Hell yea I am. Lalonde was a joke. Kalulu fought all of his fights in Denmark. I grew during his time and never heard of him. Nobody saw him on tv either, he never really beat anybody unless you count Seales on his home turf.
Green? Never fought anybody and all of his fights were in the UK. Never heard of him until now and you haven't either until you looked on Rays record on Boxrec. You need to chill lol.
Ayub Kalulu who was a world champion at 154lbs when Leonard beat him isn't a significant win but Augustus a journeyman with nearly a 50-50 record is? Kalulu who won his world title in Japan against the Japanese champion only fought in Denmark?
And he only beat Sugar Ray Seales? I guess we're going to ignore Sumbu Kalambay who went on to be world champion at Middleweight.
You don't know much about Leonard's career so I would see why you wouldn't know who Dave Green is. Not saying he was the greatest but he was clearly on par with at least half the fights you named for Mayweather.
Gotta go with Ray, Hearns, Duran and Hagler alone are enough.
Plus I’d replace Oscar with Hatton since Oscar wasn’t in Prime while Hatton was a ATG in his prime.
accidentally voted for floyd but Leonard obviously. His first fight with Hearns where he was losing badly and knocked him out is better than any floyd victory.
Most people forget the Duran fight Ray won that meant something was dead even and Duran quit out of frustration and being out of shape. Kind of a shallow victory if you think about it.
On the other hand, Floyd dominated Pacquiao. I think I gave Manny like 2 rounds. Ray wasn't dominating Duran in their second fight in the slightest.
Duran, Hearns, Hagler, Benetiz are literally the only names on Leonard's record victory wise.
Pacquiao, Maidana, Alvarez, Cotto, Mosley, Marquez, Hatton, Oscar, Judah, Gatti, Corley, Castillo, Hernandez, Corrales, Augustus are all good wins and great names.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge Leonard fan but the majority of his resume is fluff.
Hold on, if you're seriously going to count guys like Maidana, Corrales, Corley, Hernandez, Judah, Gatti, and especially Augustus as names for one's record then you'll have to count Ayub Kalulu, Dave Green, and Donny Lalonde for Sugar Ray Leonard.
That's not even one of Leonard's best wins, that fight is comparable to Floyd's win over Canelo in that they were both catchweight fights and the bigger fighter had to move down in weight. Catchweights sullies fights.
Edit: It was for the 168 crown, but the point being was that the bigger fighter had to move down in weight.
Look up SRL's underrated W vs Ayub Kalule for the 154 crown, that win alone craps all over May's record.
I was about to say that oo. He destroyed Kalule.
Those 17 votes mines included for Leonard warmed my heart.
Leonard’s resume and career are levels above Mayweather. Head to head Leonard would’ve beat him as well prime for prime.
i definitely agree. Leonard would over whelm Floyd with speed and power. Floyd would be so hesitant to throw , that he would bever throw enough to win a round.
That's not even one of Leonard's best wins, that fight is comparable to Floyd's win over Canelo in that they were both catchweight fights and the bigger fighter had to move down in weight. Catchweights sullies fights.
Edit: It was for the 168 crown, but the point being was that the bigger fighter had to move down in weight.
Look up SRL's underrated W vs Ayub Kalule for the 154 crown, that win alone craps all over May's record.
I know my boxing, don’t lecture me about boxing history kid.
Leonard has Hagler, Duran, Hearns, Benitez, Lalonde.
Mayweather has Canelo, Pacquiao, Oscar, Cotto, Corrales.
Who has the better top 5 wins?
That's not even one of Leonard's best wins, that fight is comparable to Floyd's win over Canelo in that they were both catchweight fights and the bigger fighter had to move down in weight. Catchweights sullies fights.
Edit: It was for the 168 crown, but the point being was that the bigger fighter had to move down in weight.
Look up SRL's underrated W vs Ayub Kalule for the 154 crown, that win alone craps all over May's record.
Most people forget the Duran fight Ray won that meant something was dead even and Duran quit out of frustration and being out of shape. Kind of a shallow victory if you think about it.
On the other hand, Floyd dominated Pacquiao. I think I gave Manny like 2 rounds. Ray wasn't dominating Duran in their second fight in the slightest.
Duran, Hearns, Hagler, Benetiz are literally the only names on Leonard's record victory wise.
Pacquiao, Maidana, Alvarez, Cotto, Mosley, Marquez, Hatton, Oscar, Judah, Gatti, Corley, Castillo, Hernandez, Corrales, Augustus are all good wins and great names.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge Leonard fan but the majority of his resume is fluff.
I’m a huge fan of Mayweather as well but I disagree here but thanks for responding!
Of the wins you mentioned, most of those Occurred at Lightweight were I agree Money was amazing, Not 147.
Above 135 Mayweather was an excellent match maker but it’s all down hill in terms of legit threats. Leonard fought and beat the best in 15 rd wars.
Those 15 rd wars displayed levels of skill not seen to this day. Those fighters would absolutely destroy today’s very good welterweight division.
Tommy Hearns at 147 would
Wipe the floor with everybody today Floyd included at 147.
Wilfred Benitez was a defensive mastermind and He’d wreck Spence and Crawford.
Also downplaying Leonard outside of the fab 4 is wrong as well especially since you included Maidana, Hatton etc.
Dave Green, Bruce Finich, Ayub Kalule were all very good fighters.
At 147 Mayweather never stopped anybody of note and remember he broke his hands first against Carlos Hernandez at Lightweight. Those brittle hands in the 80’s would have been disastrous for Mayweather.
I disagree brother but still respect the reply!
This isn't even a question.
I grew up just short of the Mayweather "phase", yet from what I've been able to see and experience so far, THERE NO COMPARISION. Duran has a HIGH chance to beat Mayweather and I'd even say he's the betting favorite. But, Hagler, Hagler destroys Mayweather, sorry Mayweather fanboys.....
Those 17 votes mines included for Leonard warmed my heart.
Leonard’s resume and career are levels above Mayweather. Head to head Leonard would’ve beat him as well prime for prime.
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