Carl Froch - Top 5 Super Middles

The divisions history isn’t so big You could rank RJJ there, but how many fights did he have at 168? He has the definitive Toney win certainly Ward and Calzaghe you can debate forever Do you include Sugar Ray Leonard? Then there’s the Collins, Eubank, Benn, Froch etc I dunno. Really there’s RJJ, Ward and Calzaghe as the top tier, and the rest you could make a case for in any order depending on the criteria Ward has a good single win over Froch but his achievements are not greater. Froch's wins are simply better at the weight and Calzaghe's longevity and skillset trumps both. I just don't understand Jones being ranked top 5 though.

The divisions history isn’t so big You could rank RJJ there, but how many fights did he have at 168? He has the definitive Toney win certainly Ward and Calzaghe you can debate forever Do you include Sugar Ray Leonard? Then there’s the Collins, Eubank, Benn, Froch etc I dunno. Really there’s RJJ, Ward and Calzaghe as the top tier, and the rest you could make a case for in any order depending on the criteria

Can i ask why youd put joe calzaghe just under jones? Is kessler really that good a win,people rate calzaghe so highly of one extremely competitive close fight and beating a bunch of golf course caddies and rehabilitated smack heads I was going to put them side by side, but opted out of that. Those two of the top guys, the rest I cannot really place. So it is in some sort of order.

I mean cmon guys why are people ignoring calzaghes record of bums Is lacy a good win? The guy looked garbage in his fight prior to calzaghe The hype was based on lacy getting handed a title and beating a few bathroom attendants

In no particular order. Roy Jones Junior. Joe Calzaghe. Chris Eubank Senior. Nigel Benn. Andre Ward. 6: Carl Froch 'Froch head to head I just don' think he beats those guys up above, he is ranked so high due to his willingness to fight anyone'. Can i ask why youd put joe calzaghe just under jones? Is kessler really that good a win,people rate calzaghe so highly of one extremely competitive close fight and beating a bunch of golf course caddies and rehabilitated smack heads

1 roy jones however short lived 2 james toney 3 ward 4 nunn 5 mcclenan Calzaghes record was padded and the people he fought barr hopkins and kessler amounted to nothing or were way past their primes "past prime hopkins but acheieved a lot after" (lets not forget that fight could have gone either way and he made calzaghe look like an amateur,i put that loss down to the age of hopkins,if he could have let his hands go say like 5 years prior he would have made calzaghe look like an imbecile H2h id imagine james toney, roy jones and ward would have made easy work of calzaghe and made him look foolish and the others would have been competitive Calzaghe is one of the most overated boxers on this forum and his style was so amateurish,hes so lucky to have gone undefeated even against tomato cans

I can't rate RJJ that high, his opponents at the weight were absolute trash. He is much more of a 175 pounder in terms of career achievements. As for the Ward v Froch debate, h2h Ward obviously won but Froch has the WAY better achievements at the weight. Ward was both unified and lineal champion at the weight. Froch was neither...

1. Jones Jr 2. Ward 3. Toney 4. Calzaghe 5. Kessler Honourable mentions to Benn, Eubank, Froch and Nunn.

I can't rate RJJ that high, his opponents at the weight were absolute trash. He is much more of a 175 pounder in terms of career achievements. As for the Ward v Froch debate, h2h Ward obviously won but Froch has the WAY better achievements at the weight.

168 was invented for cowardly weaklings who couldnt compete at 175 and undisciplined fighters who couldnt make 160

In no particular order. Roy Jones Junior. Joe Calzaghe. Chris Eubank Senior. Nigel Benn. Andre Ward. 6: Carl Froch 'Froch head to head I just don' think he beats those guys up above, he is ranked so high due to his willingness to fight anyone'.

Nunn, McClellan, Toney and Eubank were streets ahead of Froch or Kessler, totally different kettle of fish

Ward Froch Calzaghe Kessler Idk for number 4, just whoever 168 is a division most of the greats only stay in for a cup of coffee between 160-168 The guys I mentioned are the only ones I can think of that did most of their best work there. Ward is obviously the best, Froch is above JC as he didn't beat Hopkins there, then JC beat kessler then kessler was pretty good Who's number 4 idk frickin Anthony mundine or someone TRASH division James Toney ever heard of him? :rofl:

People leaving James Toney out. :lol1:

How can Dre be below Froch? :lol1:

5. Mikkel Kessler 4. Joe Calzaghe 3. Carl Froch 2. Andre Ward 1. Roy Jones Jr Froch is a proper joker, absolutely buries Calzaghe on the show (check it on YouTube). But it's got me thinking, who are the best super middles ever? I made a list a while back but can't find it, think its here somewhere unless it has been deleted. Anyway, I think it wen sumin like this: 1. Joe Calzaghe 2. Carl Froch 3. Chris Eubank 4. Andre Ward 5. Mikkel Kessler What say you? Your list is a proper joke and clearly sheds light on your british heritage. 1. Andre Ward 2. RJJ 3. Froch 4. Joe C 5. Kessler