What's the real reason Pacquiao refused Floyd's Random Blood Testing offer in 2009?

NOTE: the first 4 options in this poll... are total bullshlt * He didn't want to give Mayweather the control/play his game * He felt at the time it was a ridiculous offer/harassment * He hated needles * He truly felt that drawing blood close to fight would weaken him those 4 options are total bullshlt, none of those silly excuses are possible because Pacquiao agreed to USADA testing... the fight died because he refused to accept a 14-day cutoff date, insisting on a 24-day cutoff so the only options left are... * He was hiding something more sinister * Other

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No. It didn't. There was no problem with there being blood testing. There was an issue with the CUT OFF for blood testing. Obviously it was Pac's team's fault because a 24 day cut off makes no sense. I don't know why you think this is relevant. Floyd Sr. doesn't negotiate fights for Floyd Mayweather. Your deflection isn't working, bruv. Again, the issue wasn't that there would be blood testing. The issue was with the cut-off date. Pacquiao wanted 30 days, got busted giving blood 24 days before one of his other fights, his team then couldn't justify 30 days and shifted to 24 days. And no, a boxer doesn't need 24 days to recover from giving blood, obviously. It's not rocket science. and unbelievably, Mayweather agreed to a 14-day cutoff which is bizarre, because there is no such thing as a cutoff date for random blood testing... USADA test right up to the fight the difference boiled down to 10 days what would have happened during that additional 10-day period... that made the request for USADA testing a total deal-breaker, in such a massive fight?

lol you dont even make sense anymore, you're just posting just to save face lol.. the fight fell apart because floyd asked for blood testing! so again, how was that team pac's fault? did roach sent a text to floyd telling floyd to demand for random testing during negotiation so that roach can advise pac to say no? was that it? lol.. sr. said in an interview in 2009 (which is around the time the first negotiation started) that he will advise floyd not to fight manny... then all of a sudden floyd asked for random blood testing which he never need it previously for all his fights.... coincidence??? or was sr's in floyd's ear? you tell me! lol.. bullshlt !! :lol1: that fight did not fall apart until Pacquiao refused LMAO dude, stop making ridiculous excuses... nobody else had a problem taking harmless blood tests Pac gave a grand total of 8 ridiculous excuses to avoid random blood tests... which is absurd, because we needed 1 genuine reason... Pac gave a grand total of 8 ridiculous excuses, because he did not have 1 genuine reason which one of those 8 ridiculous excuses did you believe... ? serious question... let's find out how you roll which one of those ridiculous excuses worked for you... ? FACT: when Pac finally agreed to testing, none of those 8 ridiculous excuses were even mentioned... not one, NOT ONCE!! FACT: nobody else had a problem taking harmless blood tests

No. The fight fell apart because Pacquiao claimed to need 24 days to recover from giving 2 tbsps of blood. I shouldn't have to explain why that is ridiculous. Ok. And what I'm telling you is this. Regarding a fight in 2012: Mayweather said: Let's get it on. Pacquiao said: ......... (Silence) Arum said: Pac wants Marquez. The fight is made with Marquez. So how is it exactly that Floyd's stance changed once Manny got Knocked out cold? He was calling for the fight when Pac's team said no to it, before he got knocked out. That's all I'm saying to you. lol you dont even make sense anymore, you're just posting just to save face lol.. the fight fell apart because floyd asked for blood testing! so again, how was that team pac's fault? did roach sent a text to floyd telling floyd to demand for random testing during negotiation so that roach can advise pac to say no? was that it? lol.. sr. said in an interview in 2009 (which is around the time the first negotiation started) that he will advise floyd not to fight manny... then all of a sudden floyd asked for random blood testing which he never need it previously for all his fights.... coincidence??? or was sr's in floyd's ear? you tell me! lol..

I have no problem with you bringing his father in it. I don't see the point. His father said he feels Floyd shouldn't fight him. Freddie Roach said Pac's side was the reason for the fight not happening. I don't see the issue :dunno: You're not playing this like you want to discuss the truth. You're playing this like you're a defense attorney. lol. You're trying to say we can only go by exactly what Pacquaio said. But didn't Pacquaio always say, "It's up to my promoter, Bob Arum." So when Bob Arum says they aren't interested in the fight...... sr said he will advise floyd not to fight pac.. this was in 2009, you know around the time the negotiation started...... roach's video came out years later.... so are you telling me roach sent a secret email to floyd to tell floyd to demand random testing for manny because roach knows manny will not accept it? lol..... the fight fell apart ALL because of floyd asking for random blood testing... so again, how was it team pac's fault if you wanna use what roach is saying? lol. you quoted me and responded to me saying floyd was damm near begging pac for a fight before his jail time... so i said that's not true because if he was begging pac for a fight, he would have dropped the blood testing demand which is what KILLED the fight.... so i said let's look at what each fighter has said and let's see who was really ducking who! i posted all the stuff that pac said -- and he wanted a cut off, that's it. he never made any other excuses, he says he wanted a cut off and he explained his reasons why. then i posted all the stuff that floyd said -- telling pac he needs to avenge the loss to bradley, then to marquez, then saying pac needs to leave TR first and signed with TMT.. all that came from floyd jr! not sr, not roger, not jeff! this is why i am asking you why are you bringing up stuff from roach? because if you wanna do that, then i can also bring up stuff from sr. geezus man!!

What????? So your defense is that you don't want me to mention that Pacquiao's team directly stated that they don't want the fight? Do you think Pacquiao negotiates for himself or how exactly do you believe this worked? He had someone representing him, and that person directly told you they weren't interested in the fight that Mayweather was calling for at that time. It's right there. :dunno: this was about floyd/pac. you said floyd was damm near begging pac for a fight. so i said let's break it down between them 2 and see who was ducking and dodging! is that clear enough for you? if you wanna bring up what roach said then i can do the same too about what mayweather sr said. so sr said in 2009 that he would advise his son not to fight manny. since you wanna bring up roach. “Lil Floyd would whoop (him), but to tell you the truth, I don’t think he should fight him,” Mayweather Sr. said. “That would be my advice to him.”

I wasn't even talking about the first time, which by the way Freddie Roach already admit was Pac's side's fault, but good try distorting that :lol1: I'm referring to you saying things changed after Pac got knocked out. False. As I showed you above, Mayweather is on record calling for Pacquiao to fight, and Pacquiao's side stated that they would side step it. Them be the facts. You only need to listen to the first few seconds of this. He's very clear about who's fault it was the fight didn't initially happen. And again, what did I bring up? Why didn't Pac's side want to negotiate for the fight in 2012? Well, here you go: Seems very clear, now doesn't it? Like I said, that was before Pacquiao was knocked cold. geezus travs.. i said stick to the guys being mention here floyd/pac... let's break it down and see who was doing the ducking and dodging and please try to stick to the main guys being mention here, floyd/manny. i knew you was gonna bring stuff up from roach, arum, etc.. that's why i said stick to the guys being mention here. if you wanna just go off track then i can do that too... look what sr said regarding manny juicing. geezus man, im done here with you. Actually, Floyd Sr. would love for Pacquiao to be on some type of steroid or HGH when he meets his son in three months. And the reason for that is he's fully aware that there's no drug or supplement available to anyone which helps a fighter take a better punch than he would if his system were free of them. Such a drug or steroid that transforms a fighter into a puncher via a bottle or needle doesn't exist, at least not in 2009. And if you've ever been around fighters who have experimented with them looking for an edge, you'd know they did nothing for them but mess up their body chemistry.

IOC is going off the WADA list. The Vegas commission in 2010 went by no such standard because “advanced” testing wasn’t an industry protocol in boxing. And yes, Floyd knows about random type of testing because he was an Olympian. You keep owning yourself... i never said floyd didnt. i asked you, was floyd doing olympian type testing. i think reading owns you. lol.

I think options 1, 2 and 4 makes the most sense but I picked 4 because: 2005 - if you drag the Pacquiao that lost to Morales and ask him to enumerate his reasons why he lost, taking blood sample would be in his top 3 excuses. Note that Pac never lost since that time which means that Morales fight was his worst nightmare during that time (now it’s 2nd to the 2012 JMM loss). The moment Floyd and his team opened up that blood testing proposal, I knew Pac was going to deny that proposal. I was hoping Floyd might concede and let it pass through like how Pac was able to get by Delahoya, Hatton and Cotto negotiations but I understood quickly that it’s not gonna happen cause Floyd, like Pac, was also an A-side and both were stubborn at that time. This one created so many beliefs and speculations regarding Pacquiao but it’s the belief that taking a blood would weaken him. And it doesn’t actually weaken him, it's more about Superstition and he doesn’t want to revisit his bad experience against Morales.

What is “that type of testing?” You mean syringes from Mars? the WADA list? Olympian’s don’t provide blood and urine any different than the way other athletes do? Submitting blood and urine is more difficult than calibrating space rockets! Olympic athletes can be tested at any time — potentially even years in advance of the next competition was floyd doing this type of testing? lol.

It's not hard to understand. He asked Pacquaio to man up and take the fight, but Pacquaio's team refused to negotiate and instead chose Marquez. There are entire articles written about it. So which of us isn't being honest? Like I said in my first post, it's you. so he wasnt damm near begging pac for a fight like you originally stated. so you're not being honest. begging pac for a fight would mean throwing the blood testing out the window because this is what prevented the fight from happening!! i dont even know why you're here trying to change this? everyone and their mamas knows the fight didnt happen the first time because of floyd. not even sure why you're trying to debate this? floyd and pac fought, floyd won, take that and run with it. not sure why you're trying to put the blame on manny for the fight not happening the first time around because it will not end up good for you. take the win floyd has over manny and call it a day. im gonna leave you with this -- let's break it down and see who was doing the ducking and dodging and please try to stick to the main guys being mention here, floyd/manny. reasons why the fight didnt happen the first time -- manny = no blood testing, want a cut off. floyd = wont do business with bob arum, manny need to sign with TMT first, manny need to fight bradley again because he loss, manny need to fight marquez again because he loss. this doesnt sound like a guy damm near begging for a fight?????

You're not being honest. Mayweather was damn near begging Pac to fight him before his prison stint. Bob Arum went on record saying that Pacquiao preferred a 4th fight with Marquez to the Mayweather fight, and that the Mayweather fight would always be there. Then Pac got laid out. If anything, Pac getting laid out caused this fight to take even longer to get made. if he was damm near begging pac then he wouldnt have been so sprung out on manny doing random blood testing or no fight! smh!! how is that damm near begging pac for a fight when the reason why the fight didnt happen was the random blood testing!!!? geezus lol now you're not being honest -- "i will never do business with bob arum".. if my memory serves me right, pac was still with arum when floyd went to go do his jail time. lol.

lol. I don't think you understand the concept of a cutoff! Pac ''wanted a cut off?'' Imagine Olympians telling doping control officers a day before an event or two...''nah man you can't test me cause I negotiated a cutoff!'' lol olympians?? but they werent doing that type of testing. lol

lol. I don't think you understand the concept of a cutoff! Pac ''wanted a cut off?'' Imagine Olympians telling doping control officers a day before an event or two...''nah man you can't test me cause I negotiated a cutoff!'' lol - -Why U SissyboyFlossie never have Olympic testing? Why his fighters PED cheats? Why he TUE 51-0? Why U Dum?

My question is why be so adamant about refusing stricter drug testing...but then years later demand that opponents do stricter drug testing in order to fight him??? That is pure hypocrisy. reaching... he never demand his opponents for stricter testing in order to fight him. and like i said, it was ego. at the time of the first negotiation, pac was a big attraction!!! he wasnt just gonna let floyd come in and boss him around. and he never refuse testing, he counter floyd's request with his own request and wanted a cut off, which is perfectly fine, that's why it's called a negotiation. same thing we can say about floyd... floyd says he will never do business with arum and as long as pac is still with bob then there will be no fight, but that all changed the night of dec.2012. and we all know what happened on this night.

in my honest opinion it was ego.. they felt they could push floyd around and at that time pac was a BIG attraction. it's dumb to think pac was juicing. and to shoot that thought down, there was no testing in the marquez fight and pac was STILL with ariza and what happen in that fight? and the horn fight, no testing as well... does the ped only work in the fights that manny won? lol.

My question is why be so adamant about refusing stricter drug testing...but then years later demand that opponents do stricter drug testing in order to fight him??? That is pure hypocrisy.

Any answer other than "Bob Arum" is incorrect. Pretty much

Pac had more excuses why he didn't want to take the blood test than Wilder has for his loss. After he got KOed by an enhanced Marquez he was on board for blood test. It's concerning and obsessive the way some Pac fans attempt to rewrite history. The guy was juicing. Not much discrepancy about it