Is that he does not have a single A+ signature win over a prime opponent. As a Pac fan I gotta keep it real.
Duran beat prime undefeated Leonard.
Leonard beat prime undefeated Hearns and Benitez.
Ali beat prime undefeated Foreman.
Roy Jones beat prime undefeated Hopkins and Toney.
Floyd beat Pacquiao who was 2 years younger than him.
Those are legendary wins.
Manny has:
Cotto at 145 coming off loss.
Past prime Barrera who barely makes top 50 ATG
Shot to **** Oscar
Part-time Thurman coming off surgery and lay off
Controversial wins and KO loss to Marquez
Bradley and Ledwaba who are good but not legendary
Manny had his chance against Floyd, but came up short in his biggest fight. Blamed his shoulder.
He will end his career with a bunch of B+ to A- wins, but not a single A+ legendary win.
Manny was good, but not that good.
He can change that if he beats Crawford, but I doubt he takes the fight.
Like I said, I'm a fan of Manny but I got to keep it real. You're the casual, repping Dempsey like you know shet, funny it's you that DKSAB in the end. What are you like some pinoy ladyboi with a Manny tramp stamp or something?
Why are you still quoting me with your third grade education? You’re not a fan, you’re a troll.
Low IQ troll with 80+ post.. are you an alt? :rofl: barrera past his prime? lol he was p4p that time. you can't drag manny down to your level. i know you hate manny so much for surpassing floyd in terms of achievements and legacy.
U have like 10 alts Pasawayako lmfao
barrera was at the peak of his career. he was #3 p4p, lineal/ring featherweight champ, coming off wins against morales and hamed. went on to become #1 at super featherweight and arguably beat prime marquez.
not A+????? hahahahahahahahahahaha u just exposed urself for being a dunce good one hahahahahahahahaha
Barrera is not even a top50 atg lol u dunce
Low IQ troll with 80+ post.. are you an alt? :rofl: barrera past his prime? lol he was p4p that time. you can't drag manny down to your level. i know you hate manny so much for surpassing floyd in terms of achievements and legacy.
Are u a ladyboy from Manila?
I'm a fan of Manny, so who's jock am I sniffing? Your mothers?
Oh, look here everyone, someone has mom jokes. What are you 14 years old? I haven't heard those since 8th grade. Typical.
No one sees a problem with Manny’s legacy except his haters. He holds wins over prime Berrera, Morales, JMM, Bradley, Cotto, Margarito, Broner and Thurman. And stop bullshytting, you aren’t a PAC fan.
I don't think you are a Pac fan. Why make this thread if you are?????? To keep it real? You could keep it real without this thread. Pac's record is considered one of the best ever by the vast majority.
Low IQ troll with 80+ post.. are you an alt? :rofl: barrera past his prime? lol he was p4p that time. you can't drag manny down to your level. i know you hate manny so much for surpassing floyd in terms of achievements and legacy.
If Floyd Beat Keith You wouldn't be posting this.
Why doesn't Floyd (clear a side) come out and fight Thurman now?
Ummm what? I literally never said the word "Floyd" in my entire post...?
Can cherry pick everyone's resume.
You thought he would beat Keith ?
Exactly how I see it theres so many variables in boxing and also a ton of shady going ons in the background to most big fights with both sides trying to gain an edge you could pick any ones resume apart just as much as you can defend their losses
Pac has beaten a lot of good names. My knock on Pac's career would be he either lost or drew in all of his unification fights, not the competition he faced.
Can cherry pick everyone's resume.
You thought he would beat Keith ?
Has nothing to do with cherry picking. Learn 2 read before posting some dumb response that makes no sense.
I thought Pac would stop Keith. Please tell me why Keith Thurman is held highly. He was almost KTFO by literal journeyman level fighters in Josesito Lopez and Luis Collazo. He barely edged Danny Garcia and Shawn Porter...and I dont hold either Garcia or Porter in high esteem.
Although Thurman, Porter, and Danny Garcia are among the best WWs today...its a watered down division. None of them have a single decent win.
Porter stopped a shot Malignaggi? WOAH
Danny beat prime Matthyse and that win was impressive at the time but worsened with time...
Danny beat Khan which was impressive at the time and has also aged very poorly...
Thurman beat those guys and...thats it. Nothing that jumps out as impressive
Crawford is a whole different animal. Crawford is undefeated through 3 weight classes, 1 of 2 fighters to be undisputed and lineal at ANY WEIGHT in past 20 years, has among highest KO% at WW, Top 3 PFP for about 5 years, and has never had 1 single close fight in his entire career.
Beating Crawford is a career achievement. For anyone. . .especially a 41 year old part-time retired fighter in his 7th weight class. Thats a goddamn achievement
If Floyd Beat Keith You wouldn't be posting this.
Why doesn't Floyd (clear a side) come out and fight Thurman now?
Can cherry pick everyone's resume.
You thought he would beat Keith ?
I thought Pac would stop Keith. Please tell me why Keith Thurman is held highly. He was almost KTFO by literal journeyman level fighters in Josesito Lopez and Luis Collazo. He barely edged Danny Garcia and Shawn Porter...and I dont hold either Garcia or Porter in high esteem.
Although Thurman, Porter, and Danny Garcia are among the best WWs today...its a watered down division. None of them have a single decent win.
Porter stopped a shot Malignaggi? WOAH
Danny beat prime Matthyse and that win was impressive at the time but worsened with time...
Danny beat Khan which was impressive at the time and has also aged very poorly...
Thurman beat those guys and...thats it. Nothing that jumps out as impressive
Crawford is a whole different animal. Crawford is undefeated through 3 weight classes, 1 of 2 fighters to be undisputed and lineal at ANY WEIGHT in past 20 years, has among highest KO% at WW, Top 3 PFP for about 5 years, and has never had 1 single close fight in his entire career.
Beating Crawford is a career achievement. For anyone. . .especially a 41 year old part-time retired fighter in his 7th weight class. Thats a goddamn achievement
Is that he does not have a single A+ signature win over a prime opponent. As a Pac fan I gotta keep it real.
Duran beat prime undefeated Leonard.
Leonard beat prime undefeated Hearns and Benitez.
Ali beat prime undefeated Foreman.
Roy Jones beat prime undefeated Hopkins and Toney.
Floyd beat Pacquiao who was 2 years younger than him.
Those are legendary wins.
Manny has:
Cotto at 145 coming off loss.
Past prime Barrera who barely makes top 50 ATG
Shot to **** Oscar
Part-time Thurman coming off surgery and lay off
Controversial wins and KO loss to Marquez
Bradley and Ledwaba who are good but not legendary
Manny had his chance against Floyd, but came up short in his biggest fight. Blamed his shoulder.
He will end his career with a bunch of B+ to A- wins, but not a single A+ legendary win.
Manny was good, but not that good.
He can change that if he beats Crawford, but I doubt he takes the fight.
Pac beating Thurman and Crawford in his 40s while also winning belts in most weight classes ever carries a lot of value.
No Thurman is not an ATG and Crawford likely isnt either bc too few fights and too few quality opponents BUT either guy is risky af at 40+ years old.
If Manny beats Crawford hes Top 5 dead or alive...and thats AHEAD of Floyd