Why do Floyd die hards pretend Floyd didn't brag about weightdraining young gingers?

I will say 1 thing Canelo was 1 dumb mofcka for accepting the cw,this wasn't Floyds fault for capitalising (it just means it takes some luster off the win & means he doesn't have full bragging rights about"schooling Canelo")he had no business being so overconfident in thinking hed still bully Floyd,he learned everything in that fight though & has since become a much better fighter & gotten a much better resume because of it. Floyd made Canelo a much better fighter altogether by schooling him in the ring. Most importantly he learned to never go down in weight after that & since then hes learned that hes better at higher weights than when he used to drain to jmw(He also hedged his bets when testing the waters at higher weights vs much bigger fighters like Jr whom he should've fought at 168 but he didn't know how difficult it would be, just as Floyd forced 152 but Floyd & his dad both said before the fight it was intentional & they actually wanted him all the way down to 150 or 147 even despite fighting Cotto at 154,& the situations are still different,I also don't agree that 10 lb next morning rehydration is remotely equal .) So Floyd deserves credit for giving Canelo a boxing lesson inside the ring & in negotiations (Canelo was young dumb & full of cum sorta speak,he thought "even at a weakened state I'll still bully lil ww Floyd)

So no videos of Floyd Jnr bragging ? maybe its BS. Geez I can't believe theres still ppl deluded enough to think Floyd didn't say that,it was on all access for the fight .:pat: I guess Floyd had it deleted from YouTube because its no longer there like it used to be,if anyone has the all access recorded that'd clear this up. This is referencing over a yr before the fight when Chepo told Boxingscene hed move down to get the Floyd fight

So no videos of Floyd Jnr bragging ? maybe its BS.

Would you consider it weightdraining if Canelo forced Benevidez down to 165?(considering him like Canelo was already draining himself to make weight,& unlike Floyd vs Canelo, Canelo would also be giving up height & reach) If they force a fighter to come down yes. If two stars make a concession then no. Like I said before, I rather they had fought at 154 to avoid all this back and forth.

Any one got a video link of Floyd Jnr bragging about a CW I cant find any ?

Floyd for years claimed Pacs CW wins don't count (I agree that pacs win over DLH has an asterisk too btw) And I'm not saying a fully hydrated Canelo wouldnt have a natural advantage either,but a 152 Canelo was at a huge disadvantage & fought like a zombie (not because of Floyds skill either) (Floyd wouldn't have had such an easy time otherwise thats a fact because its common sense) Vs Canelo he forced Canelo down to 152 where he made clear he couldn't make without severely weakening himself,(what a coincidence he hadn't fought at that weight in years before he outgrew it),& then Floyd made several videos bragging about weightdraining Canelo so he wouldn't train & even said he had spies in his camp who informed him he was going to bed without eating. He then taunted Canelo with steak & lobster & bragged about how he is the best because he chooses the "straight up & down come forward" fighters who have no chance"(his own words) "yeah I pick opponents I know I can beat so what thats why I'm Undefeated & making millions,if I faced who everyone wanted I likely wouldn't be Undefeated & would lose my status as moneymaker,thats why I'm the best because I pick my opponents whom I know I'll beat,not whom haters want me to lose to"(paraphrase I'll find the vid later) He used to say he wanted his opponents at their beat unlike pac,he said"I faced DLH,Cotto,etc. at their weight unlike cw Pacquiao"(he wasn't lying.) But then he despite fighting at 154 already & having belts at 154 he never defended,he forced Canelo to fight in a drained state & thats a fact. So even though Mayweather would've been at a disadvantage by fighting Canelo at 154 thats the REAL canelo,& beating 152 Canelo shouldn't be rewarded the same credit.[/QUOTE let it go. He learned a lot from that. And learned on his next lost too. The one against Lara. He will avoid an slick, fast and defensive fighter. That's experience. Look how he does it to his opponents now

Floyd for years claimed Pacs CW wins don't count (I agree that pacs win over DLH has an asterisk too btw) And I'm not saying a fully hydrated Canelo wouldnt have a natural advantage either,but a 152 Canelo was at a huge disadvantage & fought like a zombie (not because of Floyds skill either) (Floyd wouldn't have had such an easy time otherwise thats a fact because its common sense) Vs Canelo he forced Canelo down to 152 where he made clear he couldn't make without severely weakening himself,(what a coincidence he hadn't fought at that weight in years before he outgrew it),& then Floyd made several videos bragging about weightdraining Canelo so he wouldn't train & even said he had spies in his camp who informed him he was going to bed without eating. He then taunted Canelo with steak & lobster & bragged about how he is the best because he chooses the "straight up & down come forward" fighters who have no chance"(his own words) "yeah I pick opponents I know I can beat so what thats why I'm Undefeated & making millions,if I faced who everyone wanted I likely wouldn't be Undefeated & would lose my status as moneymaker,thats why I'm the best because I pick my opponents whom I know I'll beat,not whom haters want me to lose to"(paraphrase I'll find the vid later) He used to say he wanted his opponents at their beat unlike pac,he said"I faced DLH,Cotto,etc. at their weight unlike cw Pacquiao"(he wasn't lying.) But then he despite fighting at 154 already & having belts at 154 he never defended,he forced Canelo to fight in a drained state & thats a fact. So even though Mayweather would've been at a disadvantage by fighting Canelo at 154 thats the REAL canelo,& beating 152 Canelo shouldn't be rewarded the same credit.[/QUOTE let it go. He learned a lot from that. And learned on his next lost too. The one against Lara. He will avoid an slick, fast and defensive fighter. That's experience

It was Canelo's team that suggested the catch weight. It doesnt matter either way because Canelo wasnt beating Floyd that night. This experienced version of Canelo tho...Floyd would never fight.

Yea I know. I was just sharing it with you too. Those quotes always get a laugh from me with how shameless they are. I think its more shameless to do it and say nothing.

It's part of the game. Every cash cow Side A prize fighter does it. I would do it too and.. you would do it too. Stop lying to yourself. You know you would. The perks of being on Side A I keep stating this isn't about Floyd being a evil cheater(hes not),this is merely about whether or not Floyd deserved full credit despite intentionally putting his opponent at a huge disadvantage (his & snrs own words) Just as Canelo doesnt deserve much credit for Khan because he dragged him up & he was already a glass chin,or vs Jr whoms a bum & wasn't at his best,fighters sometimes hedge their bets like this situation & afterwards Floyd is eternally lauded for"schooling Canelo",thats the part that doesn't make sense because fans are acting like Canelo wouldnt have been stronger at 154 & as if he wasn't handicapped Iow they make it seem that Floyd didn't drag him down to weaken him then still schooled him for the ages,in every Canelo video on YouTube you'll see countless fans saying how Canelo was dominated by Floyd as if its cut & dry when theres a bit more to it.(I'm not even arguing Canelo would've won, I'm arguing he wouldn't have gotten beat so badly)

It's part of the game. Every cash cow Side A prize fighter does it. I would do it too and.. you would do it too. Stop lying to yourself. You know you would. The perks of being on Side A It ruins and unlegitimizes the sport. This whole A side B side thing. You should get more money, yes. But that's where it ends. No unfair advantages and other bull**** a world title fight has to be fair. Floyd did it. Manny was worse. But Canelo took it to a whole new level.

OH I agree with you completely,Ellerbe was always very open about not caring about giving Floyd every advantage possible so he would have the odds in his favor.(I think thats fair but it also means the win shouldn't receive the same exact credit as at 154) Yea I know. I was just sharing it with you too. Those quotes always get a laugh from me with how shameless they are.

It's part of the game. Every cash cow Side A prize fighter does it. I would do it too and.. you would do it too. Stop lying to yourself. You know you would. The perks of being on Side A

If boxing actually had real rules, 1 belt per division, 1 set of rankings, mandatory defenses, less weight classes, we wouldn't have any of these arguments. The sport has become a joke.

We shouldn't even have catchweights when we have way too many weight classes. Go back to the original weight classes. 135, 147, 160, 175......

2011 soon after baby Nelo had fought Hatton at 150lb’s https://www.badlefthook.com/2011/11/29/2595763/floyd-mayweather-next-fight-canelo-alvarez-150-pound-catchweight-hbo-boxing-news Fight happened in late 2013. Ellerbe’s quote. https://eu.usatoday.com/story/sports/boxing/2013/09/11/canelo-alvarez-floyd-mayweather-super-welterweight-152-pounds-catchweight/2802237/ OH I agree with you completely,Ellerbe was always very open about not caring about giving Floyd every advantage possible so he would have the odds in his favor.(I think thats fair but it also means the win shouldn't receive the same exact credit as at 154)

If you watched the vid I just posted Floyd Senior even said he wanted Canelo drained to 150 & he even like Floyd bragged about how Canelo is a straight up & down 1 dimensional fighter who'll be starving from having to make weight & will eat a ton after weigh in which will cause him to be weakened especially to the body. I remember the scenario like it happened yesterday too,Floyd after agreeing to the fight decided to use a very old Boxingscene article to force Canelo to 150,& Canelo was very honest & upfront & said he had completely outgrown the ability to make 152,but Floyd made it a take it or leave it offer. Check Mayweather/Canelo All Access Episode 2 around the 11 minute mark. 2011 boxingscene link, soon after baby Nelo had fought Hatton at 150lb’s and people were laughing at his attempted shoulder rolls vs Gomez. https://www.boxingscene.com/saul-alvarez-ill-drop-150-floyd-mayweather-jr--46563 "It's what I want, the Mayweather fight. That's what we put on the table. I feel more mature and for that I am willing to go down to 150 pounds," said Canelo to Sal Rodriguez. "De la Hoya said he was going to pursue the Mayweather fight . We are ready for it. It's what people want, for me to fight someone like ." Fight happened in late 2013. Ellerbe’s quote. https://eu.usatoday.com/story/sports/boxing/2013/09/11/canelo-alvarez-floyd-mayweather-super-welterweight-152-pounds-catchweight/2802237/ Mayweather Promotions CEO Leonard Ellerbe said it was simply the "A-side" fighter getting the upside over the "B-side" fighter. Mayweather usually fights at 147 pounds. "We just took advantage of a situation. It's no different from basketball, football or baseball," he said. "You're always going to put your opposition at a disadvantage, if you can. You break 'em down and you go in for the kill. "The kid suggested a while ago that he would be willing to come down to fight Floyd at 150. So if he put it out there ... this is business at the end of the day, and we're going to hold his feet to the fire, and his manager the same way."

I know plenty of Kazakhs personally and these guys are big dudes. Their culture are heavy meat eaters. I know you’re trolling with dat username too doe ;) you guys always come out when the discussions are to defend Mr. “168 is easy for me”. I don't even like GGG if you read the rest of my posts you'd see. Actually, I used to sorta like him but he lost me when he didn't fight Ward. I'm just stating that he's carrying around more bf at the weigh in than Canelo.

Check Mayweather/Canelo All Access Episode 2 around the 11 minute mark. Would you consider it weightdraining if Canelo forced Benevidez down to 165?(considering him like Canelo was already draining himself to make weight,& unlike Floyd vs Canelo, Canelo would also be giving up height & reach)

You’re talking about the 150lb catchweight and it did come a year or two before they entered negotiations. Check Mayweather/Canelo All Access Episode 2 around the 11 minute mark.