The greatest What if? fight in combat history Bruce Lee vs Muhammad Ali

He never learned karate. He was never in a real fight except the one time against Judo Gene, and he LITERALLY crapped his pants. And Zito wasn't just a bodyguard. He was a Golden Gloves amateur, the son of a welterweight pro, and a former boxing trainer. He was a real fighter. Dude learned karate before Aikido man. He got his blackbelt from the same dude who trained pat Morita (spelling?) aka Mr Miyagi from karate kid. Legit legit. He’s supposed to be a pretty famous legit karate dude...I’d have to google his name though since that aint my world and I wouldnt wanna toss some random japanese name in. And you’re aware almost anyone can be a golden gloves fighter!? Winning is entirely diff

That didn’t help Van Damme from getting beat up by a celebrity bodyguard at a club. And Seagal pretty famously earned his black belt in karate under some famous karate teacher. He started with karate. He could be lying about Judo but it’s kind of doubtful considering he just claims it’s a regular black belt. It’s not like he’s making up being an underground boxing or thai boxing champ or something. I got Seagal over JCVD prime for prime, son! I’m going with size and delusions over less size and douchery He never learned karate. He was never in a real fight except the one time against Judo Gene, and he LITERALLY crapped his pants. And Zito wasn't just a bodyguard. He was a Golden Gloves amateur, the son of a welterweight pro, and a former boxing trainer. He was a real fighter.

He never trained in Judo or Karate. Ever. Just Aikido. He even lied about how long he lived in Japan. His wife's family ran an Aikido Dojo and that is the only martial arts training Seagal ever had. He is a fake tough guy. No fight record, no training in any practical martial art. Just Aikido. And JCVD was 18-1-0 in full contact pro kickboxing with 18 KOs, 44-4-0 in light contact kickboxing, he has a black belt in both Shotokan and Kyokushin, and he has trained in both Muay Thai and Taekwondo. Seagal is a total fraud. Any real martial artist would wreck him. That didn’t help Van Damme from getting beat up by a celebrity bodyguard at a club. And Seagal pretty famously earned his black belt in karate under some famous karate teacher. He started with karate. He could be lying about Judo but it’s kind of doubtful considering he just claims it’s a regular black belt. It’s not like he’s making up being an underground boxing or thai boxing champ or something. I got Seagal over JCVD prime for prime, son! I’m going with size and delusions over less size and douchery

Yes, it does. He doesn't have to have won any major tournaments. He was on the high school wrestling team. That's legitimate experience. What the hell more do you want? I don’t see any evidence he was even on the team. There’s nothing to suggest he has any legit experience as a wrestler.

Ali was the heavyweight champion of the world and made many millions in the ring as a prize fighter fighting and defeating other top fighters. Bruce Lee was was a skilled student of martial arts who made his living as a movie actor. In the movies anybody can eat up anybody. A small woman can beat up a big man with ease. One man can beat up 50 men at the same time, The camera can be sped up to make someone twice as fast as they really are. Bruce Lee was unbeatable and incredible in the movies but movies have nothing to do with real life and are just fantasy entertainment. In real life I don't think Bruce Lee ever fought and beat professional fighters or made any money fighting other fighters. Ali was a real life fighting champion and Bruce Lee was a movie champion. In a real life fight I think 210 pound Ali beats 140 pound Bruce Lee with ease and certainty. No contest. A very quick KO win for Ali. This aib't the movies.

It would like a man hitting a child. Meaning Lee (huge fan of the guy btw) would get KTFO. Way too much size difference. Especially for someone that does not have experience against ranked competition. Pacquiao is closer to Lee's size and even Pacquiao would mess him up.

Well, he trained Judo in Japan and karate when he first moved there. Unless you happen to know him and the s hit I’ve read about him was a lie and you know the truth? And no, JCVD couldn’t. Seagal got choked out by a real deal fighter. Jcv got beat up by the much smaller Chuck f ucking Zito. Lmao. In public. J He never trained in Judo or Karate. Ever. Just Aikido. He even lied about how long he lived in Japan. His wife's family ran an Aikido Dojo and that is the only martial arts training Seagal ever had. He is a fake tough guy. No fight record, no training in any practical martial art. Just Aikido. And JCVD was 18-1-0 in full contact pro kickboxing with 18 KOs, 44-4-0 in light contact kickboxing, he has a black belt in both Shotokan and Kyokushin, and he has trained in both Muay Thai and Taekwondo. Seagal is a total fraud. Any real martial artist would wreck him.

Seagal doesn't know any Judo or Karate. That's a flat out lie. The only martial art he's ever trained in is Aikido, which is fake. Seagal is a compulsive liar. Seagal cannot fight. Period. JCVD would've murdered him which is why he backed down from the fight. Well, he trained Judo in Japan and karate when he first moved there. Unless you happen to know him and the s hit I’ve read about him was a lie and you know the truth? And no, JCVD couldn’t. Seagal got choked out by a real deal fighter. Jcv got beat up by the much smaller Chuck f ucking Zito. Lmao. In public. J

Where did I equate high school wrestling with collegiate or Olympic wrestling? You said he has “legitimate amateur experience”, you made that claim. Now I’m asking for you to provide me with his credentials to back up this claim and the most we’ve got so far is “he wrestled in high school” Does that equate to “legitimate amateur experience” to you? Yes, it does. He doesn't have to have won any major tournaments. He was on the high school wrestling team. That's legitimate experience. What the hell more do you want?

Gene Labell would choke out 95% of the male population. Lmao that’s not even a bad thing to be choked out by him. That man was a problem for even your average fighter. Bruh. If you would have said almost anyone but Van Damme I’d have maybe agreed. Van Damme was too small. Aikido may be basically just choreographed s hit but Steven Seagal was also a black belt in Judo that he earned as a late teen/young adult, in addition to karate. His base was probably pretty f u king sturdy. Even if I don’t like him, I’ll give him that. Those sambo and judo and collegiate wrestlers have tree root like bases. Someone like Vam Damme or people with no grappling experience are going to get hurt. Seagal is like 6’4, 6’5? Have fun getting ragdolled by some giant. He’d take Van Damme’s life. I’d bet on it. Seagal doesn't know any Judo or Karate. That's a flat out lie. The only martial art he's ever trained in is Aikido, which is fake. Seagal is a compulsive liar. Seagal cannot fight. Period. JCVD would've murdered him which is why he backed down from the fight.

Lee himself admitted he stood no chance vs Ali.

I like how the word sop****re is censored.

In Bruce Lee prime he'd beat Ali. The ETD version when Lee was sick and lost so much weight not so certain

He cant even punch a bag properly, this guy is worse than i thought.

Again, the Rock wrestled in high school. Seagal is an Aikidoka. Aikido is not a legitimate martial art. They do not spar, they do not compete, they do not condition. It's just dance. Seagal is a joke and so is his martial art. Gene Labell choked Seagal out and made him crap his pants. 5'10" Jean Claude Van Damme challenged Seagal to a fight at Sylvester Stallone's house and Seagal wussed out. Van Damme was a former pro kickboxer so he would've destroyed Seagal. Gene Labell would choke out 95% of the male population. Lmao that’s not even a bad thing to be choked out by him. That man was a problem for even your average fighter. Bruh. If you would have said almost anyone but Van Damme I’d have maybe agreed. Van Damme was too small. Aikido may be basically just choreographed s hit but Steven Seagal was also a black belt in Judo that he earned as a late teen/young adult, in addition to karate. His base was probably pretty f u king sturdy. Even if I don’t like him, I’ll give him that. Those sambo and judo and collegiate wrestlers have tree root like bases. Someone like Vam Damme or people with no grappling experience are going to get hurt. Seagal is like 6’4, 6’5? Have fun getting ragdolled by some giant. He’d take Van Damme’s life. I’d bet on it.

At no point did I or anyone except you attempt to equate high school wrestling experience with Olympic or collegiate national championship level experience. All I said was that the Rock had some amateur experience. And he did: https://www.mcall.com/entertainment/mc-ent-dwayne-johnson-nbc- He also boxed some as a child: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8cehNuVbrk His father was a former boxer who sparred Ali and Foreman. He trained Dwayne. Where did I equate high school wrestling with collegiate or Olympic wrestling? You said he has “legitimate amateur experience”, you made that claim. Now I’m asking for you to provide me with his credentials to back up this claim and the most we’ve got so far is “he wrestled in high school” Does that equate to “legitimate amateur experience” to you?

Ok but where is your evidence that he wrestled in high school? This is the first I’ve heard it. Yes high school is amateur wrestling. What school did he wrestle for and what tournaments did he compete in? If he has “legitimate” experience then surely you can tell me his credentials. I can tell you Brock Lesnars wrestling credentials and I can tell you Kurt Angle’s wrestling credentials. What are The Rock’s? At no point did I or anyone except you attempt to equate high school wrestling experience with Olympic or collegiate national championship level experience. All I said was that the Rock had some amateur experience. And he did: Johnson began his sop****re year of high school in Honolulu but moved to Bethlehem the following year because of his father’s job. He played football at Freedom High School and was also a member of the school’s track and field and wrestling teams. https://www.mcall.com/entertainment/mc-ent-dwayne-johnson-nbc- He also boxed some as a child: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8cehNuVbrk His father was a former boxer who sparred Ali and Foreman. He trained Dwayne.

What part of "he wrestled in high school" is hard to understand? High school wrestling is amateur wrestling. It doesn't mean he's some incredible MMA-level fighter, but he has legitimate experience. Ok but where is your evidence that he wrestled in high school? This is the first I’ve heard it. Yes high school is amateur wrestling. What school did he wrestle for and what tournaments did he compete in? If he has “legitimate” experience then surely you can tell me his credentials. I can tell you Brock Lesnars wrestling credentials and I can tell you Kurt Angle’s wrestling credentials. What are The Rock’s?

Or even Tyson versus the slickster toney nowadays.

I'd still like to see rampage versus James toney at cruiserweight or heavyweight in boxing. It would be like Adrian Broner says: "this one is for the Hooda, h o o d, the hood."