Just To Be Clear On Exactly Who Moved The Trilogy Dates

With Haymon in the mix? I'm pretty sure they have this and more. I don't agree with the idiots screaming about how Wilder being silent equals Wilder not wanting the fight. Clearly, it's the promoters who have delayed. But, if they are trying to pull this nonsense and portray it as Wilder not being ready or not wanting the fight, if they are trying to use that to not honor a contract they broke via their own actions, Wilder kinda has to respond to that. For sure it's the promoters who have delayed. I'd still like to hear something from the Wilder side, though.

There's another aspect of this not being discussed that makes this an even bigger miscalculation by Arum and Warren. If they're going to deal from the bottom of the deck in this situation, why would Haymon do business with them again on other fights anytime soon?

I'm saying it's not December. In case you haven't heard the news yet, it expired in October.

Somebody needs to send this to Team Wilder and their lawyers. If they have any. With Haymon in the mix? I'm pretty sure they have this and more. I don't agree with the idiots screaming about how Wilder being silent equals Wilder not wanting the fight. Clearly, it's the promoters who have delayed. But, if they are trying to pull this nonsense and portray it as Wilder not being ready or not wanting the fight, if they are trying to use that to not honor a contract they broke via their own actions, Wilder kinda has to respond to that.

Unlike some folks posting here, I don't have amnesia. A few quotes... March 24: "You could not guarantee the fighters that the event would take place on that date," Arum said. "We couldn't convince them or ourselves. Where were they going to train for it? It just made no sense. You just have to take a step back. How are you going to sell tickets? It's absolutely ridiculous to say the fight is on when the Brits can't even get there." https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2882838-deontay-wilder-vs-tyson-fury-iii-delayed-amid-covid-19-pandemic.amp.html April 28th: "Bob Arum told SiNow he informed Tyson Fury that a third fight between Fury and Deontay Wilder would not take place until "November/December" at the earliest. Gate for Fury-Wilder II accounted for $17 million of the total revenue." https://sports.yahoo.com/deontay-wilder-in-luck-as-third-fight-vs-tyson-fury-postponed-until-late-2020-213235531.html August 10th: "And last week, Whyte's promoter Eddie Hearn issued a warning - stating that Fury-Wilder must happen in 2020 or he will push for Whyte to get his mandatory shot. But Arum is not the least bit worried - and indicates that Hearn tells him something totally different when they speak in private. “The WBC approved the trilogy contract and that provides for postponements. And certainly, if you can’t do it with spectators, a reasonable postponement would be okay. It’s a different kind of fight. The Fury vs Wilder fight in the United States is a major, major fight." And also August 10th: “All I know is that we are not ingrates. Tyson Fury, Top Rank, we were given the opportunity by Wilder… How do you turn your back on Wilder? That would be absolutely improper. gain, our goal is to do Fury and Wilder, and then if Fury wins, to go right to a Joshua fight plus a rematch. That’s where we stand. It would be an absolute travesty. All these mandatories, schmandatories. People are looking for what the public wants." https://www.boxingscene.com/arum-fury-wilder-happen-even-2021-then-joshua-whyte--150822 September 30th: “We’re moving off because there’s five conference championship games that day and night, plus two NFL games,” Arum said. “So we can’t go with the 19th; we’re looking at other dates right now because ESPN advised us, and Fox advised the PBC .” Also September 30th: “It’s definitely Allegiant Stadium,” Arum said. “The Raiders are on board, the city is on board, the convention authority is on board. Everybody is on board.” https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2020/9/30/21495900/tyson-fury-vs-deontay-wilder-iii-moving-off-december-19th-date-boxing-news None of this has been about Wilder delaying, showing any reluctance, or asking for any favors whatsoever. And by all reports, he's in great shape right now. Hope this helps... Somebody needs to send this to Team Wilder and their lawyers. If they have any.

This is the bottom line to me. I have no interest in a trilogy fight, but Wilder does & he called it in already before he was 100% from the rematch L I'd imagine. Then a fooking pandemic hit & we still haven't had a fight in the US or UK with full audience as far as I'm aware. Beyond getting into who did what with previous dates I think the pandemic issue is enough of an issue to prevent a fight happening next for either guy unless the other guy signs off on it. That's my NSB lawyer take anyway for whatever that's worth. I'll go you one further. If Wilder doesn't try to assert his legal rights, then I'm going to assume he doesn't want the fight at this time. But, for Arum and Warren- two of the guys directly responsible for the delays- to act like nothing is actionable for any supposed expiration caused directly by them not wanting to lose money on a contract they signed...that's hilarious. The contract had guarantees and those guarantees have to be paid by somebody.

I don't think that addresses what Wilder's doing in anyway. Of course it doesn't. Listen, he exercised his rematch clause within 30 days of his loss. The promoters, not Wilder, have pushed back the dates. So, if there is an expiration date in the contract (and no one has explained exactly how THAT works vis-a-vis postponement due to the pandemic), then it's the promoters who have caused the clause to expire, not Wilder. I'm no lawyer, but I'm guessing there's plenty there that's enforceable, if that's what Wilder wants.

Like I said, as far as we know Wilder is enacting his contract. Nothing here contradicts that. One side says they can fight now, the other says they can't. We will see. I'm a Wilder fan of course but that doesn't mean I want to see more sitting on ass and no fighting. Id' rather watch Fury vs Rivas or whatever than nothing, it just seems like a lot of talk atm though. His contract expires in Dec. Are you saying he might suddenly pop up and threaten Fury with legal action unless he fights him this year? Fury intends to take an interim fight in Dec, then go straight into the big one vs AJ next. If he fights Wilder again it will be as a voluntary, nothing to with the rematch clause.

Thanks for this, clears a lot up. Its Arum, and sheep just want to ignore facts Yep. Fanboys want what they want and they don't care about facts or lies. If it aligns with their fantasies, it's what they Stan for.

:lol1: Okay let me be more direct. No one's given me any reason to believe Wilder isn't trying to enforce his contract. All I've been given is Team Wilder are dragging too much ass and if Fury can fight this year he will with or without Wilder. What's to say enforcing would help him with that or that he isn't currently? It seems like they are arguing they have fulfilled the contract by waiting while Team Wilder argues back absolutely nothing publicly. The original deadline of Wilder's rematch clause was July this year. That was extended to Dec because of the Covid crisis. Last month, Bob Arum announced that the Allegiant Stadium, Vegas had been reserved for Dec 19th, as a possible venue for the fight. The only word from Wilder's side since then has come from Shelley Finkel, 2 days ago, who claimed he was trying to negotiate a date in 2021, by which time the rematch clause will be null and void.

I don't think that addresses what Wilder's doing in anyway. It addresses what he isn't doing though, which is fighting Fury in December.

How do you know he isn't? Because Fury and his team have said the fight is off and he will be fighting somebody else in December. Do you think they're lying about that?

Why isn't he enforcing his rematch clause then? Exactly. This isn't difficult to follow. Off course both fighters will want to maximise their money, but only one of them actually has a contractual obligation to fight. If Wilder wants the fight, then he can have it. Or Fury can spend the best years of his career in court before paying Wilder.

No doubt Bob Arum is making this as difficult as possible. It will happen eventually as long as it makes money. This is Bob Arum we're talking about after all.

Unlike some folks posting here, I don't have amnesia. A few quotes... March 24: "You could not guarantee the fighters that the event would take place on that date," Arum said. "We couldn't convince them or ourselves. Where were they going to train for it? It just made no sense. You just have to take a step back. How are you going to sell tickets? It's absolutely ridiculous to say the fight is on when the Brits can't even get there." https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2882838-deontay-wilder-vs-tyson-fury-iii-delayed-amid-covid-19-pandemic.amp.html April 28th: "Bob Arum told SiNow he informed Tyson Fury that a third fight between Fury and Deontay Wilder would not take place until "November/December" at the earliest. Gate for Fury-Wilder II accounted for $17 million of the total revenue." https://sports.yahoo.com/deontay-wilder-in-luck-as-third-fight-vs-tyson-fury-postponed-until-late-2020-213235531.html August 10th: "And last week, Whyte's promoter Eddie Hearn issued a warning - stating that Fury-Wilder must happen in 2020 or he will push for Whyte to get his mandatory shot. But Arum is not the least bit worried - and indicates that Hearn tells him something totally different when they speak in private. “The WBC approved the trilogy contract and that provides for postponements. And certainly, if you can’t do it with spectators, a reasonable postponement would be okay. It’s a different kind of fight. The Fury vs Wilder fight in the United States is a major, major fight." And also August 10th: “All I know is that we are not ingrates. Tyson Fury, Top Rank, we were given the opportunity by Wilder… How do you turn your back on Wilder? That would be absolutely improper. gain, our goal is to do Fury and Wilder, and then if Fury wins, to go right to a Joshua fight plus a rematch. That’s where we stand. It would be an absolute travesty. All these mandatories, schmandatories. People are looking for what the public wants." https://www.boxingscene.com/arum-fury-wilder-happen-even-2021-then-joshua-whyte--150822 September 30th: “We’re moving off because there’s five conference championship games that day and night, plus two NFL games,” Arum said. “So we can’t go with the 19th; we’re looking at other dates right now because ESPN advised us, and Fox advised the PBC .” Also September 30th: “It’s definitely Allegiant Stadium,” Arum said. “The Raiders are on board, the city is on board, the convention authority is on board. Everybody is on board.” https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2020/9/30/21495900/tyson-fury-vs-deontay-wilder-iii-moving-off-december-19th-date-boxing-news None of this has been about Wilder delaying, showing any reluctance, or asking for any favors whatsoever. And by all reports, he's in great shape right now. Hope this helps... Why isn't he enforcing his rematch clause then?

Yeah, this lines up with reality; Arum is saying that the money isn't there to make the fight without fans. Wilder would make more to take step-aside money (if that's what he did) and fight a tomato can on Showtime than to fight Fury without fans on PPV in 2020. Haymon is not going to take a bath on this fight again, so it's probable he advised Wilder to let it be. Because of Covid, the deadline for the rematch was extended from July to December. Wilder has a legally binding rematch clause, which means his team could force Fury to fight him this year, if they wanted it to happen. They aren't doing anything to make it happen, which means they agree with Bob Arum. Without a live gate, there isn't enough money in it for them.

Don’t care. Fury whooped him twice, one more severe than the other. I dont have an interest in it tbh

Thanks for this, clears a lot up. Its Arum, and sheep just want to ignore facts

Yeah, this lines up with reality; Arum is saying that the money isn't there to make the fight without fans. Wilder would make more to take step-aside money (if that's what he did) and fight a tomato can on Showtime than to fight Fury without fans on PPV in 2020. Haymon is not going to take a bath on this fight again, so it's probable he advised Wilder to let it be.

Whoever is to blame, I still don't think I have any interest in a trilogy.