw it, but let's look at the numbers. I do realize you can't judge a fight by compubox but when we can't agree on what happened in the ring, I can at least say in the Brook fight, Brook landed FOUR punches in round 3, and TWO in round 4 before he went down. That's not what I call getting hit too much. Same is true for these other fights, Khan an dBenavidez weren't landing cleanly on Crawford with frequency

Wait, Pac beat Broner? Wtf did this happen? Lol, nobody in their right mind thinks or cares about that win. It just goes to show how overrated Broner was. He lost to an aging former flyweight. Broner should be well out of the game by now.

Khan? I didn't think he gave him any problems at all, fact I think Bud had a much easier time with him than anyone else who had beaten Amir up to that point. Garcia was getting badly outboxed before he caught him with the left hook, the rounds against Canelo were all close, Peterson same. OK Prescott KO him quick but we all knew Amir was chinny. He caught him with a good punch but its not like Prescott was outboxing him. Of all those guys Bud was the only one to out box him the whole time. Benavidez and Brook, the early rounds were close, but it's not like they were convincingly winning. Mean Machine had the knockdown, but still, in all those fights what matters is that he made the adjustments and ended up dominating the rest of those fights. That's what I like to look for in picking talent, not how dominant you are against comp, but can you deal with adversity and make the adjustments. Thats why I like Bud. All his fights he starts off slow but by the end the other guy has no hope and it's not just him landing one big shot, well maybe the Brook fight it was, but once he switched stances that was all she wrote. Its the skills that pay the bills and besides, you don't know that Mean Machine and Brook today couldn't put up a good fight against Garcia and Porter, hell Brook beat Porter pretty easy I thought, and look we all know that Brook isn't as good as he once was and Shawn has withered the storms better over the years, but I still don't think that is an easy fight for Porter since Brook can counter, make him miss, tie him up or spin out every time he gets close. Khan was jabbing Crawford's face off, so bad Crawford started throwing low blows out of frustration to get him out of there, because Khan didn't stand there like a statue and let Crawford hit him. Benavidez was outboxing Crawford, straight up. Timothy Bradley, Crawford's biggest fan even said it live on broadcast that Benavidez took Crawford's jab away. It took Crawford nearly 7 rounds to figure out he needed to pivot against the one legged fighters bad leg instead of standing there flat footed getting beat punch for punch. Mean Machine was mouth breathing by the end of round 5. He showed stamina issues against Ray Robinson, and he showed he has no footwork at all and can't cut off the ring. What does Crawford the 'supreme' boxer do? He goes out there fights completely flat footed and gets knocked down in the same round BoMac said Crawford would KO him in. Crawford came out fighting a slow fight which favored Mean Machine, all Crawford did was increase his activity level and gas the man out. Simple as that, not pretty but it's effective and it works so I don't knock him for it you do what you have to do to win. Jermell Charlo, who is on my personal P4P list, did this to Harrison in the second fight, even though I felt he won the first one. Brook was repeatedly landing the straight right over and over and over. I was genuinely ALARMED at how many punches Crawford was taking in such a short amount of time. A 'slick' boxer is not supposed to get hit that much. Crawford's adjustment to this was to switch Southpaw and come from a different angle because orthodox he was getting outboxed badly. Brook did exactly what many people said he would do and fold the first time he got hit. He didn't even lose his legs, he just shelled up and laid down. Don't color me impressed by the 'master of adjustments' and 'switch hitting extrodinaire' in Crawford. Almost reminds me of another fighter in his stable that had a gimmick attached to them, something about the matrix or something, it's just that a gimmick. All good championship level fighters make adjustments, hell Oscar Valdez did it last night multiple times against Berchelt(I actually picked Valdez to win this fight). Crawford is a good fighter, but the man lacks defense and for all this talk of his excellent footwork he fights very flat footed most of the time, the only man I have seen him beat behind footwork was Postol and Postol's footwork and ability to cut off the ring is non existent, he is tailor made for someone of Crawford's physical talents. He is an all offense fighter. I have watched a lot of boxing in my life, boxed a little bit myself. I know enough to know that I see him get outboxed for long stretches of his fights and people completely overlook it because he gets stoppages, I also know enough to know his style of fighting is not sustainable. What I see out of Crawford is supreme physical talent and a very long build for his weight class which helps to mask a lot of the flaws in his skills and technique. Like I have told you before, Crawford could win these fights against the PBC welters I'm not saying he can't (except Spence, I'm trying to soften the blow for this one for you now he won't win this fight unless Spence's chin turns to glass overnight which I have no reason to believe it will) hell I think Crawford can beat Porter more convincingly than anyone else has long as he uses his length and keeps Porter at the end of his jab which would be the smart gameplan to use, but that's another thing Crawford doesn't fight behind his jab, he fights behind his power punches, because he is an all offense fighter and routinely gets boxed into brawls and wars with guys. When I look at Crawford I see a guy with supreme physical talent, that covers and masks a lot of the flaws in his skills and technique. He throws punches wide, but since he has long arms as long as the person he is fighting is stationary he can stay out of range most of the time. He drops his hands a lot and leaves his chin up in the air. Not to mention his body is a wide open target. He switches southpaw because I think he doesn't have a lot of power in his left, especially when it is in front which is why he alwys gets outboxed when he is orthodox, he can't keep guys honest with his left in the lead position. Look at his fights, he always hurts his opponent with the right not the left. Kell Brook got stopped with an ugly right hand jab-hook whatever it was. Mean Machine continuous right hands to the body. Benavidez, right uppercut. Khan may have gone down off the left hook, but Crawford stunned him badly with with the straight right immediately before it which had his legs wobbled. Horn was just getting beaten up with his sorry ass, aint no telling what hurt him. I watch a lot of boxing. I understand this sport. I see things that most people don't even think to look for bro.

Jeff Horn Jose Benavidez 2019 Amir Khan Mean Machine 2020 Kell Brook The only guy who he looked good against was Horn, the rest of them gave him problems behind some very basic boxing, hell Kell Brook almost had his right eye swollen shut by the end of round 2, Mean Machine knocked him down and they were both using the same punch over and over and over again. I have no problem with what Crawford did pre 147, but if there is an overrated WW champion it is Crawford. Khan? I didn't think he gave him any problems at all, fact I think Bud had a much easier time with him than anyone else who had beaten Amir up to that point. Garcia was getting badly outboxed before he caught him with the left hook, the rounds against Canelo were all close, Peterson same. OK Prescott KO him quick but we all knew Amir was chinny. He caught him with a good punch but its not like Prescott was outboxing him. Of all those guys Bud was the only one to out box him the whole time. Benavidez and Brook, the early rounds were close, but it's not like they were convincingly winning. Mean Machine had the knockdown, but still, in all those fights what matters is that he made the adjustments and ended up dominating the rest of those fights. That's what I like to look for in picking talent, not how dominant you are against comp, but can you deal with adversity and make the adjustments. Thats why I like Bud. All his fights he starts off slow but by the end the other guy has no hope and it's not just him landing one big shot, well maybe the Brook fight it was, but once he switched stances that was all she wrote. Its the skills that pay the bills and besides, you don't know that Mean Machine and Brook today couldn't put up a good fight against Garcia and Porter, hell Brook beat Porter pretty easy I thought, and look we all know that Brook isn't as good as he once was and Shawn has withered the storms better over the years, but I still don't think that is an easy fight for Porter since Brook can counter, make him miss, tie him up or spin out every time he gets close.

Jeff Horn Jose Benavidez 2019 Amir Khan Mean Machine 2020 Kell Brook The only guy who he looked good against was Horn, the rest of them gave him problems behind some very basic boxing, hell Kell Brook almost had his right eye swollen shut by the end of round 2, Mean Machine knocked him down and they were both using the same punch over and over and over again. I have no problem with what Crawford did pre 147, but if there is an overrated WW champion it is Crawford.

I can’t add much to this, pretty much exactly what I would have said. You must be a gawddam genius :) I love boxing man. I try to be as objective as possible.

Broner is definitely not a great win for Pac. Thurman was good/almost elite before inactivity/injuries/josesito lopez, but, it's a pretty good win for Pac considering he was like 40. A close decision over Thurman is better than anything Bud has done at 147. That being said, I don't blame Pac for not fighting Crawford or Spence. He'd easily get destroyed by them, and his team knows this. Pac is too old. I can’t add much to this, pretty much exactly what I would have said. You must be a gawddam genius :)

Well. Damn. I'm surprised. That was before I joined this forum, but still. You win, it's not as big a problem as I thought. Certainly seems it but I guess there are more believers in Crawford's skills than I thought. Cuz Trolls be the loudest. But most people know TC legit but just disappointed that he hasn't fought the top 5 guys at the weight

OK be a Broner fanboy. Or a Pacman fanboy, I, I really don't care. Don't come at my thread by changing the subject. If you really think that Pacquiao's win over Broner makes him legit then you really DKSAB. I have to think you're smarter than that. I respect him for what he did in his prime but Pacquiao is old and washed up today.You are throwing that word fanboy a round a lot considering you are such a FANBOY of Crawford he is in your username. People are high on Pac because he beat Thurman. Beating Broner was expected of him. Crawford can beat Pac since he is 10 years younger. Crawford is a great fighter but gets crap for .poor opponents while Spence fights only champion s and top contenders Crawford would be favored to beat any welterweight except Spence and that is an even money fight.

I wouldn't get too carried away on Crawford considering the terrible opposition he has faced since winning the welterweight title. Pac is considered a top contender at 147 for his win over Thurman not Broner. Pac slaughtered an active Broner. The Broner who got a gift win yesterday had over two years of rust on him and the Pac beating to make him more gunshy and worse than ever.

fairy tale ending to this thread! Heartwarming. hahahahaha lmao

Fair game. I guess I won't make as big a deal over it, the only reason I keep making these threads is cuz it seems like everyone is always dogging him. Like this thread I made cuz guys are making it sound like these PBC weltweights are just miles ahead of the guys Crawford has fought which to me just isn't true. Would Porter be a tougher fight than Bud's recent opponents, sure I'll admit that, but I still think Bud's style is all wrong for Shawn. Fairy tale ending to this thread! Heartwarming.

Trust me, most here rate Crawford very highly. Don't take it personal when some dog him for his lack of competition. He would be the favorite on this board over EVERY WW. People just want to see him in against those top fighters. His prime is coming to an end, it will be a shame if he doesn't get a big fight until he is declined and ends up getting stopped or loses to a young gun like Ennis or Ortiz Jr. Fair game. I guess I won't make as big a deal over it, the only reason I keep making these threads is cuz it seems like everyone is always dogging him. Like this thread I made cuz guys are making it sound like these PBC weltweights are just miles ahead of the guys Crawford has fought which to me just isn't true. Would Porter be a tougher fight than Bud's recent opponents, sure I'll admit that, but I still think Bud's style is all wrong for Shawn.