I like him, great fighter and seems to be a classy guy as well.
But I had a friend who said he was the best heavyweight of all time, and I know he is often mentioned in the top 5 or at least top 10 heavyweights of all time.
Once again, I think he was great, but I just hesitate a bit to rank him that high.
Prime Lewis got dropped and stopped by two good-average heavyweights in McCall and Rahman. But they weren’t elites or anything.
On the other hand, some heavyweights in their primes, whether those primes were long or short, seemed virtually invincible. So I sometimes have a hard time with Lewis being ranked above, say, Mike or Ali or Holyfield, Marciano, or even Furry. Those guys all had an “invincible” stage to their career, whereas Lewis seemingly did not.
and tua is a 0X world champion.
just a gatekeeper with a punch.
still a journeyman doe
fury is undefeated but lewis got massacred by bums ��
McDermott is a real bum and he should've gotten the decision against Fury. Rahman and McCall were world champions who beat other guys that won world championships besides just Lewis.
that glass chinned coward was ko twice.
both times by bums
and tua ko that clown first time LMAO YDKSAB 😂
Yes, Tua KO'd Rahman the first time. He also KO'd 2X heavyweight champion John Ruiz, 3X heavyweight champion Michael Moorer, and 1X heavyweight champion Oleg Maskaev. He was a great fighter and there's no shame in Rahman getting stopped by him, nor does that change the impressive performance out of Rahman in the rematch.
McCall got wins over Henry Akinwande, Oleg Maskaev, Bruce Seldon, old Larry Holmes, and Francesco Daimani.
So Lewis should be ashamed of losing to guys with resumes like that, but you let Fury slide for getting a gift against McDermott? Or getting put on his ass by Nevan Pajkic and Steve Cunningham?
Lennox Lewis gets knocked out by a 2X heavyweight champion in Hasim Rahman and you call him overrated.
Meanwhile, Tyson Fury arguably lost to John McDermott and you pick him to stop Lewis.
Makes sense. Rahman also stopped Corrie Sanders, beat Trevor Berbick, and took David Tua to a draw in a fight most thought Rahman won. McDermott's second best performance was... Matt Skelton?
Lennox Lewis is overrated while Fury is already an atg who gets compared favorably to former fighters who actually proved their all time greatness.
Nothing to do with race though.
nah I don't think it has to do with race, It's younger fans living in the social media era. Remember, these young fans were thinking Joshua had ATG talent until some obese Mexican showed up.
I like him, great fighter and seems to be a classy guy as well.
But I had a friend who said he was the best heavyweight of all time, and I know he is often mentioned in the top 5 or at least top 10 heavyweights of all time.
Once again, I think he was great, but I just hesitate a bit to rank him that high.
Prime Lewis got dropped and stopped by two good-average heavyweights in McCall and Rahman. But they weren’t elites or anything.
On the other hand, some heavyweights in their primes, whether those primes were long or short, seemed virtually invincible. So I sometimes have a hard time with Lewis being ranked above, say, Mike or Ali or Holyfield, Marciano, or even Furry. Those guys all had an “invincible” stage to their career, whereas Lewis seemingly did not.
Not overrated, one of the best HWs.
and in his best condition he got massacred by journeymen like rahman and mccall
Not really, Lennox Lewis was complacent that is all.
Miguel Cotto was massacred vs Antonio Margarito in their first fight 'That 1 fight change him for the rest of his career, when he finally came face to face with Margarito again? You could still see the trauma and apprehensiveness in Miguel Cotto still' The HBO face off was one of the darkness face off's, I had ever seen in boxing 'Margarito was chilling in demeanor'.
When Lennox Lewis came face to face with Hasim Rahman and Oliver McCalll 'There was no trauma, just payback'.
Wrong the lawsuit was because the WBC wouldn't let Lewis take a fight before the Tyson mandatory but were allowing Tyson to fight Mercer. He actually wanted Tyson removed as manadatory if the Mercer fight went ahead. Impossible for Lewis to force Tyson to fight if Tyson didn't want to. Tyson wanted that fight it was his cash out fight.
Lewis was going to fight Klitschko after the Johnson fight which is why Klitschko was on the undercard to help build the fight. When Johnson pulled out, Lewis fought Klitschko on short notice. Lewis was in the worst condition of his career and still beat him. Klitschko required over 60 stiches to his face and mouth. The young hungry lion couldn't beat the old out of shape Lewis.
Much boloney but partly true. Tyson himself said he didn't want to fight Lewis but was forced into it. I heard him on the screen stating it, to no comeback. That Klitschko was on the same card was because the promoters wanted it that way, to force Lewis' hand...to an extent. Lewis alternately derided and ignored Klitschko who, the whole year was demanding to fight him, and Lewis kept avoiding him. It was talked about amongst journalists, one of whom was a good friend of mine. There were s previous opportunities for that fight.
The only reason he DID fought him was because if he hadn't, the whole card was to be cancelled and he'd lose a fortune. He demanded an extra $4 mill for the fight with a guy he said was a nothing.
Why should he suddenly be out of condition. Johnson was a good fighter. Tharay mercer
t's only a Lewis fan excuse. "He took the fight at 10 days notice" etc. So did Klitschko who was scheduled to fight a ham and egger. In fact it was SEVEN days notice because Lewis haggled for the extra cash for 3-4 days. before agreeing.
By the way Lewis had already baten Mercer, and had taken a massive 7 rd continuous beating and KO, from Wladimir Klitschko the year before, and ......not least was about 43 years old and ready to retire. So he sounds like a good , suitable Lewis safe Opponent.
Lennox Lewis in his worst condition, bulled Vitali Kiltschko around the ring 'Kiltschko had his chance to beat Lennox Lewis and failed, at that stage of his career? There was no need for Lewis to continue on fighting etc.
This is no answer, and it's not true. You ignore the facts and the much literature this fight aftermath produced. No harm we have our own opinions. You also ignore the full details which I gave, and which were/are factually, true, undeniable-except by you and your pals_
Do you remember Lewis' bumptious remarks about "improving like fine wine"..and "I'm a Professor of Pugilism"...and other self-glorifying (embarrassing) statements he made before and after he got the beating of his life.
To me, a sickening creature, forgetting about Klitschko completely. He was always like that...Regardless of his high boxing ability. As obnoxious as Mayweather-in his own way.. NOT a sportsman.
As I say we can agree to differ.
Lennox is the GOAT. Being the GOAT doesn't mean unbeatable on a bad day or bad circumstance. He was not knocked out cold vs McCall--he was on his feet before the count of 10 and the ref waved it off. Vs Rahman he was filming Oceans Eleven, got into Africa a couple of days before the fight (not acclimated) and fought at 2 AM. LL on his best day beats any other fighter who has laced them up at least 6 times out of 10.
You said it ...absolutely. Tyson was well washed up then and didn't want to fight any more. Lewis either started a legal action or threatened to, if Tyson didn't fight him. So he did. And it was obvious from the beginning that he was only a shell. Lewis is a very common East London lower-class braggart pretending to be something he certainly is not. I come from over there and know all the accents. In London alone there are about 6-7 different accents before you get to the upper classes. There are social differences there from centuries ago, which they still thought were important.
I'm not denying that he was a good fighter, but he was on the verge of defeat in the Klitschko fight, when the dr. in a stupid moment told the ref to stop it. He gave 3-4 different excuses to exonerate himself afterwards when he realised that his reason for stopping it was not valid. The eyebrow cut was just flesh on bone with no major blood vessels nearby. The bleeding had stopped 2 rounds before. and was not bothering Klitschko at all. The 2 small surface cuts under his eye were no problem. Klitschko, to make a point, appeared on a special interview about 7 days after the fight, and he showed a close-up of the cut. There was no cut visible and no swelling at all.
Lewis on TV gave him absolutely no credit at all, only running him down. He was always very jealous of Both brothers for their educations, and high standing in the boxing world as ambassadors for the sport, as well as for their many charitable donations and foundations. It may not be generally known that Lewis was to fight Kirk Johnson, and had been avoiding Klitschko for a year. K. was the official #1 and Lewis ignored him. He demanded and got and extra $4 mill for fighting K. A few months after their fight Klitschko fought Kirk Johnson, and slaughtered him in a round and a half.
Lennox Lewis in his worst condition, bulled Vitali Kiltschko around the ring 'Kiltschko had his chance to beat Lennox Lewis and failed, at that stage of his career? There was no need for Lewis to continue on fighting etc.
Lennox Lewis is overrated while Fury is already an atg who gets compared favorably to former fighters who actually proved their all time greatness.
Nothing to do with race though.
Mike Tyson dropped WBC belt back in 1996 for fighting Holyfield instead of WBC challenger Lennox.
Lennox beat him when they fought. Mike can just blame him self that they didn`t fight before.
I really don't know. He'd hype it up and I wouldn't pay attention. I was always thinking "didn't this guy beat Tua not long before that? And super easy? Tf is he talking up this washed up Tyson win for?"
I was in secondary school when he fought Tyson, loads of kids fancied Tyson and I was betting against them all.
I remember coming in on the Monday and collecting about £50 in coins. :lol1:
Had a £3 on Lewis Round 8 as well at 25/1 as well.
Nah but he overrates his win against washed Tyson like crazy
You said it ...absolutely. Tyson was well washed up then and didn't want to fight any more. Lewis either started a legal action or threatened to, if Tyson didn't fight him. So he did. And it was obvious from the beginning that he was only a shell. Lewis is a very common East London lower-class braggart pretending to be something he certainly is not. I come from over there and know all the accents. In London alone there are about 6-7 different accents before you get to the upper classes. There are social differences there from centuries ago, which they still thought were important.
I'm not denying that he was a good fighter, but he was on the verge of defeat in the Klitschko fight, when the dr. in a stupid moment told the ref to stop it. He gave 3-4 different excuses to exonerate himself afterwards when he realised that his reason for stopping it was not valid. The eyebrow cut was just flesh on bone with no major blood vessels nearby. The bleeding had stopped 2 rounds before. and was not bothering Klitschko at all. The 2 small surface cuts under his eye were no problem. Klitschko, to make a point, appeared on a special interview about 7 days after the fight, and he showed a close-up of the cut. There was no cut visible and no swelling at all.
Lewis on TV gave him absolutely no credit at all, only running him down. He was always very jealous of Both brothers for their educations, and high standing in the boxing world as ambassadors for the sport, as well as for their many charitable donations and foundations. It may not be generally known that Lewis was to fight Kirk Johnson, and had been avoiding Klitschko for a year. K. was the official #1 and Lewis ignored him. He demanded and got and extra $4 mill for fighting K. A few months after their fight Klitschko fought Kirk Johnson, and slaughtered him in a round and a half.
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