Doping in boxing

See...gladiator fighting is much more attractive than pure sports LOL.

Nobody truly believes that story. Tyson and Hughie were juicing and got busted for nandrolone (anabolic steroid). Fury decided to come up with a fabricated story. Another poster told me that they killed the boar with their bare hands, tore him to pieces. Boars weigh from 250-500 lbs, and are from 6-over 8 ft long. They have no necks and are like bulls, 4 or more ft tall at the shoulder, very fast, elusive, and extremely dangerous when cornered. On top of that, they are strictly nocturnal and no one can find them in the daytime. And further research told me that there are only 600-1000 feral pigs, (not 2000) of both sexes at liberty roaming around in about 90,000 sq miles of territory of the U.K. And they have high testosterone only in rutting season. Certainly not nearly enough to cause test failures to two giants.. That must have ben a story they heard in a bar somewhere.

Let's just make everyone juice. I'm a fan of Jon Jones but I wonder how many times he's been on some illegal stuff. I would prefer this, even without the "clean" divison, instead e.g. seeing cheater Holyfield going to HW and being "one of the greatest" looking like zombie for sure.

The thing is these boxers are in the top 0.01% out of 100s of thousands if not millions worldwide. These aren't your normal athletes or human beings. The top level we are talking fine percentages do we really want guys juicing? Just because two guys that are sort of equal in every regard are juicing even on the same course you can not expect the same or similar results. Some guys won't respond well others will be super responsive to even minimal gear. Take for example Vitor Belfort - A non TRT Belfort vs a TRT Belfort is night & day. You give a responder like that low dose TRT you've got problems. This guys suddenly going from looking ordinary as **** to being some super explosive, lightening fast freak of nature that is putting world class fighters out in a heartbeat. This guy juicing caused a fighter to become blind in one eye. He's going from being whatever you want to label him as to looking like some super hero character from a comic book. Boxing is a dangerous enough sport as it is without openly letting them take steroids which have no end of benefits from cardio & recovery right through to increased bone density & ability to absorb a shot. I hear you, but if we want to live finally in a free world, if a guy wants a 5 minutes fame and then die, it is no business of mine and should not be of anyone else business. Unfortunately, we are slaves not free men today.

The thing is these boxers are in the top 0.01% out of 100s of thousands if not millions worldwide. These aren't your normal athletes or human beings. The top level we are talking fine percentages do we really want guys juicing? Just because two guys that are sort of equal in every regard are juicing even on the same course you can not expect the same or similar results. Some guys won't respond well others will be super responsive to even minimal gear. Take for example Vitor Belfort - A non TRT Belfort vs a TRT Belfort is night & day. You give a responder like that low dose TRT you've got problems. This guys suddenly going from looking ordinary as **** to being some super explosive, lightening fast freak of nature that is putting world class fighters out in a heartbeat. This guy juicing caused a fighter to become blind in one eye. He's going from being whatever you want to label him as to looking like some super hero character from a comic book. Boxing is a dangerous enough sport as it is without openly letting them take steroids which have no end of benefits from cardio & recovery right through to increased bone density & ability to absorb a shot.

I don't want any divisions or drug testing. Testing clean proves nothing, which makes the whole idea of drug testing pointless. Get rid of it. This is my general idea in the "open" division. The "clean" division is just a must for honest sportsmen as a reaction, that's all.

LOL, so everyone should go to the "open" , right ? Why these tests then ? nWhy dfo we need this "natural" category if the majority of you ****ers prefer to see freaks ? You all have no solutions. Even your questions are ridiculous. I don't want any divisions or drug testing. Testing clean proves nothing, which makes the whole idea of drug testing pointless. Get rid of it.

You are a wise guy. But neither is your fault, not mine, people want gladiators. If everything was tight -- the last true natural champ was Sonny Liston ? Who knows... I don't even pay attention to the rumors and accusations because we have no way of knowing the truth given the corruption in boxing. Plus, "supplementation" is constantly evolving to exploit holes in the testing regimes. Either way, a juiced up bum is going to lose to a talented natural fighter 9x out of 10. This is the freakish Brazilian kickboxer I mentioned, btw (Gabi Garcia): https://middleeasy.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Gabi-Garcia-1.jpg

The obvious solution is to just get rid of testing altogether and unban all substances. It's ok to use some PERFORMANCE ENHANCERS, but not others? Let's be real, none of these guys are training on strictly food and water. This goes for ALL professional sports. Afraid of "drug cheats"? Don't become a professional athlete. LOL, so everyone should go to the "open" , right ? Why these tests then ? nWhy dfo we need this "natural" category if the majority of you ****ers prefer to see freaks ? You all have no solutions. Even your questions are ridiculous.

The obvious solution is to just get rid of testing altogether and unban all substances. It's ok to use some PERFORMANCE ENHANCERS, but not others? Let's be real, none of these guys are training on strictly food and water. This goes for ALL professional sports. Afraid of "drug cheats"? Don't become a professional athlete.

Open doping would lead to oneupmanship and boxers who look like anime characters, at which point the fight would become a freak show... When Floyd fought that Japanese kickboxer on Rizin I caught some of the undercard and there was some cabinet of curiosities type **** going on there including a woman built like Scott Steiner lol. I don’t think that would catch on. I’m sure most boxers are pushing the limits with regards to supplements and work, anything to get an advantage... However, I’m equally sure that none of that can substitute for skill and experience. Plus a lot of them are using it to cut weight, which means they’ll be drained and weakened on fight night. Take Jarrell Miller for example... he could juice himself to the gills and still stand 0 chance of beating or even competing with an AJ or Usyk. You are a wise guy. But neither is your fault, not mine, people want gladiators. If everything was tight -- the last true natural champ was Sonny Liston ?

Open doping would lead to oneupmanship and boxers who look like anime characters, at which point the fight would become a freak show... When Floyd fought that Japanese kickboxer on Rizin I caught some of the undercard and there was some cabinet of curiosities type **** going on there including a woman built like Scott Steiner lol. I don’t think that would catch on. I’m sure most boxers are pushing the limits with regards to supplements and work, anything to get an advantage... However, I’m equally sure that none of that can substitute for skill and experience. Plus a lot of them are using it to cut weight, which means they’ll be drained and weakened on fight night. Take Jarrell Miller for example... he could juice himself to the gills and still stand 0 chance of beating or even competing with an AJ or Usyk.

Man they should put testing back where it was in 90s, tired of seeing these fights cancelled No need to cancel anything if we are back to free world. Volenti non fit iniuria

Man they should put testing back where it was in 90s, tired of seeing these fights cancelled

they didn't shoot them, they chased after them and killed them with their bare hands and ate them raw, testicles and all I don't believe that for a second. I just looked up a dozen articles on Feral Pigs. First the boars weigh from about 250 lbs to 500 lbs, have no visible neck, have a 2+ inch of cutaneous sheathing below the skin, are very strong, fast and elusive, miniature bulls, with their tusks and about 40-50 teeth, They have TWO coats of hair, very thick skins, There is a closely estimated 600-1000 feral pigs loose in the U.K. scattered over 90,000 sq miles , in maybe a dozen locations, amid 65 million people. Males are about 3 ft high at the shoulder and about 6+_feet long.(one was shot recently 8 1/2 ft long) BIG animals, nocturnal and shy, but ferocious when cornered and dangerous.. and....well...and how would they have been able, first to find, then to corner, then to kill with bare hands. Even "Robin Hood" and" Little John" together, couldn't do that. They are nocturnal, and hide in forests. They are VERY fast and elusive if on the defensive. NO....I just don't believe it.

IMO, two sport disciplines who suffer the most because of cheaters is LIGHTATHLETICS and BOXING. I love LA andf I love boxing. I do not want to see any Ben Johnsons and Evander Holyfields ANY ****ING MORE !

There are 65 million people in the UK .How would Fury be able to come across any, ready to be shot. And would he have a hunting licence and a licenced weapon. They seem to be a protected species. they didn't shoot them, they chased after them and killed them with their bare hands and ate them raw, testicles and all

I think some people will always try to gain an advantage so there will still be people attempting to cheat in the clean class. Yes, but if the system of controlling is sharp enough, it will do. I am not an expert but minimalizing the dosing will also minimalizing the effects, right ?

what happens if someone like fury who was just out one weekend with his bro hunting and eating wild boar gets busted, is that it for him and the clean league? I've always suspected that wild bar story. Maybe it's true. But I've just looked it up. they are very suspicious animals and shy away from intruders. AND in the whole of the UK. England Scotland and Wales there are only a closely estimated 2,000, scattered in several bunches in maybe a dozen different places. There are 65 million people in the UK .How would Fury be able to come across any, ready to be shot. And would he have a hunting licence and a licenced weapon. They seem to be a protected species. All questions never asked nor mentioned. His story may be true, but has anyone tested a wild boar to see if it contains a large quantity of the banned PED, enough that a few mouthfuls would have Fury banned.?? There are NO scientific studies on it.

Well, I am assuming two things: - first, cheaters will have their own division where, most probably knowing how much people like to watch freaks, the money involved could be even bigger than in the "clean" division; besides, cheaters will be aware they should beat a "clean" guy, it would be no big achievement; thus, why should they want to do it ? just to show to be the best "natural" over there ? - secondly, the doping control will be able to be on a much better level, everyone will have a chance in the other division, no need to hide over dead bodies. I think some people will always try to gain an advantage so there will still be people attempting to cheat in the clean class.