Jimmy Young beat Foreman, Ali and Norton. At least for a little while, he was the greatest boxer on the planet.
I will have to watch it again, but I felt Ken edged Jimmy in their 1977 fight.
Billy Joe Saunders doesn't seem that bad of a guy and is actually quite funny.
I admit I haven't watched them back and concentrated on scoring them but I wasn't convinced the results were correct in the following fights:
Spence vs Porter
Canelo vs Cotto
Froch vs Johnson
Both Ray Mancini and Howard Davis jr. beat Julio Caesar Chavez in title fights.
Larry Holmes ducked both Greg Page and Pinklon Thomas and karma got him back through Michael Spinks.
Milton McCrory 1983 would have beaten Donald Curry in an early title matchup.
Lupe Pintor ducked Jeff Chandler.
Eddie Machen had Sonny Liston shook up, hence the performance.
Because of the RJJ fight?
His defense, especially in the twilight of his career was outstanding. He wasn't unhittable, but he was a slick, slippery fighter for a man his size and for being past prime.
And here we go again btw, you and I will argue about Toney til the end of time. :)
Pretty much any of his fights against a top level fighter. But even some that weren’t top level aswell.
Roy hit him at will but that’s Roy he hit basically everyone at will. I mean Roy embarrassed him to a level a great defensive fighter shouldn’t be when they’re in their prime. To lose every second of every round and get hit over and over again is not the sign of a great defensive fighter even against the likes of Roy.
But then Dave Tiberi also hit him over and over and he wasn’t even ranked.
Sosa
Williams
Johnson
McCallum x2
Griffin x2
Thadzi
Nunn
All hit him easily and consistently throughout his peak and prime years. Sure, he slipped and blocked and avoided some punches and also got hit by a boat load in all of them.
Don’t see how that’s a great defence. The whole point of defence is to avoid punches.
Don't know if it's unpopular or not since I don't really see it discussed but I think boxing should have an odd number of rounds. There's too many draws in this sport and obviously having an odd number of rounds would help reduce that. It's the only competition that is a "best of" having an even number. Of course boxing has points deducted during rounds but if there isn't any foul or KD's during the fight, it can easily come down to judges have a fight 6-6, 5-5, etc. They should increase every fight size by 1 round.
Aj was essentially handed everything to him;
His olympic gold medal , his ibf title that fury vacated that he fought fkn charles martin for and the 100s of millions of pounds he makes while having no personality fighting like a robot due to once again, his marketing and pr team handing it to him
The Olympic medal is very true. That who Olympics run was a joke. 2 robberies. Hate to see it. Young men robbed of glory
If they fought in early 2008(Pre-Marga, post Gomez) Cotto would have defeated Mayweather.
Luis Collazo defeated Hatton.
Mauricio Herrera defeated Danny Garcia.
Shane Mosley held back after he hurt Mayweather.
Mayweather was robbed in the Olympics.
Edison Miranda was robbed out of a victory in Germany vs Arthur Abraham in their first fight.
Jermain Taylor would have defeated Pavlik in the rematch if he stuck with Emmanuel Steward. His only mistake in the first fight was gassing in the second round after knocking down Pavlik.
Chavez Jr is a good boxer with very accurate punching, although he has zero heart and fails to conquer his own fears in the ring.
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James Toney’s defense is not great.
Very good, not great.
Because of the RJJ fight?
His defense, especially in the twilight of his career was outstanding. He wasn't unhittable, but he was a slick, slippery fighter for a man his size and for being past prime.
And here we go again btw, you and I will argue about Toney til the end of time. :)
1) Mike Tyson isn’t a top 5 heavyweight of all time I have these guys (no particular order) ahead of him:
Joe Louis
Muhammad Ali
Larry Holmes
Evander Holyfield
George foreman
Rocky Marciano
Lennox Lewis
Sonny Liston
Wladimir Klitchko
Joe Frazier
2) Tyson fury is actually pretty damn good and would be hard to beat for anyone in the past due to feints, size, and heart
3) AJ doesn’t deserve the acclaim of being so advanced for his age and being something at a young age in his career he gets from becoming a champ granted he beat Klitschko which I would state is great but Gary Cornish, Kevin Johnson, Denis Baktov aren’t the best opponents (not AJ’s fault) I just feel he’s being touted as this big crazy train but he’s gotten there by beating chumps along the way
This entire ERA is overrated as F^ck! Plenty of good talented fighters but none of them are Great other than Pacquioa who is still active
Boots Ennis rise and Confidence is making some Spence and Crawford fans uncomfortable
Jermall Charlo makes some Canelo fans nervous so they bash him every chance they get and want to redirect him in the direction of Andrade to keep him away from Canelo
Stevenson is not very good in my opinion.He has yet to beat a good fighter and just talks a good fight. Haney fighting Gamboa is a huge cherry pick. Andrade is an ugly guy with an ugly fighting style and a cherry picker. He is also a crybaby always crying that everyone is scared of him.His nick name should be boo hoo not boo boo. Saunders is the worst cherry picking so call champion in boxing. Canelo wants DAZN to pay him 280 million for him to never fight for them again. Rather greedy I must say. GGG beat Canelo twice and got Vegas robbed twice. Jermall Charlo would beat the hell out of Andrade and knock him out. Jacobs had a bad cherry pick since going to 168 and fighting quitter and walking punching bag Chavez Jr and his next fight is another cherry pick against washed up and much smaller Gabe Rosalez. Bivol could drop to 168 and beat Canelo. You asked for unpopular boxing opinions so those are mine. Enjoy.
I have a few.
Shawn Porter beat Kell Brook. I thought Porter clearly outworked him and Brook was negative only looking to hold.
Canelo clearly beat Lara. Lara was so passive from round 4 onwards. I had it 116-112 Canelo.
GGG beat Canelo twice. Clearly won the first fight edged the second fight.
Eastern Europe has overtaken North America in producing elite P4P talent. Not necessarily in terms of quantity but certainly in terms of quality.
Marvin Hagler beat Ray Leonard.
Larry Holmes beat Michael Spinks in the first fight but they didn’t want him to equal Marciano’s record.
De La Hoya beat Trinidad but it’s his own fault for running.
Vitali was easily the better Klitschko.
Joe Louis’ resume is way better than people give him credit for.
Awkward fighters are generally overrated because people wrongly assume they are “slick” and technically skilled. Recent examples would be DeGale, Farmer and Andrade.
Carl Froch’s resume is overrated, should have lost to Dirrell, Bute was a hype job, Kessler was way past it when he got his W back.
AJ or at least his team want no part of Fury or Wilder.
Josh Taylor is one of the best P4P fighters in the sport and will beat Ramirez easily.
Roy Jones at his peak was more impressive than any other fighter in history.