Is Klitschko's one of the best ever?

What point ,you said something about Stephen Hawkins being a boxing champion, what dumb ass would follow that discussion but another dumb ass and you got that out of a Steward quote he stated about how smart Vitalis IQ was who he said seemed to know when punches were coming before anyone threw them , dumb ass ? Really below average posters on here like you have to start understanding trying to be smart doesn't work, stay in your lane kid the forum would go smoother for you instead trying to be slick . Ha it is you who brought smarts into this equation, and you have found your own statement to be lacking. nice, nuff said. but next time leave me something to do.

Kinda tough after that. I still believe if Gerry Cooney was handled properly and was kept busy he would have performed better. 2 rounds in 2 years does not prepare you for Larry Holmes. His only loses are against Holmes Foreman and Spinks. Ike Quartey was another beauty. He was never the same after Oscar, but man was he good. Micheal Nunn should have dominated the Middleweight divison. Sugar Ray avoided him for 4 years. He outboxed James Toney and lost because he was not in shape and was doing coke. Mike McCallum is the only legit one I can think of outside of Spinks Vitali Norton and Benitez. He was bad news for everyone and they all avoided him. So I'm going with Mike McCallum Nunn is a great shout! He had the potential to be an ATG had he not ended up going on the white sh**. That Kalambay KO showed how good he could have been.

Under the radar... quite ironic really. :lol1: He did have some great wins though- Duran most notably. Palomino, Cervantes were very good wins too especially if you factor in how young he was. Norton definitely is the forgotten man of the 70’s era. It’s always Ali, Frazier, Foreman who are all superb fighters but Kenny showed he was right up there with them in those 3 Ali fights. Any other guys you feel got overlooked? Kinda tough after that. I still believe if Gerry Cooney was handled properly and was kept busy he would have performed better. 2 rounds in 2 years does not prepare you for Larry Holmes. His only loses are against Holmes Foreman and Spinks. Ike Quartey was another beauty. He was never the same after Oscar, but man was he good. Micheal Nunn should have dominated the Middleweight divison. Sugar Ray avoided him for 4 years. He outboxed James Toney and lost because he was not in shape and was doing coke. Mike McCallum is the only legit one I can think of outside of Spinks Vitali Norton and Benitez. He was bad news for everyone and they all avoided him. So I'm going with Mike McCallum

H2h I think quite a few beat wlad. I think fury beats any version. But he reigned a long time so should be rewarded. Really? How so if he only rematched 3 people in 60+ fights? What happened to your insistence on rematching to be great?

Under the radar... quite ironic really. :lol1: He did have some great wins though- Duran most notably. Palomino, Cervantes were very good wins too especially if you factor in how young he was. Norton definitely is the forgotten man of the 70’s era. It’s always Ali, Frazier, Foreman who are all superb fighters but Kenny showed he was right up there with them in those 3 Ali fights. Any other guys you feel got overlooked? - - More tellingly Norton/Frazier were willing to fight Ali 3x and he them, but Norton and Ali could only manage 1 fight with Big George and Frazier 2. That tells us George the top fighter in that sphere.

Benitez was a defensive specialist with offence. You are right he is under the radar as well. But Benitez didn't defeat Leonard and have 2 close rematches with him, nor did he lose a controversial decision to Hearns. Norton did this with Ali and Holmes. Even more praise for Kenny Norton (said in Howard Cosell's voice). Under the radar... quite ironic really. :lol1: He did have some great wins though- Duran most notably. Palomino, Cervantes were very good wins too especially if you factor in how young he was. Norton definitely is the forgotten man of the 70’s era. It’s always Ali, Frazier, Foreman who are all superb fighters but Kenny showed he was right up there with them in those 3 Ali fights. Any other guys you feel got overlooked?

I thought Holmes just edged him tbh. The 15th round was unbelievable. Great fight, but yeah Norton pushed both Ali and Holmes right to their limit. Similar to Wilfred Benitez he often gets overlooked because of the strength of his era. Benitez was a defensive specialist with offence. You are right he is under the radar as well. But Benitez didn't defeat Leonard and have 2 close rematches with him, nor did he lose a controversial decision to Hearns. Norton did this with Ali and Holmes. Even more praise for Kenny Norton (said in Howard Cosell's voice).

Who am i avoiding ? Once again that loss really put you in check so bad you had to change stances you cant even form a rational point . Ha when you reply to my point, like I did yours. lets see how long it takes. 1 pages so far. good luck.

H2h I think quite a few beat wlad. I think fury beats any version. But he reigned a long time so should be rewarded.

The Wilder loss really scrambled your brains didn't it ? Ha yuh i loved it, great seeing that dope fall. but its poor avoidance by you.

Id be hard pressed to find more then 5 guys to potentially defeat Vitali in boxings history ,id find 5 for Wlad but realistically both are top 5 head to head fighters, Vitali isnt an all time great but that doesnt mean everyone gets by him boxing doesnt work like that the 6'7 giant is problems a big problem for anyone that signs to fight him . Edit : Manny Steward who is argubly one of the best trainers of all time said Vitali was the second smartest fighter he ever met and been around training Wlad right behind Ali and its packaged in a 6'7 240 plus frame . Think about that one . i did think longer than you about it. What I thought was that hes only the 2nd one to have a pHd so its perfectly arguable hes one of the smartest champions. But that doesnt make Stephen Hawking an all time great middleweight too.

amazing for being from the same family owning some of the world titles at the same time, think about it, its historic. Noones done it. But individually, not in the top ten obviously, getting mashed out serially by middlers when prime in wlads case, and in vitalis case barely facing one good opponent all his career. Noone in the top ten or even twenty is remotely like this.

What people don't realize is that during his prime, other than the Caracas Caper he had one clear defeat and that was early early in his career. Otheriwse he beat Ali, lost the rematch( in my mind clearly although it was extremely competitive to the last second) in a best fight of the trilogy, and arguably could have won the 3rd. He Ko's the best up and coming contender in ONE round on national TV. And then he defends against Holmes in perhaps the best Heavyweight fight ever. He should have had the victory because he was champ. So here's a guy who beats Holmes and Ali and is never talked about. His losses were way past his prime and the Holmes fight was his last great performance because he left it all in the ring. He deserves better coverage. I thought Holmes just edged him tbh. The 15th round was unbelievable. Great fight, but yeah Norton pushed both Ali and Holmes right to their limit. Similar to Wilfred Benitez he often gets overlooked because of the strength of his era.

I’d add Ken Norton to that list also... What people don't realize is that during his prime, other than the Caracas Caper he had one clear defeat and that was early early in his career. Otheriwse he beat Ali, lost the rematch( in my mind clearly although it was extremely competitive to the last second) in a best fight of the trilogy, and arguably could have won the 3rd. He Ko's the best up and coming contender in ONE round on national TV. And then he defends against Holmes in perhaps the best Heavyweight fight ever. He should have had the victory because he was champ. So here's a guy who beats Holmes and Ali and is never talked about. His losses were way past his prime and the Holmes fight was his last great performance because he left it all in the ring. He deserves better coverage.

English isn't my first language but w.e So true you has to say it twice? Dont worry man only teasing. 👍🏻😃 I think Vitali was better but injuries messed him up. Wladimir became less exciting when he relished his chin was shaky. You can only beat what’s in front of you so Wlad has to be respected for his long reign. He still beat all the top guys available in those 10 years

Definitely. He lost few rounds. And was never dominated, he always dominated. One of the all time best and one of the most underated fighters ever this side of Micheal Spinks. I’d add Ken Norton to that list also...

Wladmir is without doubt he was awesome vitali never beat anyone And is remembered most for a loss Who exactly did Wladimir beat? :lol1: Haye? Povetkin? :lol1: His best win was Chris Byrd. Is Chris Byrd all that much better than Briggs, Sanders, Peter etc. Both Klitschko’s were great fighters but neither beat top opposition- not through fault of their own through the most part...

Wladmir is without doubt he was awesome vitali never beat anyone And is remembered most for a loss

Vitali was definitely the better Klitschko IMO. Wladimir was more athletic and slightly better technically but Vitali had much more toughness, resolve, and that granite chin that Wlad lacked. He never lost on merit either. (Injury vs Byrd and the cut against Lewis.) If he didn’t have his injury troubles in the mid 2000’s, he would have had a far greater career IMO. Definitely. He lost few rounds. And was never dominated, he always dominated. One of the all time best and one of the most underated fighters ever this side of Micheal Spinks.

Your post title was both supremely illiterate and nonsensical. 5 stars. Congrats 👏🏻👏🏻😂 English isn't my first language but w.e