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I know you do. I already told you that you do.
Wake me up when you have the nuts to weigh in. Little boy. Go get your book.
I go to the gym all the time. Everyone knows you’re gay bruh. Having John Legend all close to the mic like that suggest the new Wilder twerkin videos are your favorite!
Workin out with the ladies isn't "going to the gym".
If Burley had fought in today’s era, he would have been a multiple weight division lineal champion.
He only wasn’t because of the era he fought in.
He is completely irrelevant to the discussion of whether or not Golovkin is an all time great.
Golovkin was a dominant middleweight champion with a long reign. He will be remembered as an all time great because he fits the criteria everyone will be looking for.
You don’t like him so you refuse to believe it.
Let’s just pause this conversation and see who has more evidence when time passes. When he gets accepted to the hall of fame, I’ll use it as reason to believe my point. You’ll still be stuck on how he didn’t fight enough names for your liking.
nope, that example is 100% relevant
your statement, that Golovkin is a ATG for beating 10x bums in title defences... is bullshlt
he is not fit to wipe Burleys ass, despite the fact that Burley made 0 defences... so your statement is flawed logic
stoppit dude, NOBODY will take you seriously until you understand that nameless achievements are bullshlt.... NAMES!!
WHO DID HE BEAT... ?????
we know who Burley beat... who did Hypekin beat... ?
this is basic stuff, every casual-fan embarrasses himself by rating 'bells and whistles' over genuine achievements... and yea, you are clearly no different
You are obsessed with making up what I say.
Obviously Bernard Hopkins is an amazing fighter. He’s an all-time great and a hall of fame fighter.
He’s obviously better than Golovkin.
I wasn’t trying to discredit him.
I was just using his career to point out that your logic of needing huge wins over big names doesn’t apply to Hopkins’ reign at middleweight.
1.) I never said Hopkins’ 20 defenses aren’t legitimate. Of course they are.
2.) Golovkin also beat Danny Jacobs, Kell Brook, Daniel Geale and Kassim Ouma, who all have held world championships.
3.) Golovkin is going to fight Canelo Alvarez, the number one pound for pound fighter in the world, for a third time. I’m not sure how you can argue he won’t make big fights. That’s the biggest fight you can make and he’s done it three times.
Of course Hopkins is a great fighter. I called him the last dominant middleweight champion in the post you’re going insane about.
Of course he did great things outside of middleweight.
Please continue to insult my boxing knowledge. I’ll insult your reading comprehension because that’s the only issue with my last post.
Of course Charley Burley is better than Golovkin. Burley is an all time great and a hall of famer. What the f**k is your point when you bring him up?
I don’t have a favorite boxer. I tend to root for the Cubans because they usually have a great story.
Manny Pacquiao is obviously a great boxer. The fact that you trashed him out of the blue while we’re discussing Golovkin is pretty much all I need to know about you.
you flatly stated that beating 10x bums automatically makes Golovkin great... simply because they were defences...
I highlighted your flawed logic by stating that Burley is greater than Golovkin, despite the fact that he does not even have 1 defence... or a title
Burley is rated highly because of who he beat... because that is the ONLY criteria for greatness...
Burley passed, despite not making defences... Golovkin fell short, despite making defences... because defences are irrelevant... especially in this day and age with multitudes of titles
it is wrong to suggest that Golovkin is great, simply because you love him
WHO did you beat... with consideration given to when/how
a guys who's 2nd best win is David Lemieux... is not great... you need MORE than Lemieux and Jacobs to be great
yeah you’re gonna convince members because of that shot... lol.
I don’t need to show Canelo’s shots. They’z self explanatory
You only need to argue an argument that has no chance of winning to try and get anyone to believe Canelo beat GGG.
Fking little boy. Go down to a gym and learn how to fight.
As of now you’re out of your jurisdiction internet boy.
The last dominant middleweight champion before GGG was Bernard Hopkins.
What was his amazing win at middleweight?
A guy who moved up in weight and used to be a super featherweight and a guy who moved up from welterweight.
...
5 of GGG’s last 11 opponents are current or former world champions.
Kell Brook, Danny Jacobs, David Lemieux, and Canelo Alvarez twice.
I’ve listed those names multiple times, I’m not sure how you can questions that
...
Joe Louis sucks according to your criteria. He’s only the greatest heavyweight of all time.
...
I never said GGG was better than middleweight champions or top contenders from the 1 belt, 8 division era. You are putting words in my mouth again.
kid... you just attempted to say that 10 defences was HOF-worthy
now you say Hopkins 20 LEGITIMATE defences don't count ? :lol1:
1) Hopkins defences are legit... he did not defend a junior title
2) Hopkins beat real champions... Golovkin only beat Lemieux
3) Hopkins did what he needed to do to make HUGE fights with superstars, Golovkin did not... Mr "anyone from 154-168" talked a lot of shlt, but then killed FOUR HUGE fights over weight
and Hopkins is a great fighter for what he achieved throughout his career, not just at middleweight
you have no real instincts for this game
I will say again, Charley Burley was a better fighter than Golovkin... and he does not have 1 single title, OR defense
you casuals fall for the hype every single time
you are a shocking poster... I would just about bet my life that Manny Pacquiao is your favorite fighter
Lol. What a dumbass. “Brought.” Maybe you don’t understand the concept for various fights being “brought.” Mayne learn what evading means vs meeting for a fight
And only GGG diehards believe GGG “won both fights.” You’ve got legends and trainers saying GGG got whooped upon and lost, not from a forum
Wrong. You're an idiot. You need to keep your mouth shut about life and about boxing, especially with people like me.
Move along. You're a child.
“FACT: there is only one criteria for greatness...
WHO did you beat... with consideration given to when/how”
This is wrong. The norm throughout boxing history is that there is one dominant force in a division during his reign and he beats up on guys who are way below him class wise. If you knew anything about boxing history you would know this. It’s why Canelo Alvarez doesn’t have any good wins either.
that is absolute rubbish
most genuinely great fighters... have genuinely great wins
and there are very few exceptions to that rule
you completely made that shlt up LMAO
“beating scrubs while avoiding quality opponents is not... great”
GGG won three of the four titles at middleweight and signed up to fight Canelo Alvarez three times. He has had five bouts against current or former world title holders in his last 11 fights.
Again, I’ve said all of this numerous times but you just keep ignoring that and pumping out the same line about how he hasn’t fought anyone over and over again.
Because when you say he hasn’t fought anyone and I respond with those statistics, there’s no answer.
no, he did not... he only beat Lemieux, all of the others were elevated
so... you completely made that up, again
which is why there are no names on Golovkin's resume... and that is the very reason why he is not a genuine ATG
So please continue to never address these statistics and throw out your line.
If you don’t want to consider the WBA regular belt in GGG’s total number of defenses, that’s fine.
I’m just including what will be written in history. It’s like how Canelo isn’t really a champion at 168 but no one says that. They all just write that he is.
So with your special criteria, GGG made 10 consecutive defenses of the middleweight title, which ties for fifth all time in middleweight history.
That’s clearly all time great status. But I can’t wait for you to insult me again while addressing none of this.
pretty sure it was 11... ?
and no, that is not qualifying criteria for ATG status... I already explained to you, there is only one qualifying criteria for greatness...
WHO did you beat... with consideration given to when/how
read Cliff Rold's " Measured Against All Time " articles
you need to spend more time learning about this sport before you attempt to "educate" others... which is a tell-tale sign of that 'casual' thing we were talking about earlier
stop it man... back in the day, there was only 1 title... not 4... and there certainly were no junior titles falling out of empty cornflake boxes, like there is today... AND there were only 8 divisions... AND they fought 15(+) rounds... AND there was no welfare, to help you survive training with no income...
Charley Burley is greater than Golovkin, and he never won a single title EVER... let alone defended it
stop blurting out nameless achievements, plenty of people beat up 10 scrubs... or 11
a guy who's 2nd best win is David Lemieux... is not a genuinely great fighter
He’s an all time great for defending his middleweight title 20 consecutive times.
I’ve said that multiple times in this thread.
Never did I claim he’s an all time great because he beat Danny Jacobs (Canelo Alvarez’s second best win, btw, since you’re trying to disparage it.)
You claimed I said that in an attempt to make my point less relevant because there’s no way to discredit my point.
I brought up the 5 champions in his 11 fights since 2015 because everyone tries to claim he fights nobodies. There’s no comeback to that statistic. He clearly fights world champions on a regular basis.
that is just ret4rded casual-fan nonsense... heard it that before
FACT: there is only one criteria for greatness...
WHO did you beat... with consideration given to when/how
beating scrubs while avoiding quality opponents is not... "great"
you are not a great fighter when your best win is Danny Jacobs, and your 2nd best win is David Lemieux
you are just another dumbass casual... the threads you make prove that, most of them are ridiculous
the fact that you consider junior titles as legitimate defences also proves that you DKSAB
“5 of GGG’s 11 fights since 2015 have come against world champions.”
I don’t know why everyone on this site has reading comprehension issues.
I didn’t say he beat five champions or that it was five different people.
Canelo Alvarez twice, Daniel Jacobs, David Lemieux, Kell Brook.
you're nuts if you think Golovkin is a ATG for beating Danny Jacobs
you have extremely low standards for a supposed non-casual
Says I’m using fan boy nonsense logic, admits GGG will make the hall of fame, then adds “but he’s not a genuine great.”
Who’s the fanboy? LMFAO
you don't know the difference between a HOF'er and a genuine ATG?
how long you been following this sport... ?
Lol. Right. Just like your dumbass in the other forum trying to convince posters that the McMichaels whom killed Arbery were merely doing self defense. But you think GGG beat Canelo “twice” when video shows you the most elite level of boxing and a close fight, with judging overruling fan theory. Moretti and Trella got more proximity viewing than TV replays
No, I said that if you bring two fists to a gunfight you'll die... And if he would have stopped he'd of been alive.
That's what I said...
GGG defeated Canelo in the first fight AT WORST..... 116-112.
In the rematch you CAN ARGUE A DRAW....... But it was GGG by a closer decision.
You gotta give it up man. You're not a fighter, nor have you been around boxing at all in your life. The entire world thinks GGG won both fights.
Just give it up.
Yeah I want names? Especially the 5 Champs he beat out of 11 since 2015???
You can't converse with that dude. He hates GGG. GGG defeated Canelo twice... and he can't stand it. It kills him deep inside.
A YouTube video proves a 40-1, two-time middleweight champion who will clearly be in the hall of fame was overhyped.
Gotchya.
Lmao, these kids are clowns.
He said Golovkin didn’t fight enough champions in the four belt era. I pointed out that he fought people who held three of the four titles.
It’s not the names that make Golovkin an all time great, it’s the fact that he tied the record for most consecutive title defenses. He’s clearly going to be remembered as an all time great.
that is utter rubbish, there is only one genuine criteria for greatness
who did you beat... with consideration given to when/how
there is also a small consideration given to losses
nothing else matters
there is NOTHING about defending fake titles against scrubs in there
fake titles... that did not even exist a few years back, when Hopkins was doing his thing
get a grip, that is fanboy nonsense
Golovkin will probably make the HOF, because they do not have the highest of standards... but he is not a genuine great
I joined this site last year so you’re obviously not referring to me.
GGG did become an ATG though, so they were right?
10 opponents on GGG’s resume have only been knocked out by GGG (Steve Rolls, Vanes Martirosyan, Dominic Wade, Willie Monroe, Martin Murray, Adama Osumanu, Nobihiro Ishida, Nilson Julio Tapia, Mikhail Makarov, Ian Gardner)... if it was so easy to knock out bums, all those guys would have been knocked out by someone else in their career.
I told you that 5 of GGG’s last 11 opponents are world champions and showed you the gaudy record they have. You refuse to address it and moved the goal posts. So I kicked a field goal through your new goal posts.
Ian Gardner was not knocked out by GGG.
But IG went the distance with Arthur Abraham.
And went 11 against Chad Dawson.
When Dawson was good.
It’s the four belt era. He fought guys that held the WBC, IBF and WBA middleweight championships.
Lol. It’s impressive how dumb you are.
who did he beat... ?
stop blurting out nameless achievements... they are garbage
give us the names that made Golovkin great
WHO did you beat... with consideration given to when/how