Floyd Mayweather vs Julio Cesar Chavez: Resume.

I think Mayweather's resume is excellent, sure I could pick a few things, but I can do that With any fighter in history. I've seen many people talk about JCC about him fighting the best after the best, and really bigging up his resume, saying had he retired when unbeaten he would be regarded the best ever. Now, I've just looked through this and had Mayweather faced this lot, he'd be absolutely ridiculed. Why are the older generation fighters held to lower standards when it comes to those they beat? Opponents overall records listed to the right Mayweather first ten opponents W78-L55 JCC first ten - W1-L7 (seven debutants!) Things of note from both guys' first ten fights. Mayweather has an ordinary first ten opponents, with two debutants. Chavez has a very poor first ten opponents. Incredibly seven debutants, and maybe even more so, only one win combined from his first ten opponents. Mayweather 11-20 - W233 -L57 JCC 11-20 - W62-L47 Mayweather's next ten, he fights only one opponent with a losing record. Beat a former world title challenger (Tony Pep), before winning the WBC world championship vs Genaro Hernandez, defending his belt vs Angel Manfredy and Carlos Rios. JCC, fought two more debutants, another three had losing records, no notable wins. Mayweather 21-30 - W387-L31 JCC 21-30 - W82 -L74 During this period Mayweather beat Diego Corrales, Carlos Hernandez, Jesus Chavez, Jose Luis Castillo x2, as well as five other title defences and one non-title fight. JCC, from fights 21-30, JCC still managed to find another five guys with losing records, topped off with five journeyman with winning records. Mayweather 31-40 -W398 -L35 JCC 31-40 -W111 -L84 Mayweather has wins over Ricky Hatton, Oscar De La Hoya, and Juan Manuel Marquez, as well as wins over Zab Judah, De Marcus Corley, Phillip Ndou, and even Gatti, Baldomir and Mitchell were decent wins. JCC faces ten more journeyman. I found this incredible that at forty fights, he makes Wilder's resume at the same stage look like Evander Holyfields. Mayweather 41-50 - W306 -L25 JCC 41-50 - W188 -L46 Mayweather beat his career long rival Manny Pacquiao (aged 38 to Pac's 36) very clearly on points. Gave Canelo Alvarez his first and only loss in a masterful display. Beat Maidana twice, beat Cotto, as well as okay wins over Berto, Guerrero, and a novelty win and major payday vs McGregor. Chavez fights a debutant in his fortieth fight. Yes, I know Mayweather fought McGregor, but that was a crossover even and a major, major payday, this was just JCC choosing to fight a boxer debutant. On His 50th fight he faced Roberto Collins W2 L15. He did however win the WBC world title on his 42nd fight over Mario Martinez, the first good win of his career.] Other good wins came over Ruben Castillo and Roger Mayweather. JCC 51-60 - W345 -L71 This list of fights is very underwhelming for this stage of his career. It includes a MD win over decent journeyman Rocky Lockridge. JCC 61-70 - W294 -L35 Good wins over Angel Luis Ramirez, Alberto Cortes, and Meldrick Taylor, but why is he fighting Ramon Arambaru W0 L1 in his 66th fight? And Akwei Addo W5 L3 in his 70th fight? JCC 71-80 - W272 -L36 Wins over Angel Hernandez, Kyung Due Akn, and John Duplessis, with two more very lowly journeyman thrown in to boost his record. JCC 81-90 - W347 -L35 Some good wins here, Frankie Mitchell, Hector Camacho, Marty Jakubowski, Andy Holligan, and a draw with Pernell Whitaker. In amongst this he still found the time to fight Bruce Pearson, W10 L10. JCC 91-100 - W366 -L42 Suffers his first defeat to Frankie Randall, he wins the rematch. Beats Meldrick Taylor in rematch, and Giovanni Parisi, David Kamau follows, then he is beaten by Oscar De La Hoya, before beating Joey Gamache. JCC 100- 110 - W509 -L67 A draw with Miguel Angel Gonzalez, before beating Ken Sigurani. Losing once more by Oscar De La Hoya, beat Marty Jakubowski, then loses on points as he is outsmarted by Willy Wise W23 L 6. He beats Buck Smith, before a TKO lost to Kosta Tszyu. JCC 111 - 115 - W175 -L44 Very old now. These fights are barely worth mentioning. He wins the trilogy over Frankie Randall, and loses his last fight to Grover Wiley. I know JCC is old in some of these later fights mentioned, but even if you ignore these past prime fights, you have to admit, his resume, is nowhere near what people try and have you believe. And I think we need to put this myth, of the best used to always fight the best, to bed. Mayweather's resume is ten times better than Chavez's

Comments (20)

That's a good point you make however, Taylor wasn't a better fighter than Mosley ( who took Margarito's soul). Pac man would have sparked Taylor,(similar to what he did to Hatton). I liken Taylor to Judah's level imo. You missed something I said prime undefeated Meldrick Taylor compared to Mosley who was pushing 40, had more tougher fights, and was just coming off a good win.

5y ago

hugh_grant

If floyd didn't cherry pick he could have a better resume than chavez. For sure. Floyd wasn't in a particularly strong era. So what's the excuse for not fighting the spences, buds and thurman of this world, who were at least the toughest opponents available, if your not going to rematch nel o or pac?I Your only fighting 50 fights whilst your peers are fighting at least 70+ fights

5y ago

pasawayako

If floyd didn't cherry pick he could have a better resume than chavez.

5y ago

chaosisme

Corrales would have probably found his distance and tag Hatton and do punch him in the face.

5y ago

hugh_grant

Floyd has some good names on his resume but there's lots of misgivings that takethaway Home advantage, too calculated with cws, glovegate, cherrypicks, not having policy and ethos of fighting toughest opponents if possible. If you have considerably less fights your expected to fight less bums.

5y ago

Vasyls_dad

Chavez beat 50 robert guerrero's, the guys with manny many fights are chock full of cans, look at SRR 200 fights over 170 cans. So then you’re saying 50 is greater than 1 right? Another win for Chavez in this silly comparison.

5y ago

Roadblock

Quite possibly the dumbest way to compare resumes. Let the facts remain, Chavez still holds the record for most title fights, most title fight wins, most defenses of title and tied for second with most knockouts in title fights. But yea, beating the Robert Guerrero’s and Victor Ortiz makes Floyd’s resume better. Chavez beat 50 robert guerrero's, the guys with manny many fights are chock full of cans, look at SRR 200 fights over 170 cans.

5y ago

real_raw

A very well thought out opinion on the matter.

5y ago

shza

I would say Floyd's resume is better, but not by THAT much... "ten times better" is taking the piss. They are both in the same tier (top 15-50 ATG) and there isn't much separation. Here are my arguments why, feel free to counter them one by one but please none of the three Fs: fanboyism, femininity, or fake "facts"... ain't no facts when evaluating resumes. I am actually trying to find a SOMEWHAT objective way to rank ATGs though, so any feedback as to my rationale and which categories you think should be most heavily weighted is welcome: R1-R4: High Quality Wins (Floyd, close): Both guys have a similar number of high quality wins. Chavez has Azabache Martinez, Mayweather, Ramirez, Lockridge, Rosario, Limon, Cortez, Taylor 2x, Hernandez, Camacho, Randall (12)... Whereas Floyd has Hernandez, Corrales, Chavez, Castillo 2x, Gatti, Mitchell, Hatton (great win IMO), Judah, Oscar, Shane, Cotto, Pac, Canelo (13).... You could give a take a few on either side for sure... my point is it's close with a slight advantage to Mayweather. (This is the most important category but also the most subjective, so I'm not sure whether to assign 4 rounds to it or not.) (R1, R2: Mayweather, close, R3: Chavez, close, R4: Draw) R5-R6: Solid Title Defenses (Draw):: Both of them have a lot of defenses against decent contenders (Maidana or Haugen types)... Chavez probably has more but Floyd's opposition may have a better W/L percentage. Feel free to do the research, I am too lazy. (R5: Mayweather, close, R6: Chavez, close) R7: Legendary Wins v. ATGS (NC): One big knock on JCC's resume is that he definitely LOST when he fought a prime top 50 ATG in Whitaker (and it wasn't close IMO... I usually respect the judges' decision but this one was a ****ing joke)... but Floyd didn't fight Oscar or Pac in their primes so we'll never know on his end. Neither guy has anything like Ali over Liston and Foreman, Ross over Canzoneri, or SRR over prime Gavilan or Basilio. This keeps both of them out of the top tier. (R7: Draw, 9-9) R8: Manner of Victory (Chavez, clear): When comparing resumes, some attention has to be given to HOW fights were won... prime Chavez destroyed most of his greatest opponents... Mayweather has some good shutouts and stoppages (Hatton, Canelo) but a lot of close and questionable UDs as well (Castillo, DLH). (R8: Chavez, clear) R9: Titles, Weight Classes, Accolades: (Floyd) : Floyd's 15 titles across 5 weight classes clearly takes this one, though JC was no slouch... I believe he's second after Joe Louis for most consecutive title defenses. I didn't assign this one any more than a round to adjust for era... One belt or two classes in the one belt and eight class era is as or more impressive than four belts or four classes in the era of alphabet belts and weight class ****ery (i.e. pit stops in weight classes just so you can say you're an "x-divison champ"). (R9: Floyd) R10: Activity, Overall Record (Chavez, clear): OP's argument that we can completely disregard Chavez's early record against club fighters is facetious, IMO, as activity and quantity counts for something. We don't know **** about Chavez's early bum of the month club in Culiacan, but beating the **** out of a different guy every two weeks is impressive no matter how you cut it... This is another way to adjust for era--JCC came up at the tail end of a harder era and that's important. (R10: Chavez, clear) R11-12 (Championship Rounds): Fantasy H2H Matchup, Prime for Prime (Floyd, close): JCC struggled with great boxers like Taylor and Pernell, while Floyd excelled against pressure fighters so I think Mayweather takes this. However, the JCC of the Rosario and Taylor fights would've given PBF everything he could handle, I believe... That fight probably would've played out like the first Taylor fight (sans stoppage) or the Floyd-ODLH fight, imo. (R11-12: Floyd, close) R1: Floyd, 10-9 close R2: Floyd, 10-9 close R3: Chavez, 10-9 R4: Draw, 10-10 R5: Floyd, 10-9 close R6: Chavez, 10-9 close R7: Double KD, 9-9 R8: Chavez, 10-9 R9: Floyd, 10-9 R10: Chavez, 10-9 R11: Floyd, 10-9, close R12: Floyd, 10-9, close Verdict: 115-113 Mayweather in a UD with a lot of close rounds... surprise, surprise. I could also see 116-112 Floyd, 114-114, or 115-114 Chavez, but NOT a domination from either guy...

5y ago

Nash_out

Without having any personal knowledge of Chavez's motivations, I would say he took non-title fights to stay sharp. But clearly, the analysis presented is misdirected. Chavez's resume is a who's who of boxing legends. Just looking at a bunch of numbers on a page tells nothing. A PROPER analysis involves actually watching the fights. Or comparing the records of those each fought in title defenses. This comparison reveals nothing of consequence. This comparison reveals a hell of a lot, and who the hell are these who's who of legends? There's a few, but two of them Oscar De la Hoya, and PW, yielded 3 fights with 0 wins.

5y ago

real_raw

5y ago

chaosisme

No love for Chavez's win over Edwin Rosario?

5y ago

Vasyls_dad

5y ago

chaosisme

Chavez beating a prime Meldrick Taylor, beats anything and anyone Floyd has on his resume. Hatton was a brawler, Canelo wasn't quite prime yet, Cotto Manny and Shane were half baked. He snatched Mel's soul. Sorry to say. I disagree. Taylor's only notable wins are Buddy Mcgirt, Aaron Davis, and...Rockin' lol.

5y ago

blowblow

JCC.. floyd has a lot of cherrypicked opponents. JCC is a warrior.

5y ago

Sweet_Science_

5y ago

djtmal

Resume=who you beat...Floyd clearly has the better wins Chavez beating a prime Meldrick Taylor, beats anything and anyone Floyd has on his resume. Hatton was a brawler, Canelo wasn't quite prime yet, Cotto Manny and Shane were half baked. He snatched Mel's soul. Sorry to say.

5y ago

LarryX

Resume=who you beat...Floyd clearly has the better wins

5y ago

boliodogs

You make a good case for Mayweather having the better record. One thing that helped Mayweather achieve his great record is he always stayed in great condition even between fights and never gained much weight or got out of shape. He still lives that way even in retirement. This helped him fight well at an age when many boxers are completely shot. Part of Mayweather's excellence in old age might just be good genes but part of it is his great life style for an athlete 24/7/365.

5y ago

Nash_out

Well written thread. Floyd's resume is clearly better. I think he beats Chavez head to head from 130 to 147. Thanks for posting this! Thanks. I think with the older generation fighters, a lot of people just seem to assume they were fighting killer after killer. I've seen many modern fans who claim to be big on JCC, claim this, and as you can see, it's clearly not the case. Yet Mayweather's resume gets discredited, yet it's miles better than Chavez's, and there's no way to argue against that when you stack up the facts.

5y ago