Catchweights: Good or Bad for Boxing?

Yeah I agree to a limit, some big fights fighters are coeerced into accepting a CW they dont want such as Cotto with Manny he wanted a non title fight at the CW weight, Arum wanted the fight and belts on the line, Cotto left Arum as soon as he could. Its also many times a case of a fighter only thinks he can make a weight as in Oscar at 147 with Manny, you dont get trial runs you get one shot on the day , he didnt even make 150 for Forbes the fight before and Forbes is a LW and was all over him. Then Oscar is on for 147 with Manny and cannot gain 2lbs after the weigh-in, Oscar guessed he could make it when in reality he couldn't without it really hurting him, Oscar was dead man walking and the worst case of a drained fighter ive seen in many many years. So CWs might be ok in certain circumstances, but when they really hurt a fighter its no good at all. I agree with what you're saying too and any knowledgeable fan will know when a guy is just out-sized or weight drained (I.e. DLH Vs PAC). Sometimes though catch-weights mitigate some of the damage as intended. Most of these catch-weight fights happen through greed because these top level boxers ain't starving and if it wasn't for the catch-weights, most of these guys would move up/down a whole division and be even more disadvantaged. The way I look at it, of you choose to fight at that weight, don't make excuses. The smart fans will still know what's up anyway. They'll know you shouldn't have been fighting at that weight and won't give you credit anyway.

Neither good nor bad. Just another part of boxing. An agreed upon weight limit for a fight is an agreed upon weight limit for a fight. There will always be one guy who is bigger/smaller/more drained/less drained at a weight. It's up to the fighters to decide what weight they choose to fight at. No excuses imo. Yeah I agree to a limit, some big fights fighters are coeerced into accepting a CW they dont want such as Cotto with Manny he wanted a non title fight at the CW weight, Arum wanted the fight and belts on the line, Cotto left Arum as soon as he could. Its also many times a case of a fighter only thinks he can make a weight as in Oscar at 147 with Manny, you dont get trial runs you get one shot on the day , he didnt even make 150 for Forbes the fight before and Forbes is a LW and was all over him. Then Oscar is on for 147 with Manny and cannot gain 2lbs after the weigh-in, Oscar guessed he could make it when in reality he couldn't without it really hurting him, Oscar was dead man walking and the worst case of a drained fighter ive seen in many many years. So CWs might be ok in certain circumstances, but when they really hurt a fighter its no good at all.

Neither good nor bad. Just another part of boxing. An agreed upon weight limit for a fight is an agreed upon weight limit for a fight. There will always be one guy who is bigger/smaller/more drained/less drained at a weight. It's up to the fighters to decide what weight they choose to fight at. No excuses imo.

Very few situations would justify CW. A scenario like JCC Sr and Whitaker which were #1 and #2 p4f. Two stars that were able to meet down the road like a Jones/Trinidad or Pazienza/Duran fight. Not this trend that benefits the A side.

Cotto was not fine, thats why Manny flat refused to fight him without one, even after beating him Manny refused to fight him again without another CW, and Manny knows why. CWs depend on which way you going because it only has two effects, you will be stronger or weaker. If you go up in weight it will not hurt if you are fighting a guy of similar natural size. You can see how CWS are so variable because fighters already fight with a 10-20lb swing from weigh-in to fight night weight, that alone opens the door for all sorts of weight differences. Look at guys that move up many divisions, their fight night weight doesnt vary much at all, take Manny and JMM they were 142-146 fight night with a 130 weigh-in, for them fighting smaller JWWs and WWs is not far from where they always have been on fight night. I agree a Catchweight where the physically bigger guy comes down works to the benefit of the smaller man.

- -What does U as a Fleawt know about catchwts? Cotto could come in any wt he wanted, but he would forfeit the $300K bonus incentive for coming in 1 lb under what he fought Clottey at. What grade U in? Are you a pedo? Why you always asking what grade people are in. :rofl:

Baldomir was a secondary title fight with a Catchweight Hatton was a title fight with a Catchweight Cotto was a title fight with a Catchweight Khan was a title fights with a catchweight. Jacobs was a title fight with a hydration clause Fielding was a title fight with a hydration clause. Kovalev was a title fight with a hydration clause. Seems like there were a couple... Oh, and there was about two years of "IF GGG IS SO GOOD, HE'LL TAKE THE FIGHT AT 155!! CANELO IS THE A SIDE AND HE'S BARELY A SUPER WELTERWEIGHT!! HE A BABY DOE!!" Then a ****ing C fighter like Chavez Jr gets a catch weight :lol1: LMAOOOOO :rofl: Nelo is a diva!

- -What does U as a Fleawt know about catchwts? Cotto could come in any wt he wanted, but he would forfeit the $300K bonus incentive for coming in 1 lb under what he fought Clottey at. What grade U in? Im 65 and fought for 12 years, dont try your BS with me, you wanna debate CWs start a thread and we will see what you know.

Cotto was not fine, thats why Manny flat refused to fight him without one, even after beating him Manny refused to fight him again without another CW, and Manny knows why. CWs depend on which way you going because it only has two effects, you will be stronger or weaker. If you go up in weight it will not hurt if you are fighting a guy of similar natural size. You can see how CWS are so variable because fighters already fight with a 10-20lb swing from weigh-in to fight night weight, that alone opens the door for all sorts of weight differences. Look at guys that move up many divisions, their fight night weight doesnt vary much at all, take Manny and JMM they were 142-146 fight night with a 130 weigh-in, for them fighting smaller JWWs and WWs is not far from where they always have been on fight night. Cotto was absolutely fine in that ring, bottom line. He looked great. He was fighting really well until Manny timed him and rocked him. Then he was able to run the rest of the fight just fine. The weight had no impact on that fight, no matter how much anyone whines about it.

Cotto was not fine, thats why Manny flat refused to fight him without one, even after beating him Manny refused to fight him again without another CW, and Manny knows why. CWs depend on which way you going because it only has two effects, you will be stronger or weaker. If you go up in weight it will not hurt if you are fighting a guy of similar natural size. You can see how CWS are so variable because fighters already fight with a 10-20lb swing from weigh-in to fight night weight, that alone opens the door for all sorts of weight differences. Look at guys that move up many divisions, their fight night weight doesnt vary much at all, take Manny and JMM they were 142-146 fight night with a 130 weigh-in, for them fighting smaller JWWs and WWs is not far from where they always have been on fight night. - -What does U as a Fleawt know about catchwts? Cotto could come in any wt he wanted, but he would forfeit the $300K bonus incentive for coming in 1 lb under what he fought Clottey at. What grade U in?

It will always depend on the fight, and in many circumstances we won't know until the bell rings and we can see what the fighters look like. Pacquiao-Cotto was fine. Cotto looked good as ever. Ward-Dawson, while not quite a catchweight, was a bad example. Dawson was horrible and completely thrown off by the weight. Mayweather-Alvarez was fine. Mayweather-Marquez would not have been, and Mayweather didn't even make it. Cotto was not fine, thats why Manny flat refused to fight him without one, even after beating him Manny refused to fight him again without another CW, and Manny knows why. CWs depend on which way you going because it only has two effects, you will be stronger or weaker. If you go up in weight it will not hurt if you are fighting a guy of similar natural size. You can see how CWS are so variable because fighters already fight with a 10-20lb swing from weigh-in to fight night weight, that alone opens the door for all sorts of weight differences. Look at guys that move up many divisions, their fight night weight doesnt vary much at all, take Manny and JMM they were 142-146 fight night with a 130 weigh-in, for them fighting smaller JWWs and WWs is not far from where they always have been on fight night.

It will always depend on the fight, and in many circumstances we won't know until the bell rings and we can see what the fighters look like. Pacquiao-Cotto was fine. Cotto looked good as ever. Ward-Dawson, while not quite a catchweight, was a bad example. Dawson was horrible and completely thrown off by the weight. Mayweather-Alvarez was fine. Mayweather-Marquez would not have been, and Mayweather didn't even make it. - -Canelo blue on the scales. At any rate, all fights today not in the heavies are catchweights. What U boyz been smokin'.

I hate them. There are plenty of weight divisions these days so theres no excuse. Canelos 155 days were a real low for me and his career development shows how easily he could make 160 and still be really strong. I hope its a thing of the past.

It will always depend on the fight, and in many circumstances we won't know until the bell rings and we can see what the fighters look like. Pacquiao-Cotto was fine. Cotto looked good as ever. Ward-Dawson, while not quite a catchweight, was a bad example. Dawson was horrible and completely thrown off by the weight. Mayweather-Alvarez was fine. Mayweather-Marquez would not have been, and Mayweather didn't even make it.

Bad. Boxing has 17 weight classes now, there's really no need for catchweights.

Not a fan, especially not for title fights. Can maybe see the valure if there's a must see non title fight between guys in different divisions, but even then my inclination is against.

Oh, and there was about two years of "IF GGG IS SO GOOD, HE'LL TAKE THE FIGHT AT 155!! CANELO IS THE A SIDE AND HE'S BARELY A SUPER WELTERWEIGHT!! HE A BABY DOE!!" Then a ****ing C fighter like Chavez Jr gets a catch weight :lol1:

Again stupid fuk! Defended how many belts and WON how many at CW??? If your smart you STFU Baldomir was a secondary title fight with a Catchweight Hatton was a title fight with a Catchweight Cotto was a title fight with a Catchweight Khan was a title fights with a catchweight. Jacobs was a title fight with a hydration clause Fielding was a title fight with a hydration clause. Kovalev was a title fight with a hydration clause. Seems like there were a couple...

And how many were for a title??? Salty fuk! Brook at 160 was BS!!! 155 he had a chance. Salty over what and whom exactly? Repeatedly defending a 160lb title at 155lb is disgraceful no matter who is doing it.

Typical Canelo haters on the EE c0ck. Might as well eliminate some of PAC’s title fights. Rigo never got his 124lbs catchweight against Loma in the haydays post Donaire. He had to go to 130lbs and Loma agreed to a 10lb next morning limit, again, same concept as an IBF rule. But when Canelo goes to 175lbs and also imposes a 10lb morning rule, just like when Beterbiev would have to follow IBF protocol, the Canelo haters are either non understanding or intentionally creating fake narratives. How is it that the same legendary posters whom have always been GGG diehards bring up Khan when Gennadiy had Brook go to 160? These same dumb posters include “catchweight” in their sentence when mentioning Khan when realistically they should only be citing that Canelo shouldn’t have fought Khan. Lol. The 155 catchweight was fair. As if Canelo would prefer to sacrifice 5lbs instead of the limit of 160 like GGG. It’s obvious some posters don’t box. uh loma did that so it would be more fair to his opponent. canelo id it so it would be less fair to his opponent. SAME THING DERP!