The story of how Miguel Cotto saved Floyd Mayweather Jr's career/life

So we're just gonna act like floyd wasnt on roids? Burst the bubble and give us them links :boxing:

Yes I remember when the fight appeared to be a done deal for early 2010. The crazy thing is they both got paid way more in the end than they would have initially so we ended up paying more for a lower-quality fight. Then again, they probably would have made even more if they had a 2-3 fight series. Oh well... floyd let that pot marinade from 100m split to 200m in 5 years.

floyd wanted it, pac kept refusing the tests and purse. floyd offered him 40m guarantee with a rematch clause Yes I remember when the fight appeared to be a done deal for early 2010. The crazy thing is they both got paid way more in the end than they would have initially so we ended up paying more for a lower-quality fight. Then again, they probably would have made even more if they had a 2-3 fight series. Oh well...

Hang on Im not saying Cotto would have won, Im saying the CW had an effect on his performance and Manny should have fought him without a CW after he called him out and then backflipped because Cotto would not accept a CW again, not saying he wins but its a asterisk . We will never know but I dont like the way Manny implemented CWs, it was never really size that was just a front, it was to disadvantage his opponent, he did it to Cotto and he did it to JMM, took them nth and sth 147 for Juan 145 Cotto 150 Margarito, Algerie Rios Bradly all having first fight at WW was matched at 147 , Oscar didnt make 147 for 10 yrs and 147 was fine. Manny played weight like no other fighter in history, Okay, I think it's reasonable to put an asterisk for catchweight fights if its done consistently and not just to certain fighters. Personally I think Cotto looked and performed just fine (physically speaking) weighing 145 the day before.

Look, you're entitled to your opinion and I can respect that. But I'm not defending Pacquiao asking for catchweights to fight Cotto. I just don't think that's the reason Pacquiao won. Cotto did the same thing for fights at 154 and 160, and I don't think the catchweights are the reason he won.Those are his 3rd and 4th weightclasses respectively. Pacquiao was at what, his 7th weightclass when challenging Cotto? Cotto must have really pissed you off when he drained Martinez and Margarito to achieve two of his most significant wins. Hang on Im not saying Cotto would have won, Im saying the CW had an effect on his performance and Manny should have fought him without a CW after he called him out and then backflipped because Cotto would not accept a CW again, not saying he wins but its a asterisk . We will never know but I dont like the way Manny implemented CWs, it was never really size that was just a front, it was to disadvantage his opponent, he did it to Cotto and he did it to JMM, took them nth and sth 147 for Juan 145 Cotto 150 Margarito, Algerie Rios Bradly all having first fight at WW was matched at 147 , Oscar didnt make 147 for 10 yrs and 147 was fine. Manny played weight like no other fighter in history,

Circumstantial evidence is climbing all over Manny on different fronts and it adds up and its quite strong. If Manny who called out Cotto for a 154 title didnt once again want a CW he probably would have ended the whole CW thing, but nope same man but he still wanted a CW that is total BS and screams you cant beat him without a CW or at least thats what he thought. Think about how he wanted 144 in the first fight and then wanted 150 in the second but he couldnt have 147 in the first , fishy as bait left in the Sun. Look, you're entitled to your opinion and I can respect that. But I'm not defending Pacquiao asking for catchweights to fight Cotto. I just don't think that's the reason Pacquiao won. Cotto did the same thing for fights at 154 and 160, and I don't think the catchweights are the reason he won.Those are his 3rd and 4th weightclasses respectively. Pacquiao was at what, his 7th weightclass when challenging Cotto? Cotto must have really pissed you off when he drained Martinez and Margarito to achieve two of his most significant wins.

How can floyd s win over jmm be as good as Pac s win over clottey? clotte y had campaigned at W w and was proven! You'd put your money on clottey to beat jmm surely? Surely that's how you judge it, put your love for floyd to one side for a second. Jmm was considered a good opponent as it was floyd s comeback but you don't usually put money on guy who steps up 2 divisions with no warm up!I Jmm would be underdog against clotte y you know, or am I missing something? Lucas, Rios, Vargas, CLOTTEY, Bradley 3x, HORN, Broner....on and on.

You are dumbest fck on the enitre forum, you got to be insane or an alcoholic, dam Clottey coming of a loss and was only ever a fringe contender. And he didnt even try to win and bruised Manny like Blue ball. I dont get half the sht you write you gotta be off in the head. Clottey losing to cott o don't make him a bum. Some thought clottey won. Zab Judah is often cited as great win for Floyd , and zab lost to baldomir? Zab lost to cott o and yes to clottey also! Jmm lost to Pac and Bradley so why is it great win for floyd? Jmm was only famous for losing to Pac whilst doing well. J mm had no wins at WW. So Pac beats proven ww and it's not as good as floyd s win over lightweight? Does that make sense to you?

That's just an excuse. As a big Cotto fan I appreciate all the circumstantial evidence you bring up, but I have to be honest with myself and admit that it just doesn't hold up in my opinion. For example, Cotto didn't leave Arum immediately after the Manny fight, in fact, he still worked with Top Rank after his contract expired. He also moved up to 154 for a title opportunity in NY city, not because he couldn't make the welterweight limit anymore, but because it was a good opportunity. Cotto was smart in not accepting the catchweight against Manny, I wouldn't have done anything lower than 152, but I think that may have been too high for Pacquiao. Cotto never went down in weight again, and that may have been a smart move too on his part. But it looks to me like he just doesn't like cutting weight, not that he couldn't fight at a lower weight. He actually demanded lower weights when it benefited him (like he did for the Margarito rematch). Freddie Roach also let the cat out of the bag when he went public with comments indicating Cotto's weight during training camp was pretty low, to the point he told him to eat more, and was actually considering fights at welterweight for him. Circumstantial evidence is climbing all over Manny on different fronts and it adds up and its quite strong. If Manny who called out Cotto for a 154 title didnt once again want a CW he probably would have ended the whole CW thing, but nope same man but he still wanted a CW that is total BS and screams you cant beat him without a CW or at least thats what he thought. Think about how he wanted 144 in the first fight and then wanted 150 in the second but he couldnt have 147 in the first , fishy as bait left in the Sun.

How can floyd s win over jmm be as good as Pac s win over clottey? clotte y had campaigned at W w and was proven! You'd put your money on clottey to beat jmm surely? Surely that's how you judge it, put your love for floyd to one side for a second. Jmm was considered a good opponent as it was floyd s comeback but you don't usually put money on guy who steps up 2 divisions with no warm up!I Jmm would be underdog against clotte y you know, or am I missing something? You are dumbest fck on the enitre forum, you got to be insane or an alcoholic, dam Clottey coming of a loss and was only ever a fringe contender. And he didnt even try to win and bruised Manny like Blue ball. I dont get half the sht you write you gotta be off in the head.

Says you :lol1: Your hero has the shlttiest WW resume of anyone who's known. Your love for him is to blinding for you to see. Lucas, Rios, Vargas, CLOTTEY, Bradley 3x, HORN ( :lol1: )....on and on. ? How can floyd s win over jmm be as good as Pac s win over clottey? clotte y had campaigned at W w and was proven! You'd put your money on clottey to beat jmm surely? Surely that's how you judge it, put your love for floyd to one side for a second. Jmm was considered a good opponent as it was floyd s comeback but you don't usually put money on guy who steps up 2 divisions with no warm up!I Jmm would be underdog against clotte y you know, or am I missing something?

I think it goes both ways if we're looking at it objectively. Floyd was also better in 2009-2012 than he was in 2015, in spite of the fact that many people act as if he somehow preserved himself in a time machine for six years while Manny went through wars. The truth is that Pacquiao would have been more explosive and Mayweather would have been more elusive. If you look closely you will see that both guys began to decline slightly after 2010. Manny became less of a whirlwind after Margarito while Mayweather became more flat-footed after Marquez. It's truly a shame we didn't get to see the fight when it was originally signed because Pacquiao was lighting up guys who thought they could steamroll him and that wasn't Mayweather's game. Meanwhile, Floyd excelled at forcing guys to fight at his pace and Manny was great at speeding things up. It would have been awesome to see which guy could impose his will on the other at that time. floyd wanted it, pac kept refusing the tests and purse. floyd offered him 40m guarantee with a rematch clause

im not a fan of pac. but 2009-2012 manny wouldve given floyd problems. I think it goes both ways if we're looking at it objectively. Floyd was also better in 2009-2012 than he was in 2015, in spite of the fact that many people act as if he somehow preserved himself in a time machine for six years while Manny went through wars. The truth is that Pacquiao would have been more explosive and Mayweather would have been more elusive. If you look closely you will see that both guys began to decline slightly after 2010. Manny became less of a whirlwind after Margarito while Mayweather became more flat-footed after Marquez. It's truly a shame we didn't get to see the fight when it was originally signed because Pacquiao was lighting up guys who thought they could steamroll him and that wasn't Mayweather's game. Meanwhile, Floyd excelled at forcing guys to fight at his pace and Manny was great at speeding things up. It would have been awesome to see which guy could impose his will on the other at that time.

The straw that broke the camels back, Have you ever hear of that saying, a year later is a long time to a fighter and went straight to 154, and he said himself he would never drain his body like that for another fighter. Tell how does Cotto BS fly, Manny beat the snot out of Cotto with a CW Cotto did not want, originally the demand was 144 and Cotto said go suck an egg, Arum pressured Cotto to accept Cotto didnt want his title on the line. Cotto ditches Arum and goes straight to 154, Manny calls him out for that title and wants another CW Cotto said no he will not do that again and Manny goes of digs a dead Margarito and CWs him for a paper title. How the fck does that work seeing as YOU saying the weight doesnt matter, then why the fck didnt Manny beat the same Cotto at 154 for a legit title, I know why and so does Manny, there is no way Manny will fight Cotto unless he is drained down. That's just an excuse. As a big Cotto fan I appreciate all the circumstantial evidence you bring up, but I have to be honest with myself and admit that it just doesn't hold up in my opinion. For example, Cotto didn't leave Arum immediately after the Manny fight, in fact, he still worked with Top Rank after his contract expired. He also moved up to 154 for a title opportunity in NY city, not because he couldn't make the welterweight limit anymore, but because it was a good opportunity. Cotto was smart in not accepting the catchweight against Manny, I wouldn't have done anything lower than 152, but I think that may have been too high for Pacquiao. Cotto never went down in weight again, and that may have been a smart move too on his part. But it looks to me like he just doesn't like cutting weight, not that he couldn't fight at a lower weight. He actually demanded lower weights when it benefited him (like he did for the Margarito rematch). Freddie Roach also let the cat out of the bag when he went public with comments indicating Cotto's weight during training camp was pretty low, to the point he told him to eat more, and was actually considering fights at welterweight for him.

There's not a whole lot to say about the weight really. Cotto was a welterweight that voluntarily came in at 146 in his previous fight before facing Pacquiao. It's not like Cotto was a better 154 lbs fighter than he was at welterweight. If anything he was older and slower by the time he won a title at 154lbs. The noteworthy factors that matter in my opinion is Cotto having a real trainer in his corner for the Mayweather fight and the fact he was coming off a significant win by avenging his first loss against Margarito. The straw that broke the camels back, Have you ever hear of that saying, a year later is a long time to a fighter and went straight to 154, and he said himself he would never drain his body like that for another fighter. Tell how does Cotto BS fly, Manny beat the snot out of Cotto with a CW Cotto did not want, originally the demand was 144 and Cotto said go suck an egg, Arum pressured Cotto to accept Cotto didnt want his title on the line. Cotto ditches Arum and goes straight to 154, Manny calls him out for that title and wants another CW Cotto said no he will not do that again and Manny goes of digs a dead Margarito and CWs him for a paper title. How the fck does that work seeing as YOU saying the weight doesnt matter, then why the fck didnt Manny beat the same Cotto at 154 for a legit title, I know why and so does Manny, there is no way Manny will fight Cotto unless he is drained down.

Citto went life and death with clottey. Clottey better win than jmm for floyd also. Says you :lol1: Your hero has the shlttiest WW resume of anyone who's known. Your love for him is to blinding for you to see. Lucas, Rios, Vargas, CLOTTEY, Bradley 3x, HORN ( :lol1: )....on and on. How long did your heart stop when JMM sent homeboy on a magical mystery tour ???

If a 9 pound difference doesn't matter to you then I don't know what to tell you. When they wanted to rematch Cotto for his 154 title they told him to come down to 150 for the same money of the first fight for. There's not a whole lot to say about the weight really. Cotto was a welterweight that voluntarily came in at 146 in his previous fight before facing Pacquiao. It's not like Cotto was a better 154 lbs fighter than he was at welterweight. If anything he was older and slower by the time he won a title at 154lbs. The noteworthy factors that matter in my opinion is Cotto having a real trainer in his corner for the Mayweather fight and the fact he was coming off a significant win by avenging his first loss against Margarito.

yo forgot to mention roger, lol. - -Forgot baby mama too. She no like her joy toy beat up.

That doesn't matter. If a 9 pound difference doesn't matter to you then I don't know what to tell you. When they wanted to rematch Cotto for his 154 title they told him to come down to 150 for the same money of the first fight for.

So if Pac is supposedly so much greater than Floyd then why does he always struggle and get KTFO against Marquez?