MMA looks so sloppy compared to Boxing

Their wrestling skills is legit but their striking sucks except for the leg kicks.

sounds like they need to keep moving goal posts to have an advantage. what else do they need? padding so they can wrestle easier on the ground too? to the random guy who is walking down the street and gets picking on and must defend himself, boxing gives you the best chance to deal some damage and get out of there. that sounds like a much more likely scenario than "FIGHT ISLAND FIGHT TO THE DEATH JUST BLEED" i don't think a lot of people realize that MMA rules completely neuter a strikers main advantages in an 'anything goes fight.' you should try taking someone down if they can sprawl a little bit and are allowed to elbow you 90 degrees in the neck/spine. ever been fish hooked by someone who knows what they're doing? eye gouging by someone with long nails? intentionally poked in the eye repeatedly by a boxer with an open fist and a quick jab? these things happen in real fights, but not in MMA. i'm not saying a boxer automatically wins, but this "grappled and choked" narrative is definitely not 90%. do you see some of the punches that drop some of these MMA fighters? i would give a boxer with speed/power/active feet a good chance against anyone in the world. All those dirty techniques work more in favor of the MMA guy than the guy trying to counter the MMA guy. The guy with grappling skills can sit in someones guard and headbutt them, stick his thumbs into their eyes, bite their throat out, smash the back of their head off the ground. He could go into side control or north south and repeatedly knee the other guy in the head. He could take the back and punch/elbow/headbutt the back of the other guys skull etc etc. And hes able to do all of those things basically at his leisure with gravity, time and control on his side unlike the other guy who is frantically trying to think of some deadly ninja **** for teh streetz that might counter it. 12-6 elbows were legal in the early UFCs and did nothing to counter takedowns. Managing to get into the position where youve sprawled and are then able to accurately elbow someone in the back of the skull/spine in a way that stops the fight is not something that can happen at a reliable, consistent rate. Things move too fast. Kicks/knees to the head of a grounded opponent were (and in some places still are) legal and all it really lead to was wrestlers like Coleman and Kerr absolutely brutalizing people on the ground, same with headbutts.

Because he caught him with the first punch thrown, in one of the fastest KOs and most shocking finishes in the sports history. I know, I know, boxers are so superhuman with their hands that the same thing would happen every single time they stood with an MMA fighter..... Chael is one of the biggest bull****ters on the planet. I dont think that rule is even a thing in any major kickboxing orgs. Regardless they throw far more than 3 kicks per round anyway, and they sure as hell would if they were facing someone that literally didnt know how to defend them. So of all the names on the boxing side you could bring up to defend its entertainment value, you mention.....Clay Collard, a sloppy as **** ex-MMA fighter who flopped in the UFC, lol. Collard is must see tv and all action! We boxing fans are very thankful he flopped in the Dana White UFC plantation and has found a home in boxing as a litmus test for young rising prospects or could be stars! Y’all can keep the Usman-Masvidal and Adesanya-Romero fights and we’ll keep Clay Collard any day of the week! Like I said, I see MMA fans online who love a good stand up fight more than wrestling and get excited seeing KO’s from punches! Collard will be finally paid his true worth while Dana can keep raping these practitioners in multiple arms of combat! Honestly they should just come to boxing! If you don’t want your promoter lying to you, taking away 70% of your profits, almost always throwing you to the wolves no matter what, if you lose or have losses that 70% take from him goes up .9% each time, gets a percentage off your endorsements, and if he feels like it he can drop you from his promotions then you should come to boxing where you’ll get paid much much more, have more freedom, can get endorsements without giving much of that percentage or any, can take some easy fights here an there, and can start your own promotional company!

Agreed. I dont think many people, MMA fans or otherwise, actually dispute that though. What they're talking about isnt a "streetfight" in that sense, its a fight that has no rules other than its 1 vs 1 and unarmed. Desert island fight to the death type ****. In which case the boxer is getting dumped on his ****ing head and choked to death 90% of the time. sounds like they need to keep moving goal posts to have an advantage. what else do they need? padding so they can wrestle easier on the ground too? to the random guy who is walking down the street and gets picking on and must defend himself, boxing gives you the best chance to deal some damage and get out of there. that sounds like a much more likely scenario than "FIGHT ISLAND FIGHT TO THE DEATH JUST BLEED" i don't think a lot of people realize that MMA rules completely neuter a strikers main advantages in an 'anything goes fight.' you should try taking someone down if they can sprawl a little bit and are allowed to elbow you 90 degrees in the neck/spine. ever been fish hooked by someone who knows what they're doing? eye gouging by someone with long nails? intentionally poked in the eye repeatedly by a boxer with an open fist and a quick jab? these things happen in real fights, but not in MMA. i'm not saying a boxer automatically wins, but this "grappled and choked" narrative is definitely not 90%. do you see some of the punches that drop some of these MMA fighters? i would give a boxer with speed/power/active feet a good chance against anyone in the world.

lots of MMA fans love to instantly start talking about 'street fight' and 'grappling' but the reality is that if you take down someone in a streetfight there's a good chance you'll get kicked unconscious by his boys, or that he elbows you in the spine or the back of the neck while you go for the double leg, or that he eye gouges you when you have mount, or that he pulls out a knife and stabs you the moment he realizes he's out of his depth. the last thing you should do in a streetfight is give your back to everybody else. streetfights should be ended as quickly and as violently as possible, and boxing is a great tool for that because a good boxer can land 10 punches in less than 5 seconds if he's about that action and the likelihood is that no one will know that he can even box until it's too late. Agreed. I dont think many people, MMA fans or otherwise, actually dispute that though. What they're talking about isnt a "streetfight" in that sense, its a fight that has no rules other than its 1 vs 1 and unarmed. Desert island fight to the death type ****. In which case the boxer is getting dumped on his ****ing head and choked to death 90% of the time.

lots of MMA fans love to instantly start talking about 'street fight' and 'grappling' but the reality is that if you take down someone in a streetfight there's a good chance you'll get kicked unconscious by his boys, or that he elbows you in the spine or the back of the neck while you go for the double leg, or that he eye gouges you when you have mount, or that he pulls out a knife and stabs you the moment he realizes he's out of his depth. the last thing you should do in a streetfight is give your back to everybody else. streetfights should be ended as quickly and as violently as possible, and boxing is a great tool for that because a good boxer can land 10 punches in less than 5 seconds if he's about that action and the likelihood is that no one will know that he can even box until it's too late.

UFC is just different. As much as I pretend I can't stand it, they're times I accidently stumble upon it and find myself entertained. The difference though I feel is like, boxing is a direct sport where you master 1 form of style. Because you are mastering 1 form, there will be levels to it and the elite are separate from the non-elite almost immediately. In boxing, you can have your 1 punch shock KO loss, but I feel it's less frequent than in MMA where they're so many more chances to do something wild or unexpected to win. Some people like that more because it's the unexpected, but I like to know when you mastered something, you separate yourself from the rest. It creates those levels and tiers of experience and you can appreciate one working at the highest levels. That said, people say, oh, MMA will be better for you in real life fighting. Honestly, I don't think it's much different than boxing in real life fighting, in that neither is going to matter, lol. When your in a real life fight where there are ZERO rules, anything goes, your wild swinging is about as effective as the other guys. Sure, some will have that natural knowing way of throwing a punch out of instinct while others are haymaker swinging and wild, but they may just abandon that and grab a chair. You never know when it comes down to street fighting, lol. Yes in a street fight, INSTINCTS kick in 'People talk as if a boxers will not grapple in a real street fight' or pull movies other than boxing moves 'But even if most Mixed Martial Arts fighters could beat boxers in a street fight? To me this is irrelevant. Boxing has never wanted or tried to be mixed martial arts 'It is boxing'. The most prestigious, and historically respected form of fighting in the world 'When I was in school? Kids where mocked for kicking or rolling about on the floor' These where unwritten but instinctive rules of the playground 'You always sensed people looked down upon those that fought a certain way during a straightener'. Note: As a kid I was a martial artist within Karate, I was a brown belt one belt away from black which I easily could of achieved if I carried on training 'So I have nothing against martial arts'. I did have a fight with a kick boxer who was year above me in primary school 'The fight started out as a kicking match, then I just decided to close the range when he had one foot on the ground' And Bang him to the body with punches 'This is me just recalling a memory'.

haha, oh **** man, oh ****... You had me going there for a bit; you're telling me somebody like Aldo is just as skilled as someone like masvidal? Come on bro, skills in sports get better over time. It's not like they get worse n ****, come on man. Uhhh...sorry to break it to you dude, but Masvidal has been in MMA longer than Aldo lmfao. The guy was in Kimbo Slice backyard fights in the early years of Youtube, and was losing in long defunct promotions Strikeforce and Shark Fights like a decade ago. Hes been around forever and never really got past journeyman status until now. Hes pretty much the worst name anyone could bring up as an example of MMA skills allegedly evolving.

I think its hit its ceiling already tbh. The skills evolved massively in the 90s but by the mid 00s you were already getting fighters that were coming close to perfecting things. Since then the depth in most divisions has improved but the cream of the crop guys in the sport today arent any more evolved than guys like GSP, Anderson, Fedor, Jones, Aldo etc were a decade or more ago. haha, oh **** man, oh ****... You had me going there for a bit; you're telling me somebody like Aldo is just as skilled as someone like masvidal? Come on bro, skills in sports get better over time. It's not like they get worse n ****, come on man.

It's cus it's still in its infancy. Wait till these guys become more skilled a few decades down the line. I think its hit its ceiling already tbh. The skills evolved massively in the 90s but by the mid 00s you were already getting fighters that were coming close to perfecting things. Since then the depth in most divisions has improved but the cream of the crop guys in the sport today arent any more evolved than guys like GSP, Anderson, Fedor, Jones, Aldo etc were a decade or more ago.

lots of guys come from kickboxing like Israel Adesanya Yep. People do the whole "jack of all trades" thing about MMA fighters but then you have a dude like Israel Adesanya who was 75-5 in kickboxing. And whats interesting/telling is although hes a great striker in MMA too, its not like he just walks through everyone in the striking department based on his kickboxing pedigree. Gastelum, who is basically a short BJJ black belt with heavy hands, had a 5 round stand up war with him where both guys got hurt plenty. The Izzy/Yoel fight was two guys staring each other down for 5 rounds because both were scared to engage, bearing in mind that again, one is a 75-5 kickboxer and one is an olympic medallist wrestler. Point being, people massively underestimate the quality of MMA striking, anyone can get slept under MMA rules, no matter what they might have done in another striking art before.

It's cus it's still in its infancy. Wait till these guys become more skilled a few decades down the line.

why didn't aldo kick mcgregor's legs off? :lol1: the good ol' 1-2 would be enough to stop any of those guys Because he caught him with the first punch thrown, in one of the fastest KOs and most shocking finishes in the sports history. I know, I know, boxers are so superhuman with their hands that the same thing would happen every single time they stood with an MMA fighter..... I heard Chael Sonnen say that kickboxing has a 3 kick per round minimum because fighters realised that kicks aren’t that effective. Thought that was interesting Chael is one of the biggest bull****ters on the planet. I dont think that rule is even a thing in any major kickboxing orgs. Regardless they throw far more than 3 kicks per round anyway, and they sure as hell would if they were facing someone that literally didnt know how to defend them. Usman-Masvidal or a Clay Collard fight, yeah I know who I’m watching with a drink in hand! So of all the names on the boxing side you could bring up to defend its entertainment value, you mention.....Clay Collard, a sloppy as **** ex-MMA fighter who flopped in the UFC, lol.

Some are sloppy yes, but you have to adjust your stance to account for leg kicks, takedowns etc. Plus, if you've ever wrestled/grappled with someone the same size as you that destroys your cardio. Almost like sprinting, it just swallows up all the oxygen in your body. Fighting tired makes them look much sloppier, but some guys are super talented. Wonderboy at 170 has insane striking, lots of guys come from kickboxing like Israel Adesanya

Funny how on MMA websites they said the card was boring but the best fights were someone getting “punched on”, that tells you all you need to know! Usman-Masvidal or a Clay Collard fight, yeah I know who I’m watching with a drink in hand!

why didn't aldo kick mcgregor's legs off? :lol1: the good ol' 1-2 would be enough to stop any of those guys I heard Chael Sonnen say that kickboxing has a 3 kick per round minimum because fighters realised that kicks aren’t that effective. Thought that was interesting

why didn't aldo kick mcgregor's legs off? :lol1: the good ol' 1-2 would be enough to stop any of those guys

UFC is just different. As much as I pretend I can't stand it, they're times I accidently stumble upon it and find myself entertained. The difference though I feel is like, boxing is a direct sport where you master 1 form of style. Because you are mastering 1 form, there will be levels to it and the elite are separate from the non-elite almost immediately. In boxing, you can have your 1 punch shock KO loss, but I feel it's less frequent than in MMA where they're so many more chances to do something wild or unexpected to win. Some people like that more because it's the unexpected, but I like to know when you mastered something, you separate yourself from the rest. It creates those levels and tiers of experience and you can appreciate one working at the highest levels. That said, people say, oh, MMA will be better for you in real life fighting. Honestly, I don't think it's much different than boxing in real life fighting, in that neither is going to matter, lol. When your in a real life fight where there are ZERO rules, anything goes, your wild swinging is about as effective as the other guys. Sure, some will have that natural knowing way of throwing a punch out of instinct while others are haymaker swinging and wild, but they may just abandon that and grab a chair. You never know when it comes down to street fighting, lol.

Idealistically MMA will eventually produce a man who can box as good as Louis, kick like Bonjasky, and roll like Gable. Not gonna happen. Its impossible. The "master of none" stuff is still largely BS though. If you're a BJJ black belt, ADCC winner, division 1 wrestler, olympic medallist, K1 GP winner etc then you're obviously elite at one of the specialized aspects of MMA. And at the top levels there are fighters that have extremely well rounded skillsets that they put together brilliantly, not some amateurish glorified toughmen with rudimentary skills in a few things.

They skil get better ratings though