How do you think JMM beat Pac in the IVth fight
Part was luck, sure, another part was training and a relentless focus with a harsh will to inflict damage.
Remember JMM KD Manny in R2 or R3 on the EXACT same punch he landed in PacJMM 2 which NEARLY KD Manny then but he was younger and fresher and no accumulated damage.
It is very possible GGG goes for broke in this 3rd fight KNOWING this is it. Win, lose, or draw he might go all-in which will ALWAYS require leaving yourself wide open for counter
We’ll see if ggg also comes in juiced to the gills like Marquez.
Well regardless of what canelo and ggg are compared to pac and jmm, they still compare to each other in a similar way.
Focus is one thing, but so is being 39 yrs old. Not much can make up for the body not reacting the way he wants or needs it to. The slippage is evident...it’s not even a question at this point.
How do you think JMM beat Pac in the IVth fight
Part was luck, sure, another part was training and a relentless focus with a harsh will to inflict damage.
Remember JMM KD Manny in R2 or R3 on the EXACT same punch he landed in PacJMM 2 which NEARLY KD Manny then but he was younger and fresher and no accumulated damage.
It is very possible GGG goes for broke in this 3rd fight KNOWING this is it. Win, lose, or draw he might go all-in which will ALWAYS require leaving yourself wide open for counter
Canelo is half the fighter Pac was though.
Canelo is not a Top 25 ATG and Manny and Floyd are probably both Top 20 and possibly even Top 15 EVER. EVER. PERIOD.
Canelo is a top 100 guy, sure. But hes nowhere near as good as those guys. GGG has done nothing but obsess over Canelo and his focus alone is going to make trouble for Canelo. Remember GGG has wanted this 3rd fight NOT Canelo. GGG is hyper focused NOT Canelo.
We'll see but just because Dervenchenko is a bad matchup - he always wouldve been - doesnt mean GGG is some bum.
GGG won a split decision (or it shouldve been) against Jacobs and Jacobs won a SD against Derv...
I can see it like everyone else where Canelo takes GGGs soul, but I can also see a JMM IV performance where GGG digs deep and has 1 last great performance into the sunset.
Well regardless of what canelo and ggg are compared to pac and jmm, they still compare to each other in a similar way.
Focus is one thing, but so is being 39 yrs old. Not much can make up for the body not reacting the way he wants or needs it to. The slippage is evident...it’s not even a question at this point.
It's gonna be rough. Would hope G would get a tuneup or something, but if he straight into the Canelo fight it could be a really really rough night. Last time he took an extended break (Canelo 1) he looked pretty soft. Canelo will definitely be a huge favorite in this one.
I said pac was also shopworn, not that he was and Marquez wasn’t. Marquez was 39 and pretty well at the end of his career, much like ggg...but pac was already 34 and past his prime, unlike canelo who is at his absolute peak. The discrepancy is greater in the case of canelo and ggg.
Canelo is half the fighter Pac was though.
Canelo is not a Top 25 ATG and Manny and Floyd are probably both Top 20 and possibly even Top 15 EVER. EVER. PERIOD.
Canelo is a top 100 guy, sure. But hes nowhere near as good as those guys. GGG has done nothing but obsess over Canelo and his focus alone is going to make trouble for Canelo. Remember GGG has wanted this 3rd fight NOT Canelo. GGG is hyper focused NOT Canelo.
We'll see but just because Dervenchenko is a bad matchup - he always wouldve been - doesnt mean GGG is some bum.
GGG won a split decision (or it shouldve been) against Jacobs and Jacobs won a SD against Derv...
I can see it like everyone else where Canelo takes GGGs soul, but I can also see a JMM IV performance where GGG digs deep and has 1 last great performance into the sunset.
What the fuck are you talking about? Pac was shopworn?
JMM WAS FUCKING 40 YEARS OLD
JMM was also supposed to be washed up...and he KTFO someone who hadn't been stopped in like 2 decades. Basically the exact same circumstance as Canelo/GGG matchup
I said pac was also shopworn, not that he was and Marquez wasn’t. Marquez was 39 and pretty well at the end of his career, much like ggg...but pac was already 34 and past his prime, unlike canelo who is at his absolute peak. The discrepancy is greater in the case of canelo and ggg.
I read that the fight will be at 160 like the first two, which actually helps GGG if that's the case.
I think 168 would benefit both but yeah I’d guess it’s easier for GGG to make 160 than Canelo who must’ve added some muscle mass for the Kovalev fight.
in fairness, it was looking like pac was on his way to stopping marquez in the 4th fight. also, pac was a bit shop worn at that point too...
What the fuck are you talking about? Pac was shopworn?
JMM WAS FUCKING 40 YEARS OLD
Canelo is at his absolute peak, where ggg is pretty close to being washed up imo.
JMM was also supposed to be washed up...and he KTFO someone who hadn't been stopped in like 2 decades. Basically the exact same circumstance as Canelo/GGG matchup
He won both fights but the second fight was close and its clear GGG is done, this is a cherry pick at this stage.
I would be inclined to agree, except DAZN paid both guys a lot of money with the expectation of a third fight between the two. Canelo's view is that there is nothing to gain from fighting Golovkin again but DAZN is cutting the check and they want what they paid for.
So I’m guessing the plan is both fight in June then fight each other in September. Would it be 160 or 168?
I read that the fight will be at 160 like the first two, which actually helps GGG if that's the case.
That's what everyone said Pac was gonna do in JMM 3 and 4
in fairness, it was looking like pac was on his way to stopping marquez in the 4th fight. also, pac was a bit shop worn at that point too...canelo is at his absolute peak, where ggg is pretty close to being washed up imo.
If the ggg who fought derev shows up, it will be a clear victory for canelo. Complete domination or a stoppage isn’t out of the question.
That's what everyone said Pac was gonna do in JMM 3 and 4
I mean oh well?
Pac never clearly beat JMM and JMM was like 38 or 39 in their 3rd fight...which most people thought JMM won.
In the 4th fight JMM was like 41 or something and he KTFO Pac.
Pac still an ATG.
Sometimes a fighter just has your number...happens.
Canelo and GGG have a great rivalry that is very similar to Pac and JMM. Like their entire series both Canelo and GGG fights can be contested to go either way. In the 1st fight it was a draw or GGG win and in the 2nd fight it was a draw or Canelo win. That's great for boxing
If the ggg who fought derev shows up, it will be a clear victory for canelo. Complete domination or a stoppage isn’t out of the question.
I bet you can’t wait...didn’t happen for you in the first 2 fights, so you had to pretend it did. With ggg pushing 40 and looking terrible in his last fight, canelo should finally be able to get a decisive win lol. Canelo shouldn’t have dodged him last sept. He probably would have gotten it done then when it was more meaningful.
I mean oh well?
Pac never clearly beat JMM and JMM was like 38 or 39 in their 3rd fight...which most people thought JMM won.
In the 4th fight JMM was like 41 or something and he KTFO Pac.
Pac still an ATG.
Sometimes a fighter just has your number...happens.
Canelo and GGG have a great rivalry that is very similar to Pac and JMM. Like their entire series both Canelo and GGG fights can be contested to go either way. In the 1st fight it was a draw or GGG win and in the 2nd fight it was a draw or Canelo win. That's great for boxing
I bet you can’t wait...didn’t happen for you in the first 2 fights, so you had to pretend it did. With ggg pushing 40 and looking terrible in his last fight, canelo should finally be able to get a decisive win lol. Canelo shouldn’t have dodged him last sept. He probably would have gotten it done then when it was more meaningful.
Canelo won the 2nd fight. It could be argued a draw but the decision for Canelo was also fair.
These guys just have strengths and styles where their fights will always be close. And that's great.
I just cant stand GGG and his prima donna antics or his rabid delusional fanbase.
For that reason I'm happy a 3rd fight is finally happening. Hopefully it'll happen in 2021 with this Coronavirus nonsense...another year advantage XD XD XD
In 2015 when Canelo was suspended by NSAC Borat elected to fight someone named Vanes...nobody has heard of him before or since.
BOTH Andrade and Dervenchenko offered to take the fight on short notice but GGG turned it down.
Later, in 2019, Dervenchenko beat Borat at MSG but Gennadyovich Muslim :arabia: was given a gift decision. Borat did NOT complain at all but he complained in Canelo 1 and Canelo 2. Borat even FIRED his trainer for telling him, yes, Canelo did beat you in the rematch.
Borat is a punk and is getting slaughtered in the 3rd fight. CAN NOT WAIT
I bet you can’t wait...didn’t happen for you in the first 2 fights, so you had to pretend it did. With ggg pushing 40 and looking terrible in his last fight, canelo should finally be able to get a decisive win lol. Canelo shouldn’t have dodged him last sept. He probably would have gotten it done then when it was more meaningful.
Great news. A lot of people think Golovkin won both fights so I better not hear any complaints.
He won both fights but the second fight was close and its clear GGG is done, this is a cherry pick at this stage.
he didnt let canelo wear unapproved gloves is picking his gloves? :biggthump
let me guess floyd fan? floyd literally forced maidana to wear pillow gloves last minute even though maidanas gloves were approved by the commission. oh that was different because :popcorn:
Gloveweather and Genadyovich Muslim :arabia: Glove Golovkin are both prima donnas for needing to be in control of so much.
Borat complained about noise Canelos team made in the lockerroom and also complained about Canelos beard.
At least Floyd was honest about being a diva. Borat blames everyone but himself.
Borat came to US at 28 years...nobody made him do that
Borat has one of the worst resumes in history at MW...Borat chose that
Borat called out Ward but then took it back
Borat called out Canelo and Cotto who both accepted - at a CW - and Borat refused
Borat said NO CWs then fought s construction worker at a CW
Borat complained about Canelos team making too much noise in the lockerroom
Borat complained about Canelos beard
Cant make this up. Borat biggest diva past 10 years
Lol...ggg ducked derev, who he fought? Speaking of that guy, canelo also dumped a belt instead of fighting him. Ggg only had to cuz canelo popped dirty and delayed their fight.
In 2015 when Canelo was suspended by NSAC Borat elected to fight someone named Vanes...nobody has heard of him before or since.
BOTH Andrade and Dervenchenko offered to take the fight on short notice but GGG turned it down.
Later, in 2019, Dervenchenko beat Borat at MSG but Gennadyovich Muslim :arabia: was given a gift decision. Borat did NOT complain at all but he complained in Canelo 1 and Canelo 2. Borat even FIRED his trainer for telling him, yes, Canelo did beat you in the rematch.
Borat is a punk and is getting slaughtered in the 3rd fight. CAN NOT WAIT