Bud Crawford-Manny Pacquiao fight is reportedly in 'tentative talks'

lol. who's fabricating? Pac was accuse of being on peds because of his unbelievable performance in the ring or floyd being accuse on peds because of his abnormal T/E ratio that can only happen if one person is on PEDS and his most famous illegal IV the sam IV that Armstrong use to pass the test and that's all very well documented. lol. I know deep in your heart u knew that floyd is PED cheat but just don't want to admit it. And...the important part you're leaving out...Pac REFUSED DRUG TESTING. For YEARS. That's a MAJOR factor to "leave out". Pac is a good solid fighter but without those steroids hes just good to great. With the steroids he was ATG like RJJ.

So I've put Thurman and Crawford's fights side-by-side Crawford is alot slower and plodding than Thurman. Crawford has little to no footwork. Throws wider hooks than Thurman. Yikes. No wonder Manny decided to fight him.

I hope it happens. I give the edge to Crawford but it won't be a walk in the park. Pac is still dangerous despite his age.

It's not worth time going point for point as you just fabricate anything. Good luck lol. who's fabricating? Pac was accuse of being on peds because of his unbelievable performance in the ring or floyd being accuse on peds because of his abnormal T/E ratio that can only happen if one person is on PEDS and his most famous illegal IV the sam IV that Armstrong use to pass the test and that's all very well documented. lol. I know deep in your heart u knew that floyd is PED cheat but just don't want to admit it.

And Manny beat washed up versions. His wins over Bradley were excellent but Bradley is no ATG His wins over barrera, morales and jmm,and citto, Hatton are excellent wins also. Not averages wins by any stretch. Again, history will see that Pac made them look washed up whilst Floyd made hard work of them

They all say Pac best of era. Dlh, cott o said prime Pac beats floyd and Pac was the best overall. Jmm said Pac best of era. Hatton said Floyd needed Cortez to beat him. Does Pac beat washed up versions or is it pac just makes them look washed up and bad, whilst Floyd makes guys like maidana and Connor McGregor types look elite? That only leaves ssm opinion. But do we need it? What does it matter who said what? Pac ducked the fight in 2009 (during his supposed prime) because he wouldnt do drug testing. That tells you all you need to know. . . Then Arum needed 9 months for Pacs cut to heal from JMM3 Then Arum needed to build an outdoor stadium to house the fight When Manny finally accepted drug testing he took and lost an uneventful fight. It was closer than the judges had it but still clear And Manny beat washed up versions. His wins over Bradley were excellent but Bradley is no ATG

Yes. For money and glory. No different than any other fighter that stuck around when they should have retired. Seriously? Pac just beat Thurman, I would hardly call that sticking around too long and Manny does a lot with his money for his country.

Besides DLH Floyd had zero close fights that needed rematch...?? Pac beat washed up versions of DLH, Mosley, Hatton, and Margs. Those are technically wins but not very meaningful. Floyd beat better versions of DLH, Mosley, and Hatton albeit "less convincingly"...but he didnt need the judges help to beat JMM lol And Floyd never got KTFO6 or lost UD to journeyman gym teacher Yeah I'll take Floyd who DID accept drug testing and DID win every fight he had without any help from judging...a case can be made JLC 1 was a draw but Floyd avenged that in the rematch pretty clearly They all say Pac best of era. Dlh, cott o said prime Pac beats floyd and Pac was the best overall. Jmm said Pac best of era. Hatton said Floyd needed Cortez to beat him. Does Pac beat washed up versions or is it pac just makes them look washed up and bad, whilst Floyd makes guys like maidana and Connor McGregor types look elite? That only leaves ssm opinion. But do we need it?

you just said floyd beating pac was better than anything pac had ever done so by your own logic jeff horn beating pac makes jeff horn better than pac right? i mean its such a great win for floyd it must be for horn! oh wait its different because... Floyd beating Pac and Canelo are better accomplishments (individually or collectively) than anything in Mannys career. Mannys best work was a 2-1 split with Morales, going 1-2-1 with JMM, beating shot and old WWs with rehydration clauses and catchweights, and beating C+/B- level Keith Thurman. I credit Manny for 3-0ing Bradley but Bradley is a good fighter last era...not great. What am I missing? Joe Horn had a career night against Manny and eeked out a competitive decision against a HOF fighter. Terrific accomplishment. Hes done nothing since except prove it WAS a FLUKE, but that doesnt change his performance or win. Floyd never had those OFF nights where journeyman nearly beat him. Floyd didn't fight guys at career lows he fought them at career highs (Pac fought them at career lows). Floyd's most vulnerable style was the Maidana and JLC style where you "rough up" and pretty much break the rules...that was most effective against Floyd. Floyd fought the best fighters with that style in the past 20 years in his weight class (Andre Ward would be the best). Floyd had a better career and it's really not close when you consider PED use

so you name a fight where floyd drained canelo and thats not an asterik? also floyd got busted for cheating. not pac. remember the whole tue thing? that's called cheating buddy. he was not drained. he took more than 10 times the amount for severe dehydration. i dont consider dropping 3 pounds severe dehydration do you? if politics werent involved he would have been busted. he also paid usada ten times more than their normal rate and now they are out of boxing because no one can trust them. im sure you consider all that completely normal stuff right? its pac who has the asterik but not the guy who got caught and had to pay off the org to clear him? thats pretty crazy spin When did Floyd get busted for cheating?

Floyd s career has more asterix than pacs. No rematches with his biggest name wins which were controversial in many levels. Not fighting in people backyards, ref help. Fighting past prime fighters who dropped from rankings soon after Floyd beat them, Apart from nelo, and Pac and jmm who he cheated scales with, all with no rematches Pac beat all common opponents more dominant or more times, and they all say pac was better overall. Hard to make a case for floyd being better than pac. Hopkins is greater than jc also in most opinions. Same with pac with floyd Besides DLH Floyd had zero close fights that needed rematch...?? Pac beat washed up versions of DLH, Mosley, Hatton, and Margs. Those are technically wins but not very meaningful. Floyd beat better versions of DLH, Mosley, and Hatton albeit "less convincingly"...but he didnt need the judges help to beat JMM lol And Floyd never got KTFO6 or lost UD to journeyman gym teacher Yeah I'll take Floyd who DID accept drug testing and DID win every fight he had without any help from judging...a case can be made JLC 1 was a draw but Floyd avenged that in the rematch pretty clearly

lol. floyd duck VADA TEST in his entire career. pac didn't duck any test it was just your imagination. Pac did the extraordinary things that make him accused of being in peds while floyd got accuse of abnormal T/E ratio that can only happen if one person was on PEDS and of course armstrong also use IV vitamins to pass the test. :lol1: Max kellerman a well known floyd nuthugger think that pac is the lb4lb GOAT, barrera, morlaes, dela hoya, diaz and other boxing legends already think that pac is the GOAT so your opinion is nothing compared to them.. It's not worth time going point for point as you just fabricate anything. Good luck

Pac ducked steroid tests for 5 years while doing some incredible things in the ring. Floyd has never failed a test and for whatever reason certain fans dont let go of the fact Floyd used vitamin IV infusion to rehydrate Pac can never be GOAT. He got KTFO and lost UD12 to Floyd and Joe Horn. He also is 0-3-1 against JMM...combined with using steroids...hes not even an ATG on my list because I think he cheated...same goes for RJJ lol. floyd duck VADA TEST in his entire career. pac didn't duck any test it was just your imagination. Pac did the extraordinary things that make him accused of being in peds while floyd got accuse of abnormal T/E ratio that can only happen if one person was on PEDS and of course armstrong also use IV vitamins to pass the test. :lol1: Max kellerman a well known floyd nuthugger think that pac is the lb4lb GOAT, barrera, morlaes, dela hoya, diaz and other boxing legends already think that pac is the GOAT so your opinion is nothing compared to them..

Pac ducked steroid tests for 5 years while doing some incredible things in the ring. Floyd has never failed a test and for whatever reason certain fans dont let go of the fact Floyd used vitamin IV infusion to rehydrate Pac can never be GOAT. He got KTFO and lost UD12 to Floyd and Joe Horn. He also is 0-3-1 against JMM...combined with using steroids...hes not even an ATG on my list because I think he cheated...same goes for RJJ you just said floyd beating pac was better than anything pac had ever done so by your own logic jeff horn beating pac makes jeff horn better than pac right? i mean its such a great win for floyd it must be for horn! oh wait its different because...

Pac ducked steroid tests for 5 years while doing some incredible things in the ring. Floyd has never failed a test and for whatever reason certain fans dont let go of the fact Floyd used vitamin IV infusion to rehydrate Pac can never be GOAT. He got KTFO and lost UD12 to Floyd and Joe Horn. He also is 0-3-1 against JMM...combined with using steroids...hes not even an ATG on my list because I think he cheated...same goes for RJJ whoa we got a fanboy here! how about everyone is a cheater but floyd therefore by default floyd is the best. happy?

Floyd's win over Pac and Canelo alone trump anything Pac has done People get annoyed by the undefeated thing but that has a lot of value. And it's not like Floyd fought bums...he was in something like 32 championship fights...and was a 5 division champ with wins over future HOFers: Corrales (prime and undefeated), Genaro (lone loss to DLH), JLC twice, Corley, Judah, Hatton, DLH, Gatti, Mosley, Cotto, Canelo, Pac, and I prolly missed 5-7 more Pac a beast but lots of his wins have asterisks. He avoided drug testing for almost 5 years which will not age well. Most hold RJJ with an asterisk as well as Mosley. Their peaks were very high but likely tainted. Same goes for Manny...high peak, refusal to steroids test, and an entire media platform ignoring his juicing...was hilarious. Floyd is def ahead atm so you name a fight where floyd drained canelo and thats not an asterik? also floyd got busted for cheating. not pac. remember the whole tue thing? that's called cheating buddy. he was not drained. he took more than 10 times the amount for severe dehydration. i dont consider dropping 3 pounds severe dehydration do you? if politics werent involved he would have been busted. he also paid usada ten times more than their normal rate and now they are out of boxing because no one can trust them. im sure you consider all that completely normal stuff right? its pac who has the asterik but not the guy who got caught and had to pay off the org to clear him? thats pretty crazy spin

Pac beating spence/Crawford will lut him in the GOAT status even by the hard core haters. This is the difference between pac and floyd when it comes to steroid. Pac was accuse of being on peds because of his extraordinary thing that he did in the ring while floyd was accuse of being in PEDS because of 3 failed test that sweep under the carpet, his abnormal T/E ratio that can only happen if u r on PEDS and lastly his use of illegal IV that everone knows can mask the PEDS.. see the big difference between the two. Pac ducked steroid tests for 5 years while doing some incredible things in the ring. Floyd has never failed a test and for whatever reason certain fans dont let go of the fact Floyd used vitamin IV infusion to rehydrate Pac can never be GOAT. He got KTFO and lost UD12 to Floyd and Joe Horn. He also is 0-3-1 against JMM...combined with using steroids...hes not even an ATG on my list because I think he cheated...same goes for RJJ

I respect your opinion but also disagree. Beating either Spence or Crawford at this point in his career puts him ahead for me...and that's even with the steroid use in 2009 Pac beating spence/Crawford will lut him in the GOAT status even by the hard core haters. This is the difference between pac and floyd when it comes to steroid. Pac was accuse of being on peds because of his extraordinary thing that he did in the ring while floyd was accuse of being in PEDS because of 3 failed test that sweep under the carpet, his abnormal T/E ratio that can only happen if u r on PEDS and lastly his use of illegal IV that everone knows can mask the PEDS.. see the big difference between the two.

Floyd's win over Pac and Canelo alone trump anything Pac has done. Pac a beast but lots of his wins have asterisks. He avoided drug testing for almost 5 years which will not age well. Most hold RJJ with an asterisk as well as Mosley. Their peaks were very high but likely tainted. Same goes for Manny...high peak, refusal to steroids test, and an entire media platform ignoring his juicing...was hilarious. Floyd s career has more asterix than pacs. No rematches with his biggest name wins which were controversial in many levels. Not fighting in people backyards, ref help. Fighting past prime fighters who dropped from rankings soon after Floyd beat them, Apart from nelo, and Pac and jmm who he cheated scales with, all with no rematches Pac beat all common opponents more dominant or more times, and they all say pac was better overall. Hard to make a case for floyd being better than pac. Hopkins is greater than jc also in most opinions. Same with pac with floyd

Pac was already way ahead of floyd in atg and many boxing legends already think that pac is the GOAT. If pac is an american he will already be hailed as the god of boxing because of his unbelievable achievements. I respect your opinion but also disagree. Beating either Spence or Crawford at this point in his career puts him ahead for me...and that's even with the steroid use in 2009