The worst lone loss in any sport in the world is a KO loss in pro boxing

Top Rank offered Gatti to Mayweather as his first PPV fight because Gatti was the Jr Welterweight WBC champion, ranked #1 by The Ring, and was a popular name and good first PPV fight. Mayweather didn’t choose to fight Gatti because he “had gone through a lot of wars at the time.” At the time of the fight, Gatti’s last loss was 3 years prior and he was seen as the biggest name opponent at 140 at the time. Gatti’s name was so big at 140, the event was held at Boardwalk Hall, Atlantic City, NJ, a venue that was known as Gatti’s home turf. He is not the best name on Mayweather resume, but he was chosen for Mayweather because of his name, popularity, and belt. Not because of anything else. It was all because of money and titles. Was he really the best at 140 at that time? The division was packed.

A lot of that has to do with exposure and giving the casual fan a platform to voice their stupid ass opinions. Compare boxing to UFC. UFC is a lot more popular, especially in the US because fights get made and pretty much everyone fights everyone. Everyone has Ls and its no big deal. Fighters can learn from a loss and round out their game. Yet in boxing, imo, thanks to Mayweather and how he protect that "zero" everyone is concerned with protecting their "brand". They don't take fights people want to see until its been "marinated". And boxers fight for a ton more money too! Here we have the most entitled big mouth generation ever all proclaiming to be the best without putting in the work. You cant be the best until you beat the best and calling people duckers while fighting nobodies doesn't build your case. As a guy who loves a lot of sports, MMA, American football, NBA, tennis, etc, let me tell you that in my opinion boxing fans are straight up the worst by a HUGE margin. Mayweather changed the trajectory of the sport. He would say things like, "Fk the fans, they're not my friends, they don't feed my family..." He's doing the same thing now with Tank Davis.

Not even a bad example. Floyd chose to fight Gatti because at that point had been through wars and was way past it. Thats the truth. Gatti was a big name opponent who's skills didnt match. Cotto on the other hand was a young undefeated champion yet Mayweather marinated this fight for like 6 years. He gets a lot of flack because he proclaimed himself the best ever yet his resume is easily picked apart show he didnt fight the best available when they were available. Its funny how you say people have a way of wanting to remember what they want to remember. Well news for you buddy. It's all on the internet. You don't have to remember when you can pull up resources. Its 2020 not 1960. So who's just remembering things? All he did was protect that zero and inspired this entitled generation whos all talk and no bite. Now everyone can pretend they're the best and have a big mouth. Floyd himself admits he would retire from boxing and not have boxing retire him. That pretty much means he wasnt going to take fights he wasnt sure he was going to win. That's why 2006 Cotto was far more dangerous than 2012 Cotto. Im not saying Cotto is better than Mayweather but he could have proved he was TBE by actually taking hard fights when they were available. But he didnt. Top Rank offered Gatti to Mayweather as his first PPV fight because Gatti was the Jr Welterweight WBC champion, ranked #1 by The Ring, and was a popular name and good first PPV fight. Mayweather didn’t choose to fight Gatti because he “had gone through a lot of wars at the time.” At the time of the fight, Gatti’s last loss was 3 years prior and he was seen as the biggest name opponent at 140 at the time. Gatti’s name was so big at 140, the event was held at Boardwalk Hall, Atlantic City, NJ, a venue that was known as Gatti’s home turf. He is not the best name on Mayweather resume, but he was chosen for Mayweather because of his name, popularity, and belt. Not because of anything else. It was all because of money and titles.

When you lose in any sport, even a blowout loss like let’s say in MLB (baseball) 20 to 1, that’s still just 1 loss out of 162 games and your fans won’t stop supporting because of that blow out loss. In boxing a KO loss could mean the end of your career, or the beginning of the end heading towards a downward spiral. It takes a special fighter to beat the odds. It seems like if you manage to come back from a KO loss, fans will get back on bandwagon but that KO loss will always follow you around as some sort of proof that you are not that good. And when you have two of them, you pretty much become almost gatekeeper status. As the decades go by, it’s becoming more and more like that. I can deduct that it didn’t used to be like that decades ago like early 1900s-1980s or so. But it is like that now. This is all because of culture and arrogance of fighters. Guys like Naseem Hamed and Broner... When they run their mouth and act without dignity... then get their ass whipped.. Mentally they're done. A real man continues to push forward.

Cotto is a bad example. He saw what Floyd did to Gatti and didn't want the smoke. People have a way of remembering what they want to remember. Not even a bad example. Floyd chose to fight Gatti because at that point had been through wars and was way past it. Thats the truth. Gatti was a big name opponent who's skills didnt match. Cotto on the other hand was a young undefeated champion yet Mayweather marinated this fight for like 6 years. He gets a lot of flack because he proclaimed himself the best ever yet his resume is easily picked apart show he didnt fight the best available when they were available. Its funny how you say people have a way of wanting to remember what they want to remember. Well news for you buddy. It's all on the internet. You don't have to remember when you can pull up resources. Its 2020 not 1960. So who's just remembering things? All he did was protect that zero and inspired this entitled generation whos all talk and no bite. Now everyone can pretend they're the best and have a big mouth. Floyd himself admits he would retire from boxing and not have boxing retire him. That pretty much means he wasnt going to take fights he wasnt sure he was going to win. That's why 2006 Cotto was far more dangerous than 2012 Cotto. Im not saying Cotto is better than Mayweather but he could have proved he was TBE by actually taking hard fights when they were available. But he didnt.

But Floyd will be criticised for not giving rematches to biggest rivals. Biggest rivals fans will say they think Floyd would be lost rematch and Floyd's scared opponent learnt more from loss than Floyd learnt from win. How you come back from loss is important and Floyd didn't give biggest rivals opportunity to show they're true champs. Floyd s always had home advantage so is even more obligated to give rematch. You see you can get criticised for anything, every action of career is under micro scope not just the day you was koed Idiot lol you dont give rematches to guys you beat easy, who should rematch Jeff Horn Manny or Tszyu ?

Well ideally in boxing the elites are the standard... not the thousands trying to be elites Pacquiao was not elite when he got KO’ed by Torrecampo and Sangsurat. He just simply kept going and kept fighting. So you don’t think that thousands trying to be elite could have been elite had they had better support, more determination, better promotion, more opportunities to come back in their career? If Pacquiao retired after Sangsurat, he would have been a no name. He didn’t allow the KO losses who were unknown, to deter him from continuing to box.

UFC is a lot more popular, especially in the US because fights get made and pretty much everyone fights everyone. Everyone has Ls and its no big deal. Fighters can learn from a loss and round out their game. Yet in boxing, imo, thanks to Mayweather and how he protect that "zero" everyone is concerned with protecting their "brand". They don't take fights people want to see until its been "marinated". And boxers fight for a ton more money too! Here we have the most entitled big mouth generation ever all proclaiming to be the best without putting in the work. You cant be the best until you beat the best and calling people duckers while fighting nobodies doesn't build your case. As a guy who loves a lot of sports, MMA, American football, NBA, tennis, etc, let me tell you that in my opinion boxing fans are straight up the worst by a HUGE margin. Great post, which not a few have been feeling the same way for decades now. Don't even know why so-called hardcore fans get duped into this undefeated nonsense when we all know there are many factors like bad judging, bum opponents, etc., go into the silliness of it. Prime example is this thread. World comes crashing down if you have one loss. It's insane.

The first K.O loss must be devastating especially if you're highly rated or hyped up.. Gone from Mr popular to absolute bum in the action of what could be one punch... I say bum because lots of fans are fickle and lots of people within the industry are fickle and see damaged goods... It must be a lonely place and a watching Dillian stumble, legs all bandy across towards his dressing room alone was a stark reminder that others quickly hide away and stay away from you...

Fighting people when the fight is right when fans want it to happen and when two fighters are destined to crossed is not what Floyd Mayweather was about. Take Cotto for example. Cotto was at 140 when Floyd was at 140 claiming already to be the best in the world but Floyd didn't want Cotto then. It wasn't until they were both at 147 years later and Cotto had already been through wars did Floyd fight him. Cotto was a good win on Floyds resume and Floyd beat him easy. He did this consistently. But thats it. Floyd only took the fights he wanted where he felt he would win. Nothing wrong with that but then claiming to be TBE yeah right. As skilled as he was he didn't need to play those games but he did and thats why he gets a bad rap. Cotto is a bad example. He saw what Floyd did to Gatti and didn't want the smoke. People have a way of remembering what they want to remember.

When you lose in any sport, even a blowout loss like let’s say in MLB (baseball) 20 to 1, that’s still just 1 loss out of 162 games and your fans won’t stop supporting because of that blow out loss. In boxing a KO loss could mean the end of your career, or the beginning of the end heading towards a downward spiral. It takes a special fighter to beat the odds. It seems like if you manage to come back from a KO loss, fans will get back on bandwagon but that KO loss will always follow you around as some sort of proof that you are not that good. And when you have two of them, you pretty much become almost gatekeeper status. As the decades go by, it’s becoming more and more like that. I can deduct that it didn’t used to be like that decades ago like early 1900s-1980s or so. But it is like that now. the yankees losing on a walk off home run to the pirates in game 7 of the 1960 world series. that has never happened before or since in a winner take all game in the world series. that single loss is the worst loss I have seen in all of sports. many boxers have come back from being knocked out. there's no coming back from a walk off home run in game 7 of the world series.

I don't understand how someone protects his zero by fighting numerous champs and giving immediate rematch to opponents who gave them a tough fight. You have fighters who say "unlike Mayweather, I'm not afraid to lose my 0" and then you look at their resume compared to his. Anyway, I think it is psychological. Pacquiao got ktfo but is still going strong. Lennox was stopped badly and bounced back. So did Wlad. Fighting people when the fight is right when fans want it to happen and when two fighters are destined to crossed is not what Floyd Mayweather was about. Take Cotto for example. Cotto was at 140 when Floyd was at 140 claiming already to be the best in the world but Floyd didn't want Cotto then. It wasn't until they were both at 147 years later and Cotto had already been through wars did Floyd fight him. Cotto was a good win on Floyds resume and Floyd beat him easy. He did this consistently. But thats it. Floyd only took the fights he wanted where he felt he would win. Nothing wrong with that but then claiming to be TBE yeah right. As skilled as he was he didn't need to play those games but he did and thats why he gets a bad rap.

I'd rather be the fighter who gets KO'd in a competitive fight than a QB who throws an interception pick-six and loses the Superbowl. That f***er is getting hate mail, death threats, and will go down in the history books as the guy who lost the big one. Or how about Bill Buckner who let a routine ground ball go between his legs in the '86 World Series vs. The Mets? He had to move and go into semi-isolation. Sox fans sent him death threats, and all of the accomplishments he achieved in his career were erased with that one error. To be fair, by default boxers are showing great levels of courage 'Exposing themselves inside of the ring'. It is not so much the threats boxers will receive, but mocking and defamation of their characters when they lose etc Fighters such as David Price & Audley Harrison suffered from people continually trying to defame their characters 'Just because they lost'.

I don't understand how someone protects his zero by fighting numerous champs and giving immediate rematch to opponents who gave them a tough fight. . But Floyd will be criticised for not giving rematches to biggest rivals. Biggest rivals fans will say they think Floyd would be lost rematch and Floyd's scared opponent learnt more from loss than Floyd learnt from win. How you come back from loss is important and Floyd didn't give biggest rivals opportunity to show they're true champs. Floyd s always had home advantage so is even more obligated to give rematch. You see you can get criticised for anything, every action of career is under micro scope not just the day you was koed

I'd rather be the fighter who gets KO'd in a competitive fight than a QB who throws an interception pick-six and loses the Superbowl. That f***er is getting hate mail, death threats, and will go down in the history books as the guy who lost the big one. Or how about Bill Buckner who let a routine ground ball go between his legs in the '86 World Series vs. The Mets? He had to move and go into semi-isolation. Sox fans sent him death threats, and all of the accomplishments he achieved in his career were erased with that one error.

A lot of that has to do with exposure and giving the casual fan a platform to voice their stupid ass opinions. Compare boxing to UFC. UFC is a lot more popular, especially in the US because fights get made and pretty much everyone fights everyone. Everyone has Ls and its no big deal. Fighters can learn from a loss and round out their game. Yet in boxing, imo, thanks to Mayweather and how he protect that "zero" everyone is concerned with protecting their "brand". They don't take fights people want to see until its been "marinated". And boxers fight for a ton more money too! Here we have the most entitled big mouth generation ever all proclaiming to be the best without putting in the work. You cant be the best until you beat the best and calling people duckers while fighting nobodies doesn't build your case. As a guy who loves a lot of sports, MMA, American football, NBA, tennis, etc, let me tell you that in my opinion boxing fans are straight up the worst by a HUGE margin. I don't understand how someone protects his zero by fighting numerous champs and giving immediate rematch to opponents who gave them a tough fight. You have fighters who say "unlike Mayweather, I'm not afraid to lose my 0" and then you look at their resume compared to his. Anyway, I think it is psychological. Pacquiao got ktfo but is still going strong. Lennox was stopped badly and bounced back. So did Wlad.

RGetting koed is nothing if you have an unbelievable career before and after ko loss. Being koed is potentially part of any boxers career if you fight the best. You are always 1 punch away from being koed. People understand that. When wilder was koing everyone, it was under the understanding it might very well be him oneday on receiving end. You will get criticised if your koed but all fighters get criticised for all manner of th ings. Whether it's cherry picking, not giving rematches, fighting only in backyard or whatever. You might be called overrated by some, but those criticisms fall on death ears by knowledgeable people who won't buy or tolerate it. Pac is best of era and he's been koed twice. So silly thread

Stop chatting ish Kev. :lol1: Look at what Calzaghe did to Lacy. what u mean by ish ? never heard that word

When you lose in any sport, even a blowout loss like let’s say in MLB (baseball) 20 to 1, that’s still just 1 loss out of 162 games and your fans won’t stop supporting because of that blow out loss. In boxing a KO loss could mean the end of your career, or the beginning of the end heading towards a downward spiral. It takes a special fighter to beat the odds. It seems like if you manage to come back from a KO loss, fans will get back on bandwagon but that KO loss will always follow you around as some sort of proof that you are not that good. And when you have two of them, you pretty much become almost gatekeeper status. As the decades go by, it’s becoming more and more like that. I can deduct that it didn’t used to be like that decades ago like early 1900s-1980s or so. But it is like that now. Stop chatting ish Kev. :lol1: Look at what Calzaghe did to Lacy.

great post and on the money even as a fan of Floyd during his career it has made everyone feel they need an 0 to be relevant and promoters have seen they can carefully map their fighters careers knowing ppl will pay to hopefully see them lose rather than win UFC fans don't care as much they already talk about sticking that losing fighter in with a top fighter next time round yet in boxing they get a soft touch and fans accept it as 'rebuilding' Im not too old but I heard the say was back in the day that you couldn't be a world champion until you had a loss. In that context meaning you couldnt be a conplete fighter until someone exposed some of your weaknesses and you learned from it. Take Ali vs Frazier for example. Ali wasn't in his prime but style wise got beat by the much smaller man exposing some of his biggest flaws. To fix this Ali worked on how to grapple and wrestle his opponents so that he could be successful when he fought Frazier again. A lot of these fighters these days too fall in love with something they're good at and don't work on other parts if their game. Anyone can throw hard punches and thats all we see these days. Very often do we get true technicians who work on their craft or fans that can appreciate them. Things I really hate seeing these days: everyone doing their best Floyd impression in and out of the ring. Guys who haven't done squat demanding big paydays for worthless fights. Guys being able to call themselves a world champion with 4 major titles and 4 intermediate titles.