obvious steroid users, past present?

Honestly, a good amount of them do to an extent. On the flip side you also have some that just work extremely hard. For me a general sign is when someone's physique does not match their natural bodyframe. Not referring to height but more so someone being thin or athletic in build and beginning to have the size of a stocky person.

So youre saying he couldnt body build using weights to gain 25lbs of muscle ? Lewis Bowe Tyson were all natural HWs Holyfield had to build it . I dont know one way or the other I just want to see what is the circumstantial evidence and assumptions you convicts him with. Dude, you missed the part about him & his doctor being caught in a sting by ESPN

Cmon guys almost all professional athletes use peds dont be naive thinking they are clean

Obviously floyd. Floyd red flags: -Abnormal T/E ratio that can only happen if one person is on PEDS -IV same IV that armstrong use to pass the test

Alongside Ivan Drago, Evander is the blatant one..

Like I said I dont know if he did or didnt I wanted to see the evidence that convicts him, all I can see is he grew muscles and moved up 25LBs, I wanted to see if they had any other reasons because you can gain that in bodybuilding no problems at all. google it, when they rang the guy who was ordering the peds holyfield answered the phone and he put his correct birth date on the order too, do u want photos?

Why because he has muscles ? what performance reasons do you have ? None of these guys use steroids they are religiously clean as its their mantra, look up natural bodybuilders. http://www.bryankrahn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/dave.jpg https://www.ironpinoy.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Ade_Rai_1_photo_by_Jason_Mathas.jpg Most pro athletes use peds. The difference between any elite athlete is the last few small percentages. They will do anything to get that slight advantage. Also lol at "natural" bodybuilding, those are rife with steroid users and the majority of the "naturals" are on steroids too. First they have known test dates which they can beat and second they take a lie detector test which proves jack chit. I guess your argument is Evans just collects HGH packages but doesnt use them, like a stamp collector collects stamps, a pro athlete collects PEDS but doesnt use them.

Why is Holyfield still solid at close to 60 years of age? Holyfield was portably weight draining himself to make cruiserweight, he still had the same physique as a heavyweight but had added more bulk. He put on like 20+ lbs of lean mass and his traps are like boulders. Oh and some dude name evan fields who lives at his house orders HGH. lol if you think there is even 1% chance evan, I mean evander didnt use PEDS. also lol if lack of positive results or physique even means anything. Look at James Toney, fat ass with a positive test and look at Shane Mosley zero positive tests but on the Balco calendars with detailed schedule designed to make sure he passed the tests.

I always thought the Klitschkos were using even if they weren't caught.

Manny was untested against Thurman and still uses Fortune I dont see what your point is . - -Manny VADA tested for Thurman. U can't see U point cuz it be on top U thick noggin...Duh!

Anthony Joshua.

It was proven Holyfield used steroids and used the evan holyfield google it To be honest a lot of stuff used in the past you cannot use even smelling salts, imagine if some fighter were allowed that now Like I said I dont know if he did or didnt I wanted to see the evidence that convicts him, all I can see is he grew muscles and moved up 25LBs, I wanted to see if they had any other reasons because you can gain that in bodybuilding no problems at all.

Manny was trained by a steroid cheat Justin Fortune. Manny never tested positive. Manny refused blood testing because he said Floyd was to big, I posted the video of him saying it. He has sat Manny on his ass numerous times from 130 up, the reason JMM Koed Manny was he landed the perfect shot that had nothing to do with whether he was on PEDs or not. - U conjuring up U inner Dum again? When did Fortune have anything to do with steroids? I don't know the first thing about him. Stupid supplements don't count as they market that trash for kids. Nor do nanograms. BALCO Juan was 2 seconds from getting KOed when Manny made a typical southpaw footwork mistake jumping in to finish him off. His lead left foot came down JM rt foot that redirected his momentum to the left leaving him off balance and fully exposed. JM rt hand not picture perfect. It landed on the right side of Manny's neck, legal but not standard.

Why because he has muscles ? what performance reasons do you have ? None of these guys use steroids they are religiously clean as its their mantra, look up natural bodybuilders. http://www.bryankrahn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/dave.jpg https://www.ironpinoy.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Ade_Rai_1_photo_by_Jason_Mathas.jpg It was proven Holyfield used steroids and used the evan holyfield google it To be honest a lot of stuff used in the past you cannot use even smelling salts, imagine if some fighter were allowed that now

LOL whut you know who was in Marquez camp right Memo Heredia himself.... Manny has stayed tested... get back to me when he pops. So what Justin roid Fortune trained Manny what is the difference ? Manny was untested against Thurman and still uses Fortune I dont see what your point is .

Dude. Holyfield's physique dramatically changed (in comparison to Tyson, Lewis, and Bowe, who basically look the same) He had to retire because of heart problems. Steroids destroy your heart, just ask the Ultimate Warrior. Then if that's not enough, Holyfield's doctor is caught giving out steroids in an investigation by ESPN and Holyfield's receiving drugs from him under the fake name "Evan Fields". He's the most blatant example of cheating in the history of the sport (other than Big Baby Davis) So youre saying he couldnt body build using weights to gain 25lbs of muscle ? Lewis Bowe Tyson were all natural HWs Holyfield had to build it . I dont know one way or the other I just want to see what is the circumstantial evidence and assumptions you convicts him with.

dude im black and I don't disparage or impugn the character of another black male (considering the world already does it) without serious reasons to do so. Holyfield was on steroids. If you believe otherwise you are naive. I asked you a simple question why do you think so ?

Why because he has muscles ? what performance reasons do you have ? None of these guys use steroids they are religiously clean as its their mantra, look up natural bodybuilders. http://www.bryankrahn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/dave.jpg https://www.ironpinoy.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Ade_Rai_1_photo_by_Jason_Mathas.jpg Dude. Holyfield's physique dramatically changed (in comparison to Tyson, Lewis, and Bowe, who basically look the same) He had to retire because of heart problems. Steroids destroy your heart, just ask the Ultimate Warrior. Then if that's not enough, Holyfield's doctor is caught giving out steroids in an investigation by ESPN and Holyfield's receiving drugs from him under the fake name "Evan Fields". He's the most blatant example of cheating in the history of the sport (other than Big Baby Davis)

Why because he has muscles ? what performance reasons do you have ? None of these guys use steroids they are religiously clean as its their mantra, look up natural bodybuilders. http://www.bryankrahn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/dave.jpg https://www.ironpinoy.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Ade_Rai_1_photo_by_Jason_Mathas.jpg dude im black and I don't disparage or impugn the character of another black male (considering the world already does it) without serious reasons to do so. Holyfield was on steroids. If you believe otherwise you are naive.

Manny was trained by a steroid cheat Justin Fortune. Manny never tested positive. Manny refused blood testing because he said Floyd was to big, I posted the video of him saying it. He has sat Manny on his ass numerous times from 130 up, the reason JMM Koed Manny was he landed the perfect shot that had nothing to do with whether he was on PEDs or not. LOL whut you know who was in Marquez camp right Memo Heredia himself.... Manny has stayed tested... get back to me when he pops.