Why isn’t hair follicle testing the standard in boxing?

Ditto on Kovalev

lol @ Tyson Fury But it’s a serious question due to the fact that VADA/WADA/USADA all have had problems catching fighters at one point and another and they all have cut off dates unless you specifically sign up for 365 but then you have to pay out of pocket which is mad expensive! I just saw that VADA tests costs generally $2,2500 an with combat sports its between $7,500 to $11,000 which with a fighter having to give their cut to their promoter, manager(s), trainer, S&C coach?, nutritionist?, sparring partners, then Uncle Sam, I can see why in a poor mans sport such as boxing that some fighters refuse it for those circumstances alone especially if they already don’t make much! Hair follicle tests I read up on can detect much farther contaminations than blood or urine and it seems even cheaper which is why I asked why isn’t it the standard! I know what you mean and I agree. Testing hair would probably be more effective than blood or urine because I don’t know of a masking agent for hair.

Nice jokes, but seriously, hair follicle tests seem cheaper an more effective than blood an urine so why isn’t it used? Seems to me like the commissions see it as a business opportunity to use VADA since it’s more expensive an more recognizably used to look like they’re doing their jobs! IMO I think they know most of the fighters at the top are on something an turn a blind eye to it for the money vs using a more efficient testing like hair follicle where it could take the allure away from the top earners thus hurting their bottom line! I believe that VADA is the cheapest. Originally, I think it was free for poorer boxers, and voluntarily funded by Promoters wealthy boxers and managers to keep it going. . Dr. Margaret Goodman, the well known ring doctor, founded it. I suppose now it costs, but it does the best testing. I know that they didn't have to pay taxes and any contributions or cost could be tax deductible.

I’m just here to make you think, if the testing in today’s boxing has improved, what does that say about the drug testing of back then or if there was even testing during the 40’s and 50’s!? Shane Mosley is a perfect example of someone who never got caught but admitted he took PED’s, so if Shane never got caught then how many other fighters in the past and present an possibly future will never be caught but was on some PED? We all know the testing should be 365 as long as a fighter is active, with how dangerous the sport is and how the commission an sanctioning bodies are paid in full, how come what some may consider the most rigorous an elite drug testing the hair follicle tests not enforced as the standard in boxing? Should hair follicle tests be the standard? Is it too expensive to do? And if so how much does a hair follicle test cost since the test picks up any contamination several months to near a year?! - -What Grade U in? BALCO Shane carries that shame to his Grave. Favorable Hair follicle testing results didn't do squat for Canelo other than an extra 6 months to hone his desire to beat the DingDongs merrily outta Golovkin. Apes can't even run a credible Prez election, so why U apes hold boxers to higher standards than U apes could ever understand is the question U should be asking. 2nd grade?

I’m just here to make you think, if the testing in today’s boxing has improved, what does that say about the drug testing of back then or if there was even testing during the 40’s and 50’s!? Shane Mosley is a perfect example of someone who never got caught but admitted he took PED’s, so if Shane never got caught then how many other fighters in the past and present an possibly future will never be caught but was on some PED? We all know the testing should be 365 as long as a fighter is active, with how dangerous the sport is and how the commission an sanctioning bodies are paid in full, how come what some may consider the most rigorous an elite drug testing the hair follicle tests not enforced as the standard in boxing? Should hair follicle tests be the standard? Is it too expensive to do? And if so how much does a hair follicle test cost since the test picks up any contamination several months to near a year?! Apparently it's not reliable enough. The drugs get concentrated by different amounts in the hair according to the hair color of the person. Two people taking the same amount of a banned drug can have very differerent concentration in their hair.

I’m just here to make you think, if the testing in today’s boxing has improved, what does that say about the drug testing of back then or if there was even testing during the 40’s and 50’s!? Shane Mosley is a perfect example of someone who never got caught but admitted he took PED’s, so if Shane never got caught then how many other fighters in the past and present an possibly future will never be caught but was on some PED? We all know the testing should be 365 as long as a fighter is active, with how dangerous the sport is and how the commission an sanctioning bodies are paid in full, how come what some may consider the most rigorous an elite drug testing the hair follicle tests not enforced as the standard in boxing? Should hair follicle tests be the standard? Is it too expensive to do? And if so how much does a hair follicle test cost since the test picks up any contamination several months to near a year?! Just have a Doctor check testosterone level test which is cheaper and check for testicle shrinkage .

They had mentioned during the Canelo/Clen saga that hair follicle testing didn't work on certain hair types. Ironically, red hair was one of them. Clenbuterol is detectible in hair cos it bonds to melanin which there's obviously more of in darker hair than lighter hair so dark haired folk will tend to show up with higher concentrations in the hair strand. Thing is whilst the shades of blond and dark hairs are defined by the concentration of eumelanin it turns out that redheads and gingers are actually kinda mutants and have a different type of melenin altogether known as pheomelanin. Since redheads are kinda rare and research into Clen ain'r exactly a massive thing there simply hasn't been enough samples to know what kinda concentrations would be expected from different intakes of Clen in redheads... in fact there ain't really much consensus even on blond hair types which can sometimes produce a negative at dosage levels which would give a positive in darker hair. Research is ongoing though... that was the state of play a coupla years back so maybe they got something better now,

Not defending Canelo at all but where have you read that at? I found that they do need a certain amount to make it work effectively but never seen a hair type being a problem. Don't remember the exact place I read it, but Ring Magazine mentioned it, which is why they stripped him even with the negative hair follicle test.

So we can all agree that everyone in boxing knows likely someone is on something and is looking to get some type of advantage even if the chances are slim! Pretty much this ^

I haven't looked up the cost of that testing but I thought it would be more expensive. Still, these people (promoters) will lose too much with these fighters So we can all agree that everyone in boxing knows likely someone is on something and is looking to get some type of advantage even if the chances are slim!

That **** unreliable. Dudes been watching too much Forensic Files.

They had mentioned during the Canelo/Clen saga that hair follicle testing didn't work on certain hair types. Ironically, red hair was one of them. Not defending Canelo at all but where have you read that at? I found that they do need a certain amount to make it work effectively but never seen a hair type being a problem.

I looked up hair follicle tests cost and it seems very cheap in comparison to VADA tests or blood an urine testing! Where have you seen other prices for hair follicle tests? I agree with what you said about everything else! I haven't looked up the cost of that testing but I thought it would be more expensive. Still, these people (promoters) will lose too much with these fighters

They had mentioned during the Canelo/Clen saga that hair follicle testing didn't work on certain hair types. Ironically, red hair was one of them.

Yeah, could be something like that I havn't read up on it for ages, i just presume once u are 'on vada' u are good to go but i don't fully know what that means. Is it all year random testing at any time off/on season etc I presume having more tools in the box to catch cheaters is better & hair sounds good level playing field is important, i suspect it's far too easy for cheaters to cheat when they are not on notice all year round I think you have to pay out of pocket for year round testing like Canelo did, Nonito did for awhile and I think still do and Jarell Miller is doing now! It’s pretty expensive an kind of shows the lack of oversight an how money is more important than integrity in the sport and in fact in all of sports too as well! IMO I just think hair follicle should be the standard or just let all fighters use a standard PED that helps specifically with recovery during an after training camp!

IMO I think they know most of the fighters at the top are on something an turn a blind eye to it for the money vs using a more efficient testing like hair follicle where it could take the allure away from the top earners thus hurting their bottom line! Yeah, could be something like that I havn't read up on it for ages, i just presume once u are 'on vada' u are good to go but i don't fully know what that means. Is it all year random testing at any time off/on season etc I presume having more tools in the box to catch cheaters is better & hair sounds good level playing field is important, i suspect it's far too easy for cheaters to cheat when they are not on notice all year round

Too many fighters will test dirty. Plus those test are expensive. = Promoters, networks lose money. I looked up hair follicle tests cost and it seems very cheap in comparison to VADA tests or blood an urine testing! Where have you seen other prices for hair follicle tests? I agree with what you said about everything else!

Too many fighters will test dirty. Plus those test are expensive. = Promoters, networks lose money.

i can picture the testers knocking on furys door, tyson, we want a few of your pubes Nice jokes, but seriously, hair follicle tests seem cheaper an more effective than blood an urine so why isn’t it used? Seems to me like the commissions see it as a business opportunity to use VADA since it’s more expensive an more recognizably used to look like they’re doing their jobs! IMO I think they know most of the fighters at the top are on something an turn a blind eye to it for the money vs using a more efficient testing like hair follicle where it could take the allure away from the top earners thus hurting their bottom line!

i can picture the testers knocking on furys door, tyson, we want a few of your pubes