ledwaba, marquez, david diaz, hatton, cotto, clottey, bradley, rios, algieri, vargas, broner and thruman. all those guys were in their prime, just because some of them loss 1 fight before fighting pac, doesnt mean they are not prime anymore.
lol but for the casual fans a loss means not prime anymore.. i guess if that's their basis then i can say floyd is always in his prime.. i wonder how come he still ducked fighters back then?
ledwaba, marquez, david diaz, hatton, cotto, clottey, bradley, rios, algieri, vargas, broner and thruman. all those guys were in their prime, just because some of them loss 1 fight before fighting pac, doesnt mean they are not prime anymore.
Bradley 3x, Barrera 2x, Morales 3x, JMM 4x, Cotto, Margarito, Hatton, Broner, Thurman.
I wouldn't rank Margarito or Hatton as ATG's or A-level, but he absolutely destroyed them. Floyd ducked Margarito, prime Cotto, Thurman, Bradley among others.
Gatti, Judah, Hatton, again, not the calibre of fighters compared to Marquez, Morales and Barrera.
Morales and Barrera were past it when Manny fought them. Both already coming of wars and losses to other fighters
I don't even hate Manny Pacquiao, but his rabid fanbase who insult every boxer he faced lol.
That was Floyds last fight, I can admit he could have fought a better opponent, but many great fighters fight lower opposition in their final fights.
Many past great fighters fought lower opposition in their final fight usually after they took a career ending beatdown.
That wasn't the case with Floyd.
When you are the self proclaimed best ever, I am looking to see if you take your foot off the gas pedal.
He beat Manny Pacquiao easily and gave him a boxing lesson. Get your eyes checked please.
man don't watch boxing with closed eyes.. look at my sig.. that's what happened that time. running all night.
The problem with you pac fans is that you refuse to acknowledge basic facts. From 1998-2007, Mayweather was the most ducked fighter. Cotto's team didn't want to fight 140lb Floyd. Manny Pacquiao was silent in this time period. No one was calling out Floyd. Floyd himself wanted BOTH Oscar De La Hoya and Shane Mosley, but the latter moved up to WW to fight De La Hoya and they didn't come down to WW like they said they would. It was only when Floyd, whose ridicilously small for a WW, started experiencing hand problems and aged when Cotto and Mosley and Pacquiao became so brave
this one is funny. 1998-2007? do you know their weight difference that time, don't you? :rofl:
floyd didn't beat him solo.. he was with the ref and judges. so the handicap is terrible.. you know that.. that's another fulfillment for floyd.. he had the chance to fight his idol and was able to get the win.
He beat Manny Pacquiao easily and gave him a boxing lesson. Get your eyes checked please.
floyd is picking his opponents IF only at his advantage.. do you call that a best boxer? why don't we just list down the fighters he ducked when he is in his prime or let's say the opponents prime? what i know is he will just go retire if he smells a threat in his division and will comeback later on when everything is a calm water.
The problem with you pac fans is that you refuse to acknowledge basic facts. From 1998-2007, Mayweather was the most ducked fighter. Cotto's team didn't want to fight 140lb Floyd. Manny Pacquiao was silent in this time period. No one was calling out Floyd. Floyd himself wanted BOTH Oscar De La Hoya and Shane Mosley, but the latter moved up to WW to fight De La Hoya and they didn't come down to WW like they said they would. It was only when Floyd, whose ridicilously small for a WW, started experiencing hand problems and aged when Cotto and Mosley and Pacquiao became so brave
But Mayweather beat Pacquiao so your arguments and 4 different qoute posts are basically pointless.
floyd didn't beat him solo.. he was with the ref and judges. so the handicap is terrible.. you know that.. that's another fulfillment for floyd.. he had the chance to fight his idol and was able to get the win.
If Manny Pacquiao beats Spence or Crawford at no catchweights, I'll openly say Pacquiao is the GOAT
what do you mean? pac will be the one to adjust according to their weight? so special of them :rofl:
floyd wouldn't want the caliber of barrera and morales. that's why he can only watch and jump into happines when pac is fighting morales. i'd say pac granted him his best watching of his life.. floyd really is a pac fan.
But Mayweather beat Pacquiao so your arguments and 4 different qoute posts are basically pointless.
C'mon. Thurman was mandatory to Floyd's WBC belt for years, and was calling him out for years. Nobody would give Floyd flak for fighting Manny over Thurman, but Berto? Sounds pretty legit to me.
Much respect for giving Manny full credit for beating Thurman.
I don't even hate Manny Pacquiao, but his rabid fanbase who insult every boxer he faced lol.
That was Floyds last fight, I can admit he could have fought a better opponent, but many great fighters fight lower opposition in their final fights.
Floyd handled manny quite easily.
Floyd did something manny couldn’t by giving a top 30 atg a boxing lesson
but still pac is above the atg list while looking down at floyd's rank. :rofl:
Okay, but Mayweather beat Marquez. Manny Pacquiao arguably lost the second and third fights and was knocked out in the fourth (I thought Pacquiao won the first, Marquez won the second, the third was a draw) btw. Those fights were still good and entertaining to watch I can admit.
floyd wouldn't want the caliber of barrera and morales. that's why he can only watch and jump into happines when pac is fighting morales. i'd say pac granted him his best watching of his life.. floyd really is a pac fan.
You mean the guy Pacquiao fought who was coming off of a surgery in order to duck both crawford and Spence?
amir khan is saying hello to ou brother. :rofl: glass hands is scared of the so called glass chin.. so let's ducked this one hahahaha
Its a fact most of Pacquiaos biggest "wins" are off of Mayweather leftovers at catchweights and guys coming off of losses, while Mayweather often fought guys after their biggest wins.
floyd is picking his opponents IF only at his advantage.. do you call that a best boxer? why don't we just list down the fighters he ducked when he is in his prime or let's say the opponents prime? what i know is he will just go retire if he smells a threat in his division and will comeback later on when everything is a calm water.
I didn't make any excuses for Manny losing. Didn't have to. Every time he lost, he picked himself back up and went on another run. That's what the special guys do.
It's not too many guys who got ko'd like Manny did and beat a prime elite fighter like Thurman at his age. Roy Jones got ko'd at what 34 or 35 and he was finished.
Coming back from adversity. The true greats in any sport have been judged by this character trait. Your boy Floyd was too low risk he didn't want any adversity in his fights. Only in Floyd Boy land is a loss the end of the world
this is fooking true.. so 0 is their nightmare.. look at the young lions now? fooking scared to take on the real threat and have the balls to demand a higher purse.. that's the teaching in floyd's land.
I agree lots of C-B level guys were prime in the early part same for Floyd, the thread should be what elite prime guys did Manny fight that narrows the field way down.
how about we breakdown who did they cherry pick during their prime? that's would be the determining factor of who is the best. :boxing:
Barrera (yes he was. He went on to plenty more wins after Pac loss and was only like 30 years old when he fought Pac.) Ledwaba, David Diaz, Marquez, Larios, Jorge Julio (retired shortly after this loss and Vasquez right after), Clottey, Margarito (for what it's worth. He had only just been beaten by Mosley due to lack of hand wraps), Cotto (tricky because I thought Cotto was beast at 140lbs but discovered a new career at 147+, yet not as dominant as 140lbs so I'm not sure 147+lbs Cotto was true form Cotto), Bradley, Rios, Algieri, Vargas, Horn, Broner.
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