In terms of pure boxing skill where does Fury rank

He doesn't have to fight everyone in the top 30, JUST A FEW OF THEM AT LEAST. Or at least a couple guys in the top 10 right? Imagine a college football team that plays the worst competition possible, then they beat a top 2 or 3 team, then everybody puts them at #1? That would be ridiculous right? But that's what you idiots have done with Nandrolone Fury. Why was Nandrolone Fury so against fighting Whyte? Shouldn't a real champion want to beat all comers? And I can name plenty of names in the top ten that would give Nandrolone Fury a good fight or beat him. The point is, they have to fight to prove it. He hasn't fought them and he hasn't proved it. Twerking Wilder has made a career out of fighting bums, avoiding the best and still getting credit . Now Nandrolone Fury is doing the exact same thing except worse. He has been fighting guys that were ranked in the 100's when they fought. by contrast, AJ has either fought, is about to fight, or offered a fight to 9 guys in the current top 12. 2 out of the top 30 for Nandrolone Fury and 9 of the top 12 for AJ. I hope that you are not too stupid that you don't see the difference I get what you're saying but without being able to do the same for the other HW boxers you have no argument. Who has Chisora fought? Whyte? Povetkin? Ortiz? Input any name here. Their resumes are just as lack luster as Fury but Fury seems to be the only guy you hold your standard to. I can agree that AJ has definitely fought the stiffest competition but he has loss just recently and has shown his vulnerability. Fury? Not so much. Sure, sometimes he looks lackluster against nobodies but has always risen to the occasion when it mattered most. Plus styles makes fights. This is the major factor why people pick Fury over AJ.

How de we explain Mike Tyson and the dominance he had? 5'10", 216-218 lbs, 71" reach. He was small for his era and would have been even in Ali's. Based on the size argument he should have never been champ. How do we explain Bernard Hopkins winning a world title at 46 years old? How do we explain Manny Pacquiao winning titles in 8 weight classes? How do we explain Roy Jones Jr going from 154 to Heavyweight to win a world title? The exception is not the rule. Regardless, in all of my posts in this discussion, I clearly state height, size in relation to skills. I mention that because skills will always matter. You can be a big for nothing boxer, towering over everyone, bigger than everyone, and then you’re subpar. I have been stressing Tyson Fury’s talents, quickness, and tactics in relation to his size in order to avoid the “but look at this small fighter beating this big fighter” arguments. Having all of those attributes for his size is what makes him a special fighter, i’ve said that since Page 1, first post of mine. Not just being big and tall. Yes Mike Tyson beat a bunch of bigger and taller HW’s but let’s not ignore his losses vs bigger and taller men like Buster Douglas.

He’s B level at best. A lot of you guys are just looking at the physical aspect of boxing. Fury doesn’t beat a Prime Muhammad Ali (Cassius Clay). Fury has got heart, but Klitchko had no dynamics of Ali. Prime Ali could also rack up points from the judges by doing slick defense too, dodging and rolling Fury’s sequences. You guys gotta realize that defense is a mind game, and Prime Ali was just more athletic and faster. He would wear down Fury. Sorry guys, but Klitchko and Wilder are D level rope a dope fighters. To beat a man at his game you gotta play his game. Not no robotic Eastern Euro thinking like Wlad or 1 Dimensional Wilder ffs... lol I mean seriously.. you guys have Fury so high because of an old Wlad and Wilder. That’s rather sad from the realistic point of view when there’s tape online of Ali.. lol Scaling for size, Ali isn't faster nor a better defender. And Fury has proven mentally, he is very strong. AJ has proven the opposite.

Not all that high. Lets be real, it's his size that has given him the edge in his fights. He has "good" boxing skills, especially for a big guy. But if he were 6'2" 230 lbs with the same skill-set, we would have never heard of him. He'd be just another contender.

When he officially retires from the sport and time passes we will be able to better gauge. Just going off his stature, current skillset, and reflexes. He is a problem for anyone in history. You can't compare his style to someone else's style and say that fighter is more skilled because they can do this. Fighters come in different shapes and sizes so of course Fury's style is going to look drastically different from heavyweights that are 4 to 5 inches shorter. I will say that he is arguably the most talented giant heavyweight we have seen. Meaning a heavyweight over 6'6". The only other two giants that have had noticeable boxing skill for being so huge have been the Klistchko's in recent time. Also getting dropped hard by Wilder is not a negative mark. Wilder might not weigh much but he is a huge guy stature wise and obviously packs a quick, strong right hand. Technically poor but vicious puncher Good post, but we have to remember that Fury was only 50% fit when he got dropped by Wilder. When he faced a 100% fit Fury, we all know what happened. Nobody beats Fury at the top of his game, past or present.

When he officially retires from the sport and time passes we will be able to better gauge. Just going off his stature, current skillset, and reflexes. He is a problem for anyone in history. You can't compare his style to someone else's style and say that fighter is more skilled because they can do this. Fighters come in different shapes and sizes so of course Fury's style is going to look drastically different from heavyweights that are 4 to 5 inches shorter. I will say that he is arguably the most talented giant heavyweight we have seen. Meaning a heavyweight over 6'6". The only other two giants that have had noticeable boxing skill for being so huge have been the Klistchko's in recent time. Also getting dropped hard by Wilder is not a negative mark. Wilder might not weigh much but he is a huge guy stature wise and obviously packs a quick, strong right hand. Technically poor but vicious puncher

So far so good. But he has to make a string of defences or y'know beat a decent list of names preferably in good style before we can really ask this question. You could argue that he is now peaking, especially with the successful addition of some Kronk moves. He's the type of fighter that you can't keep your eyes off when he's fighting. There is just so much going on with the Big Guy.

I think he is in the top 10 for boxing skill.

Scale of 1-10 he is about a 8. Especially for his freaking size. Image if he was a welterweight...

How many HW’s can fight Southpaw or orthodox equally well? Fight inside or outside, going backwards or forwards, all equally as well. I’m not saying Derek Chisora is a great fighter but Fury fought him southpaw and despite Chisora’s losses, that’s still the only fight that has been totally uncompetitive, So it’s crazy to think he did a job on him like that from the southpaw stance. In terms of pure versatility, it’s hard to really pick a heavyweight in history that can match it. He is one of the most versatile boxers in the game today regardless of weight, if not the most. He beat two long reigning champions in two totally different fashions. One on the back foot and totally nullified him, and the other he walked through. Then on top of that he has excellent footwork, excellent powers of recovery, Very good IQ and rises to the big occasion Kabayel must be an ATG too then I mean he didn't even break out in a sweat against the mighty chisora

Explain to me how Nandrolone Fury can skip over all of the best heavyweights of the last 5 years, and still be rated the best? how does that work exactly? Because in basketball, football, soccer, baseball and all the rest of the sports you have to actually go against the best to be considered the best. But somehow in boxing you can fight bums, gatekeepers and guys no one has heard of, and somehow come out of that as the best in class. There are 27 boxers in the top 30 that he has skipped over. A number of them would give him a hard fight, beat him or even KO him but he hasn't even tried to fight them hahahaha. Yet you idiots say that this clown is an all time great? I dont know about ATG but Fury imo is #1 at HW because hes beat the best competition. And your premise is just ridiculous. He has to fight everyone in the top 30 to be accepted as the best? No one else is doing that so why must Fury do that? And please do list all the guys who has fought better competition than Fury. The list will be extremely short or non existent. Wilder despite having no real names other than Luis Ortiz was universally either 1 or 2 at HW. You can not dispute that. Throw some names. Chisora? Whyte? Povetkin? Ortiz? Which one of these dudes do you see better than Fury and why? Fury beat Wladimir clean. He also beat Wilder clean as well. What HW has better names than those on their resume? AJ? And even if AJ is your answer people pick Fury because we understand that styles matter. I wanna see that long list of names from the past 5 years bud otherwise you're just blowing smoke out of you ass.

Part of what makes Fury so good isn't just his skills but his size. He just happens to have a little bit enough of everything to be effective and make it hard for anyone to win against him. Hes on record saying Cunningham was his toughest fight of his career (could have changed now) because he does struggle with smaller faster fighters. The problem though is that if youre smaller you MUST have an ELITE gas tank or you won't stand a chance. How many HW have an elite gas tank? Pretty much none. I like Usyks chances to outbox Fury but I doubt Usyk has that kind of gas tank. I think the end result very much could end up like the Cunningham fight where he just had nothing left and got KTFO.

Fury gets away with a lot due to his size but he’s very susceptible to solid skilled fighters who would press him ,his skills don’t exceed his size but he’s a good even fighter meaning his size is supported by his savvy skills . He looked great against Wilder but that doesn’t exactly count . He hasn’t fought a skilled sizeable power puncher yet who would press him when he does we”ll have a far better answer . Wilder is not exactly HARD to solve 'Fury's greatest achievement against Wilder was overcoming the fear of his punching power' NOBODY in heavyweight boxing had been able to achieve such a thing etc Tyson Fury was the first fighter to make Wilder doubt himself, and his own abilities. Fury has faced 1 elite level fighter, with elite level boxing skills 'Wladimir Kiltschko'. And yes he did win the fight, but his performance in my opinion was overrated. Wladimir Kiltschko was the aggressor throughout the entire fight 'He was never once demoralized to the point of giving up'. Even Peter Fury stated? That he expected Tyson Fury to step in more as the fight progressed 'And he was puzzled as to why he did not'. Tyson Fury bamboozled Wladimir Kiltschko, he did not beat him up or demoralize him.

I think "skilled" is the wrong adjective for Fury. While his defensive skills and footwork are excellent, I think his punching technique is actually fairly clumsy compared to other elite heavyweights of the past and present. What he is, however, is extremely crafty. He's really mastered leveraging his massive height, reach and weight advantages in a way that totally disarms opponents.

Lots of fury critics say he is an unskilled heavyweight who uppercut himself. But people who sparred him always say he's most skilled

I dont know, hard to say. But he is obviously well above average in technical ability and fight IQ, and when you combine that with his size he is probably one of the more formidable head to head HWs in history. Guys of his size just dont move and box like he does normally. I recall when heavyweights often moved as if wading through treacle. The largest top class fighter around that time was "The Ambling Alp"... "Da Preem"...Primo Carnera. If you watch an old film you'll be surprised at how nimble and quick moving the guy was... 6' 6'1/2"..not compared to today's quick movers but...in his time. He had a very nice, fast straight left also..

Nandrolone Fury has fought 2 guys out of the entire top 30 right now. You idiots cannot say that he is an all time great, or that he has all these skills when none of these skills have been tested. Other than Wilder, the highest guy he has fought has been Chisora, who has 9 loses on his record. Nandrolone Fury has not been in wars. He has avoided the best at heavyweight his entire career except Twerking Wilder and an old Klitschko. I swear, y'all get way too carried away with this fraud fraud? he's literally the greatest talent in the HW division since Lennox, a true boxing prodigy

He’s B level at best. A lot of you guys are just looking at the physical aspect of boxing. Fury doesn’t beat a Prime Muhammad Ali (Cassius Clay). Fury has got heart, but Klitchko had no dynamics of Ali. Prime Ali could also rack up points from the judges by doing slick defense too, dodging and rolling Fury’s sequences. You guys gotta realize that defense is a mind game, and Prime Ali was just more athletic and faster. He would wear down Fury. Sorry guys, but Klitchko and Wilder are D level rope a dope fighters. To beat a man at his game you gotta play his game. Not no robotic Eastern Euro thinking like Wlad or 1 Dimensional Wilder ffs... lol I mean seriously.. you guys have Fury so high because of an old Wlad and Wilder. That’s rather sad from the realistic point of view when there’s tape online of Ali.. lol Eye test baby. No way a midget like Ali beats the Furious One. Fury has it all, size, skills and the heart of a lion.

I think Lennox smashes him. Prime Mike as well. Holyfield is there for 12. Prime Bowe gives him all he wants. Ali was way too resilient and mentally tough on top of his skill. I like Ali to outbox him over 12 and maybe score stoppage. Prime Frazier and Foreman both bring heat too. Best believe if Wilder can drop Fury they can too. It really comes down to the mental game at the ultra elites because everyone is skilled.

But in terms of pure boxing skill Fury does present a unique challenge based upon his physical size, heart and skill making for a tough night out. The equalizers being his lack of power and mental inconsistencies. I want him to finish his career in dominant fashion like a Champion before assessing and I think we’re still 3-4 years shy of that.