Was the Mikey loss the final indictment of Broner's career?

What I mean by that is I think with other losses you could attribute them to a certain extent to Broner stepping up against naturally bigger fighters. But Mikey just whooped him and came from a lower weight. So pretty much dashed the myth that Broner was ever an elite fighter. - -Feather Ponce de Leon who was typecast as a slugger easily outboxed and humiliated him in his first exposure. He not only can't box, but he can't even fight, but Haymon got him literally flushing his child support $ while circling drain of his mentally challenged career.

Probably true Although some will say Pac come from lower weights back in the day but he had been fighting at 147 or above for a decade, so I don’t think we can count him. I don’t think it was even that Mikey was smaller, it was the fact that it wasn’t even competitive. I think Mikey is a very good fighter, but any other very good fighter will still have competitive fights with Mikey. So I think it showed Broner is B or C level. Yep exactly, I think you know where I'm coming from. Until that fight, in the back of my head I always thought that had Broner had the discipline to stay at 130-35 longer he would have forged a much better career but yeah mikey probably proved he was never at that level.

Paulie M showed us that Broner was nothing special. And that Paulie was done. I like Broner but he was just another PBC hypejob. I know he won titles at 4 weight classes, but when you dissect that you know it wasn't really something as great as it sounds. I think the Paulie fight was a warning to him that he wasnt a welterweight, or at least not a top one. Paulie handled his power well, and was able to box him and keep him at bay, very competitive fight. His arrogance meant that he did not register the warning signs in that fight. But even after Porter and Maidana, I felt the main failing in his career was the fact that he didnt have the discipline to make 135lb where I felt he could've put together a HOF career had he put together a longer run, and then moved up and losses at 40-47 wouldnt have counted against him as much...but that Mikey fight proved me wrong in that sense. As someone already mentioned it wasnt even competitive, and shows that he wasnt elite, even at 130-135.

How about you give his opponents credit for preventing him from letting his hands go? Like it was just a decision that he decided to make those nights. Why does he always struggle letting his hands go when he's fighting elite fighters? Seems like he's not on that level. Because letting your hands go has nothing to do with your opponent. Yes your opponent can prevent you from landing cleanly or cause you to miss altogether but they can't stop you from throwing. Broner's problem isn't just that he's missing or not landing cleanly. It's that he's not even throwing enough punches to seem like he's even trying that hard. Mayweather and Canelo make fighters miss almost the whole fight, but i can't think of any opponents of theirs that had a problem letting their hands go. And whether or not it was a decision he made before getting into the fight is irrelevant because it was obviously a decision he made in the ring. And for the record he's lost or drawed every fight at welter except one which was a split decision which he arguably lost. And in all of those fights even the commentators mention Broners obviously low work rate. It's not like it suddenly dramatically picked up when he fought lesser opponents. I don't think Broner is an elite fighter but i do think he's good enough to offer greater opposition if he'd just throw more punches. The fact that he never has till this day tells me it's probably a physical limitation rather than a psychological one. But that's just my guess.

The indictment came when he lost to a wild swinging little skill brawler like Maidana. Same Maidana that got handled by Khan and looked like a fool getting dropped and washed by Devon Alexander.

Paulie M showed us that Broner was nothing special. And that Paulie was done. I like Broner but he was just another PBC hypejob. I know he won titles at 4 weight classes, but when you dissect that you know it wasn't really something as great as it sounds.

I guess I am a dupe, 'cos I was still hoping for Absolute Bellend to pull off some kind of performance against Pacquiao. After that fight, I was done

I think his career the stain on his career was after his loss to Shawn Porter. Porter in my opinion is a B-, maybe B+ fight at best, I hold him in lower regards to Mikey Garcia skill wise and just being a fighter in general. So any loss after Porter is not a shock basically. Wouldn't be surprised if he lost to a Berto or Alexander either.

Sort of... but he still got a Pacquiao fight on the back of it.

I was done with that clown after Porter. :lol1:

Personally i never thought his losses at welter were to due disadvantages in size because he still has respectable power at welter. The problem is his work rate is simply too low. I believe he's naturally just a low stamina fighter in terms of his genetics. It wasn't as much a problem at lower weights. But i think he put on more muscle when he moved up and that ended up draining his stamina even faster. To the point that now he simply can't produce enough output to win big fights. All of his losses are generally from not letting his hands go. Even with Mikey, he started have some success when he finally started letting his hands go. Then again his low work rate could just be from lack of discipline in training or psychological problems. But imo it's just his genetics.

What I mean by that is I think with other losses you could attribute them to a certain extent to Broner stepping up against naturally bigger fighters. But Mikey just whooped him and came from a lower weight. So pretty much dashed the myth that Broner was ever an elite fighter. Probably true Although some will say Pac come from lower weights back in the day but he had been fighting at 147 or above for a decade, so I don’t think we can count him. I don’t think it was even that Mikey was smaller, it was the fact that it wasn’t even competitive. I think Mikey is a very good fighter, but any other very good fighter will still have competitive fights with Mikey. So I think it showed Broner is B or C level.