Pac beats Bud

If they fight, I see Pac winning the early rounds, but Crawford will take over in the middle rounds and pick Pac apart. He's really not the same fighter he was, I rewatched the Thurman fight and it was a lot closer than a lot of people remember it. If Pac didn't knock Thurman down or hurt him with the body shot in the later, he would have lost those rounds and possibly the fight. He started fast and looked sharp, but faded in the middle rounds. I think Manny would last the distance and lose a decision against Crawford, he's still quick and still has the power to keep Bud off him. When Crawford knows his opponent has nothing left, he'll swarm him and go for the finish. Pac always has something left if he can find the openings, Crawford won't be so reckless.

Kell Brook is an average joe now? Manny beats Keith Thurman off of a 2 year layoff and you guys swear he's invincible. Crawford would beat him black and blue & i like Pacquiao. That's just my honest assesment. kell brook's career defining moment was a close win over porter more than 6 years ago. his face has been broken twice in those 6 years. he really cant make 147 in a healthy manor but will do it for the right price

I think Floyd should come out of retirement and Fight one of the guys he ducked

Oh, so no, you don’t get it. Ok that’s cool. You prove yourself in the ring, not training camp.

What good is ability if you can't win ? Talking about watering down the term elite. Oh, so no, you don’t get it. Ok that’s cool.

Oh you rushing, rushing huh? He has elite boxing ability. That’s different than elite as a whole, do you get it? What good is ability if you can't win ? Talking about watering down the term elite.

Brook was never elite. Especially the one Bud fought. Oh you rushing, rushing huh? He has elite boxing ability. That’s different than elite as a whole, do you get it?

Brook now is only the shadow of fighter from Spence fight. I agree but the style of Spence suited Kell a lot better than TCs crisp sharp missiles, explosive power with pin point timing is a different animal to fight than a pressure guy like Spence. Errol doesnt have the explosive snap that TC has thats why TC is vulnerable and also so very dangerous.

I saw this fight for what it was, but the same traits that made brook competitive versus Spence showed up today. Elite boxing ability, strength, strong jab. He got ko’d, but those traits didn’t look worse than with Spence. Only difference was Spence is more conventional which fits into brooks style better, Crawford’s timing is different. To say this is a totally different Brook, well maybe i guess but why would one say that? Brook was never elite. Especially the one Bud fought.

Brook now is only the shadow of fighter from Spence fight. That’s a reach. Just because someone loses doesn’t make them tainted goods forever. He got caught. But he was doing well in the fight, wasn’t gassed, and still could make noise at 154 if dedicated.

It doesnt matter who wins the first few rounds of a 12 rnd championship fight, most greats give away a few rounds in finding the holes, great fighters are about the long game, while everubody is fresh rounds can be won on speed alone, pitter pater, but when the fight starts to break out the greats power up. Its amazing how fans pile so much emphasis on something that is meaningless in the big picture. I saw this fight for what it was, but the same traits that made brook competitive versus Spence showed up today. Elite boxing ability, strength, strong jab. He got ko’d, but those traits didn’t look worse than with Spence. Only difference was Spence is more conventional which fits into brooks style better, Crawford’s timing is different. To say this is a totally different Brook, well maybe i guess but why would one say that?

Hmmm I don’t know. Brook was clearly beating Spence in multiple rounds. Porter fights really hard, but he wasn’t just clearly taking fight from Spence like Brook. And brook was leading the fight tonight it wasn’t like a straight beating Brook now is only the shadow of fighter from Spence fight.

Hmmm I don’t know. Brook was clearly beating Spence in multiple rounds. Porter fights really hard, but he wasn’t just clearly taking fight from Spence like Brook. And brook was leading the fight tonight it wasn’t like a straight beating It doesnt matter who wins the first few rounds of a 12 rnd championship fight, most greats give away a few rounds in finding the holes, great fighters are about the long game, while everubody is fresh rounds can be won on speed alone, pitter pater, but when the fight starts to break out the greats power up. Its amazing how fans pile so much emphasis on something that is meaningless in the big picture.

Context matters: -Thurman trained at LA fitness for the Lopez fight :lol1: -Lost two scary rounds to Lopez but gave Lopez 10 rounds of beatdowns and even dropped Lopez. -Lopez trained his butt off for that fight like his whole career was at stake -Again, Thurman trained at LA fitness :lol1: -Lopez stops Molina in his next fight. Maidana stopped a better Lopez.

Not likely. Spence`s best win is Porter. This version of Porter is better than this version of Brook or version of Brook Spence fought. Hmmm I don’t know. Brook was clearly beating Spence in multiple rounds. Porter fights really hard, but he wasn’t just clearly taking fight from Spence like Brook. And brook was leading the fight tonight it wasn’t like a straight beating

My point is they got true tests, win or lose. Crawford has not been tested at the same level. My point is that might say something in itself.

If the money is right go for it. Pac's wish list - McGregor Mikey Talking Bradley out of retirement Broner rematch

Thurman was coming off a 2 year LAYOFF, he had a really bad coming back fight against Josesito Lopez Context matters: -Thurman trained at LA fitness for the Lopez fight :lol1: -Lost two scary rounds to Lopez but gave Lopez 10 rounds of beatdowns and even dropped Lopez. -Lopez trained his butt off for that fight like his whole career was at stake -Again, Thurman trained at LA fitness :lol1: -Lopez stops Molina in his next fight.

Spences best fight is brook My point is they got true tests, win or lose. Crawford has not been tested at the same level.

As if Arum is going to risk finding out :lol1: Pac will never fight Bud