If Canelo Goes Back To Richard Schaefer and fights for PBC ...

Yeah Canelo wants to be apart of the PBC culture where Haymon marinates forever. Canelo aint got time for that ghetto hustle culture. Unless Canelo is given a contract that guarantees a minimum each fight - cause Haymon will sell some ass again at W&R - and beg for Canelo’s funds to make a Multi-deal, it ain’t happeningz! wow. you always this wrong and dumb? yikes

Schaefer doesn’t work with pbc anymore. Joyce Nonito Balderas Yoka etc no longer with ringstar. Ringstar is gone I know. Schaefer has started his own promotional company to promote PBC fights. I thought I mentioned that at the start of this thread, but I guess I typed it in a different thread.

You explain it very clearly and I understand. But, my perspective is different, because for me it's a matter of right and wrong. Yes, Schaefer was keeping things running well, but...whilst doing this, it was not for Oscar's benefit, nor Golden Balls, it was for his projected own and Haymon's benefit. It cannot be denied that Schaefer was diverting new fighters and re-signers to Haymon instead of to where they belonged, to Golden Balls. Nor that it would have ended in Oscar being totally destroyed whilst Schaefer and Haymon gathered in the wreckage and moulded it into a viable business, one which they had prepared and ready. It was only because Oscar woke up just in time, that Schaefer even offered him that $5 mill. I have nothing at all against Haymon, don't know him, except that he "advises" fighters for a 15% in a very restrictive contract, a copy of which I once saw, but that's his business, not mine. I don't even know enough about him to blanket comment, although others on this site scatter criticisms and condemnations like hailstones....although tomorrow or the next day, they may change direction. Let us agree to differ, not harm, this is just a sport we're both interested in. For me a lifelong involvement since childhood. all good man...cheers

i think we disagree here and thats ok....but i see it differently most here would look at the whole thing and condemn anyone affiliated with haymon...most of his fighters, even now, are hated on a daily basis because of who haymon is and his affiliation with floyd oscar agreed to part with all the haymon fighters and was compensated.......but in my view things were going well with golden boy at the time(cant really be disputed) and schaffer did what he had to do in order to keep a good relationship with haymon....haymon being a guy that advised probably the best stable of talent in boxing......so schaeffer was just playing nice with haymon in order to keep the talent around those in boxing condemned it because it was something they werent used to seeing...they are used to seeing guys with promo contracts to promo companies....what haymon was doing, and is still doing, is a whole different model....it seems to be one that works as most of his fighters seem pretty happy with him....the old guard is used to iron clad contracts inked by fighters to the big promo companies....haymon has it set up where the fighters, at least the top level/most popular ones, can control their event and get more money for themselves...haymon has helped empower fighters and takes care of them....thats why guys like LSC named their kid after him....thats why paul williams still speaks highly of haymon...and others are loyal boxing was afraid of al haymon...to some degree they still are but i think hes more dug in now and everyone is kinda used to him and how he operates now...but thats why they were skeptical....some people dont like change...haymon changed the way the game is played to a degree You explain it very clearly and I understand. But, my perspective is different, because for me it's a matter of right and wrong. Yes, Schaefer was keeping things running well, but...whilst doing this, it was not for Oscar's benefit, nor Golden Balls, it was for his projected own and Haymon's benefit. It cannot be denied that Schaefer was diverting new fighters and re-signers to Haymon instead of to where they belonged, to Golden Balls. Nor that it would have ended in Oscar being totally destroyed whilst Schaefer and Haymon gathered in the wreckage and moulded it into a viable business, one which they had prepared and ready. It was only because Oscar woke up just in time, that Schaefer even offered him that $5 mill. I have nothing at all against Haymon, don't know him, except that he "advises" fighters for a 15% in a very restrictive contract, a copy of which I once saw, but that's his business, not mine. I don't even know enough about him to blanket comment, although others on this site scatter criticisms and condemnations like hailstones....although tomorrow or the next day, they may change direction. Let us agree to differ, not harm, this is just a sport we're both interested in. For me a lifelong involvement since childhood.

When Canelo was becoming a star, Richard Schaefer was running things at Golden Boy (while Oscar was wearing panties and getting stoned). When Schaefer and Haymon tried to take control of Golden Boy, and Oscar sobered up long enough to block it, Haymon built PBC. Now Schaefer has started his own promotional company to put on PBC events. Lots of fun fights available with the PBC to keep Canelo busy for a three years. Canelo vs. Jermell Charlo Canelo vs. Errol Spence Canelo vs. Caleb Plant Canelo vs. Chris Eubank Jr. Canelo vs. Jean Pascal Canelo vs. Badou Jack It could all begin if Schaefer wins the purse bid for Canelo-Yildirim. Schaefer doesn’t work with pbc anymore. Joyce Nonito Balderas Yoka etc no longer with ringstar. Ringstar is gone

When Canelo was becoming a star, Richard Schaefer was running things at Golden Boy (while Oscar was wearing panties and getting stoned). When Schaefer and Haymon tried to take control of Golden Boy, and Oscar sobered up long enough to block it, Haymon built PBC. Now Schaefer has started his own promotional company to put on PBC events. Lots of fun fights available with the PBC to keep Canelo busy for a three years. Canelo vs. Jermell Charlo Canelo vs. Errol Spence Canelo vs. Caleb Plant Canelo vs. Chris Eubank Jr. Canelo vs. Jean Pascal Canelo vs. Badou Jack It could all begin if Schaefer wins the purse bid for Canelo-Yildirim. - U spokesman for crooked Schaefer? Making stinker/runner fights for Canelo? It could all end with U falling face first in U pool of stoopid!

Canelo promotions will be major and he won’t have a promoter! That also means we get to see Canelo vs Plant, Canelo vs Jermall Charlo and Canelo vs etc

Yeah Canelo wants to be apart of the PBC culture where Haymon marinates forever. Canelo aint got time for that ghetto hustle culture. Unless Canelo is given a contract that guarantees a minimum each fight - cause Haymon will sell some ass again at W&R - and beg for Canelo’s funds to make a Multi-deal, it ain’t happeningz! Lmaoooo Who the F has AJ fought. Who the F has Crawford Fought. PBC the only group putting on the big fights

When Canelo was becoming a star, Richard Schaefer was running things at Golden Boy (while Oscar was wearing panties and getting stoned). When Schaefer and Haymon tried to take control of Golden Boy, and Oscar sobered up long enough to block it, Haymon built PBC. Now Schaefer has started his own promotional company to put on PBC events. Lots of fun fights available with the PBC to keep Canelo busy for a three years. Canelo vs. Jermell Charlo Canelo vs. Errol Spence Canelo vs. Caleb Plant Canelo vs. Chris Eubank Jr. Canelo vs. Jean Pascal Canelo vs. Badou Jack It could all begin if Schaefer wins the purse bid for Canelo-Yildirim.Also, don't forget about David Benavidez.

The last I checked Richard Schaefer was now based in Switzerland and is part owner of the "World Boxing Super Series" along with Sauerland Promotions.

I don't quite understand. None of your post negates any of mine. Am I to infer that you agree with Schaefer 's attempt to steal Oscar's company behind his back, culminating in the offer of 5 mill. for what was left. ??? Not logical, your post is well written and points well made, but the lack of morality (Schaefer's) and the suddenly discovered, almost completed attempt by Schaefer to steal Golden Balls from under Oscar's feet, and yes, half-closed-eyes, seems to be almost praiseworthy....?? Or am I reading your post wrongly?? .. My recollection of that event is that everyone in boxing and on this site, condemned Schaefer, and Oscar got a share of it too for allowing himself to take his eyes off business to his pwn pleasures and negative behaviour. But the fact remains, Schaefer tried to steal..yes, steal Golden Balls from it's owner by underhanded crooked moves, that could only have come from the mind of a crooked banker,-or top Mafia consortium. He was keeping the company running-with one hand- whilst holding the knife to stab Oscar in th back , with the other. How else can it be described but what it was. i think we disagree here and thats ok....but i see it differently most here would look at the whole thing and condemn anyone affiliated with haymon...most of his fighters, even now, are hated on a daily basis because of who haymon is and his affiliation with floyd oscar agreed to part with all the haymon fighters and was compensated.......but in my view things were going well with golden boy at the time(cant really be disputed) and schaffer did what he had to do in order to keep a good relationship with haymon....haymon being a guy that advised probably the best stable of talent in boxing......so schaeffer was just playing nice with haymon in order to keep the talent around those in boxing condemned it because it was something they werent used to seeing...they are used to seeing guys with promo contracts to promo companies....what haymon was doing, and is still doing, is a whole different model....it seems to be one that works as most of his fighters seem pretty happy with him....the old guard is used to iron clad contracts inked by fighters to the big promo companies....haymon has it set up where the fighters, at least the top level/most popular ones, can control their event and get more money for themselves...haymon has helped empower fighters and takes care of them....thats why guys like LSC named their kid after him....thats why paul williams still speaks highly of haymon...and others are loyal boxing was afraid of al haymon...to some degree they still are but i think hes more dug in now and everyone is kinda used to him and how he operates now...but thats why they were skeptical....some people dont like change...haymon changed the way the game is played to a degree

If he’s done with DAZN he shouldn’t sign with any promoter. Do fights on a one off basis and maximize profits.

If Canelo goes to PBC he will never have to worry about losing a decision

Yeah Canelo wants to be apart of the PBC culture where Haymon marinates forever. Canelo aint got time for that ghetto hustle culture. Unless Canelo is given a contract that guarantees a minimum each fight - cause Haymon will sell some ass again at W&R - and beg for Canelo’s funds to make a Multi-deal, it ain’t happeningz! Haymon built the biggest earner in the history of the sport. They put on the 3 biggest selling ppv’s in history. That isn’t ghetto hustle culture. That is Harvard Business School mastery of your craft.

If Canelo is lucky enough to get out of this mess (which he likely will) then I don't think he signs with ANY promoter again after this. First All Star Boxing and now this Mess? Yeah, No More Promoters for Canelo! I think he does his own thing with Reynoso and they start building up a stable for their own promotion. Yeah I could see him using Schaefer or Tom Brown Licensing for his Events in California or Vegas or whatever for sure. Haymon makes the most sense regardless if people like him or not! Canelo would be allowed to keep his Freedom and he will be in Full Control of his own Events while Working With Haymon. Also too Haymon have Opponents lined up for him at 160-168: Charlo at 160, Benavidez at 168, Plant at 168, Potential Zurdo Ramirez (who is a free agent also) at 168 or 175...All Can Be Mega Fights! So yes Haymon will be more than WILLING to overpay for Canelo vs Yildirim and if that happens they will roll out the Red Carpet for Canelo and probably put that on FOX PPV even though it is not PPV Worthy but with FOX Promoting it during the NFL Season and with PBC Roster to Load Up The Cards I think they can for sure make something out of nothing even with a PPV Main Event as bad as that would be. Canelo actually can generate MORE than $40 Million a fight on his own if you take into account everything from Fight Purse (at Minimum Canelo is going to make $20 Million Guaranteed, that is Pacquiao Minimum Guarantee right now), Back End PPV Buys, Global TV Rights (will keep all of the money that comes out of Mexico for his fights for himself now) and just a bunch of money that comes in that Promoters HIDE from Fighters which is why most promoters are terrified to have to open their BOOKS :lol1: So yeah Canelo should do what Mikey Garcia is doing, keep your damn Freedom and Stay a Free Agent!

He should stay solo and do 1-2 fight contracts at a time with PBC, TOP Rank, and maybe goldenboy/matchroom. It all really depends how the legal thing works out.

schaeffer was running golden boy successfully..they were thriving....and they even gave a signed GB fighter a fight, against floyd, to help catapult him even in a losing effort haymon prefers to do business a certain way and is still doing it that way today...schaffer was doing what he had to do in order to maintain a good standing relationship with a guy who had a talented roster of fighters under his watch.....oscar was too stupid and paranoid to understand this I don't quite understand. None of your post negates any of mine. Am I to infer that you agree with Schaefer 's attempt to steal Oscar's company behind his back, culminating in the offer of 5 mill. for what was left. ??? Not logical, your post is well written and points well made, but the lack of morality (Schaefer's) and the suddenly discovered, almost completed attempt by Schaefer to steal Golden Balls from under Oscar's feet, and yes, half-closed-eyes, seems to be almost praiseworthy....?? Or am I reading your post wrongly?? .. My recollection of that event is that everyone in boxing and on this site, condemned Schaefer, and Oscar got a share of it too for allowing himself to take his eyes off business to his pwn pleasures and negative behaviour. But the fact remains, Schaefer tried to steal..yes, steal Golden Balls from it's owner by underhanded crooked moves, that could only have come from the mind of a crooked banker,-or top Mafia consortium. He was keeping the company running-with one hand- whilst holding the knife to stab Oscar in th back , with the other. How else can it be described but what it was.

There is one thing wrong with this. You always pick the wrong winner. In the near two years you have lived on here 24/7/365 you have picked the wrong winner of up coming fights every fuking time without fail. You also are a dedicated Spence hater and claimed Mikey would beat him in a rematch. Fool. There is nothing wrong with Spence's jaw. That is just your wishful thinking. Danny lost to Porter while Spence beat Porter so common sense of which you have none says Spence beats Danny. The oddsmakers who unlike you are usually right, have Spence the betting favorite. So go throw your money away betting on Danny. Canelo will NEVER fight at 160 again and Spence will not fight a super middleweight. You are likely right that Canelo never fights at MW again and Spence never fights at SMW, but no one knows about his jaw/chin. Only time will tell if he is damaged goods or not. Spence is saying the right things right now but he hasn't even started sparring yet.

When Schaefer stunned everyone close to him by so suddenly leaving banking monster UBS , he was one step below CEO, and deep into he murky side of banking. The Authorities were zooming into a HUGE money laundering scam, involving this bank, and the news reports said their attentions had turned towards a particular very Senior placed official...unnamed.. Schaefer's sudden move to boxing amazed and upset even his wife, who knew nothing at all about it. His super-cunning plot to steal Golden Balls, which took several years to build up, leaving Oscar with hardly any signed up boxers, shows what he's capable of, and you put it in a nutshell. schaeffer was running golden boy successfully..they were thriving....and they even gave a signed GB fighter a fight, against floyd, to help catapult him even in a losing effort haymon prefers to do business a certain way and is still doing it that way today...schaffer was doing what he had to do in order to maintain a good standing relationship with a guy who had a talented roster of fighters under his watch.....oscar was too stupid and paranoid to understand this

there are too many who blindly hate al haymon because of his affiliation with floyd and thus they will say anything haymon does or has done is dastardly and evil what they fail to understand is that under the watch of dick and haymon golden boy promotion was thriving...was doing very well...oscar couldnt see the future...the new model for doing business that the fighters actually liked.....he saw there were no iron clad contracts binding als fighters to his company and had a panic attack because he only understood the old way that relationship could have stayed warm and cozy but oscar lost it and broke it up.... oscar got sober and bored and decided he wanted to be hands on with something that was already being ran very successfully......it was no sweat off al haymons back as he just went and did his own thing and is still very powerful