What are Floyd and Manny's best 3 wins each?

Yet is 2020 Manny is still top 10 p4p and world champ... throws the whole waited til he got old excuse out the window..plus floyd is like 2 years older

Floyd’s wins over PAC and Canelo have big asterisks. Neither in their prime. I’d say for a best win it would have to be an opponent close to in his prime. If PAC beat Floyd it would only be big due to the undefeated aspect, but lots of folks would claim that Floyd wasn’t in his prime, because neither were. But especially Manny. Manny changed completely after the Marquez KO. He became...domesticated. floyd is older than Pac genius and was like 36 when he fought canelo...almost a decade after his own prime

I think you could name like two fighters in his record who have height/reach advantage like Corrales and Dela Hoya. With Pac, he hasn't fought anyone smaller than him ever since he moved up to fight Barrera. It's amazing how he negates the height disadvantages just by bouncing intermittently and in spurts. I think in terms of p4p all time, you could make an argument for manny since none of the ATGs were as small as manny. None of them was as small as a flyweight. Most of the ATGs are big and have all the height, reach, length advantages. Mosley had the height and reach. So did Ndou. Ortiz had the height. His first belt came against a guy with 3 inches in height. Size isn’t all about height/reach anyway. There’s a reason that there are weight divisions in all combat sports instead of height/reach divisions. Just an all around bullsht post.

I mean it was the classic A-side move from Floyd...Something we have seen for years and will continue seeing. The A-sider will try to get advantages when they can....Now, saying that, please tell me how you felt the 152 pound limit affected Canelo in the fight? What did you see that was any different from him? Could he not pull the trigger? Did he lose some of his ability to take a punch because of the weight? Was his stamina worse? Like there was no difference in the Canelo we saw vs Floyd opposed to the one we saw against Trout or Lara. He just got flat out beat and schooled in spots. And that's okay, his style is tailor made for Floyd. No shame in that. But it is just lazy to try to down play the win by acting like he was drained. If Canelo won, would anyone bring up the weight? Broner had Porter come down to 144 and hardly anyone talks about it since Porter fought like he always fights and won clearly. All I can say is I am consistent with my views on that...if anyone did something similar, I would have more or less the same opinion. It just looks bad when you do it...and when the opponent doesn't perform well, I think you have to question whether, and how much, the weight affected him. I just honestly can't really say how much credit Floyd deserves for that fight...I do think Canelo was a bit green (as evidenced by his rather foolish gameplan) and I do have to at least question how much the weight affected him. It is also fair to argue that Canelo isn't a much different fighter now vs then...and if you don't think the weight affected him, then that is a fair opinion. Again I do think Canelo is a similar fighter now...but stronger, and the weight class increases for him probably have something to do with that...I think the 'greenness' hurt Canelo gameplan wise more than skill wise. I just don't know how much different of a fighter Canelo was at 152 and 23 years old...vs what he is now...and I think he is definitely stronger and more formidable now at the higher weights...more mature and stronger.

If the weight didn't matter...why did Floyd make him come down to 152? Or was that Canelo's idea now I mean it was the classic A-side move from Floyd...Something we have seen for years and will continue seeing. The A-sider will try to get advantages when they can....Now, saying that, please tell me how you felt the 152 pound limit affected Canelo in the fight? What did you see that was any different from him? Could he not pull the trigger? Did he lose some of his ability to take a punch because of the weight? Was his stamina worse? Like there was no difference in the Canelo we saw vs Floyd opposed to the one we saw against Trout or Lara. He just got flat out beat and schooled in spots. And that's okay, his style is tailor made for Floyd. No shame in that. But it is just lazy to try to down play the win by acting like he was drained. If Canelo won, would anyone bring up the weight? Broner had Porter come down to 144 and hardly anyone talks about it since Porter fought like he always fights and won clearly.

Floyd: 1) Pac 2) Canelo 3) Corrales Pac: 1) Marquez II 2) Barrera I 3) Cotto Couldn't agree more! This is spot on!

Nothing to say about that line up I posted..... The list I supplied has hints of sarcasm but it's not as if I'm making it up. Pac is getting love for fighting those guys. Pac fans rarely pick apart his resume. If you feel travelling is risky business, then a sensible debate is moot. Bro how can you really act like it's not risky to travel lol...crazy man. And I didn't respond to the Pac breakdown because I don't really care lol...I think his resume and Floyd's both get hyped up a bit but I don't really care to get into the weeds about it all the time. Edit - btw Idk if you highlighted 'travelling' for a reason...but 1 L is the US version and 2 Ls is the UK version.

You're forgetting the biggest risks in traveling...officiating/judging/and just generally being out of your comfort zone, which can affect performance as well. I guess you're a big Mayweather guy? I can't really tell what your point is tbh...you seem less interested in having a convo compared to trying to prop up Floyd and down Manny. You can pick apart the resume/fighter list of basically anyone all-time...Ali the only guy for me to immediately come to mind as having faced many top fighters in their primes, in more or less neutral places...and that is why many call him the GOAT...and that is even with a pretty mixed bag in many of his big fights. Nothing to say about that line up I posted..... The list I supplied has hints of sarcasm but it's not as if I'm making it up. Pac is getting love for fighting those guys. Pac fans rarely pick apart his resume. If you feel travelling is risky business, then a sensible debate is moot.

The only risk in traveling is the food and maybe the weather. Here's the ''risks'' Pac had to endure :) (guys may have ONCE been legit but definitely NOT when Pac FOUGHT THEM) In no particular order - Lucas - puhleese Vargas - low ko % Bradley THREE TIMES - low ko % Horn - if rough housing had a division, Horn would still be a chump. Rios - (see Lucas) Margarito - Size and all aside..... https://www.sbnation.com/2010/11/12/1810933/pacquiao-vs-margarito-odds-saturday-night-cowboys-stadium Algieri - low ko % JMM - Pac struggled where My cruised. No need for a 2. DLH - If you are more of a fan of the sport you will see this for what it really was Clottey - Had one moment in his career where he kinda shined (vs Cotto). Mosley - They touched gloves more than anything. It was pitiful. Even May wasn't a risk with his low WW ko %. I can't believe it's even a debate. Can you imagine the abuse ANY OTHER FIGHTER would suffer if they had such a resume and thought of as ATG ?!?!?!? Taking into account May's love for the A Side life, if the boss can have his work come TO HIM, there may not be a sweeter perk. And being a boss (A Side) is all about perks. May would NOT become a more beatable guy if he fuucking traveled :lol1: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You're forgetting the biggest risks in traveling...officiating/judging/and just generally being out of your comfort zone, which can affect performance as well. I guess you're a big Mayweather guy? I can't really tell what your point is tbh...you seem less interested in having a convo compared to trying to prop up Floyd and down Manny. You can pick apart the resume/fighter list of basically anyone all-time...Ali the only guy for me to immediately come to mind as having faced many top fighters in their primes, in more or less neutral places...and that is why many call him the GOAT...and that is even with a pretty mixed bag in many of his big fights.

Taking into account May's love for the A Side life, if the boss can have his work come TO HIM, there may not be a sweeter perk. And being a boss (A Side) is all about perks. May would NOT become a more beatable guy if he fuucking traveled :lol1: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm not a 'pac-fan' so I would say he did similar to Floyd...used his A-side superstar status to take favorable fights, and often times negotiated things like weight in his favor. He did however travel, to face Horn in Australia for example...and the Marquez fights were always risky enough for him...as evidenced by the results. I've also always viewed Manny as a fairly smaller-sized guy even relative to Floyd...if Floyd is a natural 140 pounder, Manny is maybe at best 135...so I think his moving up in weight was a bit tougher/riskier than Floyd...he was fighting naturally larger guys...Margarito...Cotto...Horn...ODLH...they all just dwarfed Pac in there and he was 3-1 and some say 4-0 in those fights. I don't really follow your logic man...saying a guy weighing 152 would be competitive with guys weighing 147...5 pounds is a nice little bonus..weight classes exist for a reason The only risk in traveling is the food and maybe the weather. Here's the ''risks'' Pac had to endure :) (guys may have ONCE been legit but definitely NOT when Pac FOUGHT THEM) In no particular order - Lucas - puhleese Vargas - low ko % Bradley THREE TIMES - low ko % Horn - if rough housing had a division, Horn would still be a chump. Rios - (see Lucas) Margarito - Size and all aside..... https://www.sbnation.com/2010/11/12/1810933/pacquiao-vs-margarito-odds-saturday-night-cowboys-stadium Algieri - low ko % JMM - Pac struggled where My cruised. No need for a 2. DLH - If you are more of a fan of the sport you will see this for what it really was Clottey - Had one moment in his career where he kinda shined (vs Cotto). Mosley - They touched gloves more than anything. It was pitiful. Even May wasn't a risk with his low WW ko %. I can't believe it's even a debate. Can you imagine the abuse ANY OTHER FIGHTER would suffer if they had such a resume and thought of as ATG ?!?!?!?

What risks did Pac take :dunno: I'm not a 'pac-fan' so I would say he did similar to Floyd...used his A-side superstar status to take favorable fights, and often times negotiated things like weight in his favor. He did however travel, to face Horn in Australia for example...and the Marquez fights were always risky enough for him...as evidenced by the results. I've also always viewed Manny as a fairly smaller-sized guy even relative to Floyd...if Floyd is a natural 140 pounder, Manny is maybe at best 135...so I think his moving up in weight was a bit tougher/riskier than Floyd...he was fighting naturally larger guys...Margarito...Cotto...Horn...ODLH...they all just dwarfed Pac in there and he was 3-1 and some say 4-0 in those fights. The one Floyd beat. I don't really follow your logic man...saying a guy weighing 152 would be competitive with guys weighing 147...5 pounds is a nice little bonus..weight classes exist for a reason

You mean JMW or WW? At 152 pounds I hope Canelo could have at least been competitive vs anyone else at that time at 147 The one Floyd beat.

Eh idk man...Floyd was great, but he took no real risks in his Money May days...never had to...and then he was still good enough to always win when he tilted the odds in his favor...definitely a great fighter but people over-hype some of his performances and wins imho What risks did Pac take :dunno:

Imho, Mays last 15 fights tramples Pac's. Eh idk man...Floyd was great, but he took no real risks in his Money May days...never had to...and then he was still good enough to always win when he tilted the odds in his favor...definitely a great fighter but people over-hype some of his performances and wins imho

I think both Floyd and Manny's best work was in their early days really Imho, Mays last 15 fights tramples Pac's.

:fing02: Imho, Pac's true best were at least 15 years ago. I think both Floyd and Manny's best work was in their early days really

What is not said by the sour grape brigade is that Canelo would have beat any other WW in the world that night. You know they haters crying in their lap when they try to bring down a master performance to a ATG fighter who is on top of world boxing right now. You mean JMW or WW? At 152 pounds I hope Canelo could have at least been competitive vs anyone else at that time at 147

But continuing to bring up 155 makes no sense here. Canelo was NOT fighting at 155 at that time. He was making 154 and was a .5 pound under that limit the fight prior. Three years after the Floyd fight he made 154 again. But watching that fight, tell me how exactly you thought Canelo was drained or how the weight affected him. This is an unnecessary narrative. No one watching the fight thought Canelo was impacted much from the 152 pound limit. He simply got out boxed and his style played right in Floyd's hands. Canelo at his heart is a skilled counter puncher with very good boxing skills. But how exactly is he going to out box Floyd at mid range or from the outside when Floyd is quicker, has better reflexes and is even more skillful? It wasn't even like Canelo fought terrible or anything, just wasn't on that level. Canelo struggled against Floyd and Lara, two quicker boxers than him. It actually isn't all that surprising that he is doing better as he goes up the weight classes as he now has the speed/quickness advantage over every opponent. Btw man...with our knowledge of doping...and with Canelo's association with doping/weight cutting aides...I don't really see how saying that the last of 6 next fights being at 154, vs the other 5 being at 155, is indicative of Canelo being comfortable in the Floyd fight at 152. His next five fights after that were 155...pretty clear at that time that he was struggling to even make 154...he had to create his own fuc.king weight class for crying out loud

Alvarez basically entered his prime either right before or right after the Mayweather fight. Anyone pretending he was far from his best or anything is flat out wrong. It's not like he's some remarkably different fighter today. ? In his next fight, at 155, Canelo KOed Angulo in 10 rounds...in his last fight, at 175, Canelo KOed Kovalev in 11 rounds. Like wut man