Better resume: Froch or GGG?

Froch has the MUCH better resume. H2H i'd pick GGG, but Froch has achieved so much more that they are not even on the same league. prime Froch was a beast.... I think he would smash Golovkin up no way does the guy who squeaked past Jacobs/Derevyanchenko beat prime Froch Golovkin has never done anything to suggest that he could beat Froch... other than Canelo, he never even fought anyone on Froch's level I see Golovkin as being slightly better than Arthur Abraham... both heavy-handed... both KO scrubs... both struggled whenever they stepped up in class we all saw what Froch did to Abraham fans cried because they said that Danny Jacobs had a unfair weight advantage over Golovkin when he missed the IBF weigh-in those same fans completely forget that the B-side Golovkin tried to get an unfair weight advantage over a guy who had never weighed more than 155... and those same fans completely forget that guys like Ward/Froch are bigger than Danny Jacobs the fact that Golovkin is still largely unproven at 38yo... is a telling indictment regarding his timid opponent selection

Froch has the MUCH better resume. H2H i'd pick GGG, but Froch has achieved so much more that they are not even on the same league.

Froch > Golovkin... not even close and no, you gggoofballs... Hypekin is not better than sweet-pea Whitaker either LMAO

All you have are talking points and you keep on repeating the same thing over and over trying to get a different result? Lmfao. GGG ducked TWICE Canelo at 155lbs! That's a new low lmfao! GGG ducked 10 fighters but you didnt name the 10 fighters? How convenient is that? So why didnt Ward fight GGG in 2013 again? And that weight was Ward fighting at in 2015? GGG is ducking Andeade and Charlo but so is Canelo!? Lmfao. Dude was at 154 with them and 160 lmao. Too funny old man FACT: on AT LEAST two occasions, during two legitimate negotiations... Mr "anyone from 154-168" killed that fight over weight he also killed fights with Cotto/Ward... you guessed it, over weight LMAO I will summarize again, for your particularly dumb ass... FACT: Golovkin ran around insisting that he will fight "anyone from 154-168" FACT: Mr "anyone from 154-168" immediately killed his 3 biggest potential fights... over weight you cannot make that shlt up loooool oh, after Bullshltkin killed those 3 fights over weight... he started to criticize Canelo, by calling him a businessman for selecting Khan... problem is, Golovkin IMMEDIATELY selected Kell Brook... who was not - has never been - and never will be - a star LMAO Bullshltkin, embarrassing his dopey fans since... well, forever :lol1:

10 1 was a cashout, but Golovkin totally avoided him until he got the fight on his terms Golovkin avoided 1 for as long as he could, but got mandated the other 8... Golovkin ducked, plain and simple that is ******ed casual-fan bullshlt only the casuals and the gggoofballs believe that garbage that "dey duckin me doe" bullshlt... is just as lame as that "anyone from 154-168" bullshlt... only the cornballs fell for that lame schtick only Sturm sucked Hypekin, nobody else Golovkin ducked Canelo TWICE, at 155 Andre Ward ! Hypekin talks shlt about everyone... but as usual, he did not sign the contract first Mr " anyone from 154-168 " killed that fight over weight then Mr " anyone from 154-168 " refused that fight in 36 minutes flat wake up you dumb cvnt... it wasn't just Ward, Golovkin refused to fight EVERYONE :lol1: he avoided everyone else, just like he is currently avoiding Andrade and Charlo All you have are talking points and you keep on repeating the same thing over and over trying to get a different result? Lmfao. GGG ducked TWICE Canelo at 155lbs! That's a new low lmfao! GGG ducked 10 fighters but you didnt name the 10 fighters? How convenient is that? So why didnt Ward fight GGG in 2013 again? And that weight was Ward fighting at in 2015? GGG is ducking Andeade and Charlo but so is Canelo!? Lmfao. Dude was at 154 with them and 160 lmao. Too funny old man

You're a weird guy man Well said bud....good post as usual. Not as weird as the guy with an alt...

It’s finally sunk in!!!!!���� Still an alt though... You're a weird guy man Anything to discredit GGG. I dont even think anyone ducked anyone but here they are insistent that GGG ducked Ward. How could GGG have ducked Ward in 2015 by saying no to him when he already had a premier line up for himself at that time? Unification with Lemieux who was Ring Magazines #4 MW and a champion himself. Then Cotto later that year, as the WBc Mandatory, who paid GGG step aside money so he could fight Canelo. Then it was supposed to be Canelo, one of the fighters GGG wanted, but Canelo dropped the WBC belt. That forced GGG to find a new opponent and because there was nobody he fought his mandatory defense. WARD WAREADY CAMPAIGNING AS A FULL 175LBER After than came Eubank Jr who was supposed to fight GGG but stalled negotiations. On top of that Ward was fighting above the 168lb limit too! How many people are ducking someone TWO divisions above them? How does that make sense? It doesnt. It's just fun to pick on that trash ass loser aboutfkntime. Hes the biggest joke on this forum. Talks a big game and literally has nothing to back it. He even got the time line wrong and did he refute it? Nope. Just kept on trying to dig to find **** to fit his agenda. Well said bud....good post as usual.

Froch hands down . Ggg was more dominant in most of his wins . But against the elite and the scalps that matter froch has more quality notches on his belt for sure .

Are you trying to convince me or yourself that you are winning this argument?😂😂 I’m not reading them whatsoever, I’ll maybe catch sight of the first few lines. You’re such a loser... Just log into another alt or something because you have been well and truly exposed.😂 just ask him to explain why he embarrassed himself by writing this nonsense... thinks that Golovkin has a better resume than Canelo..... I just made a thread about specifically why people rate Canelo's resume as better than GGG's...and I laid out my case as to why I rate GGG's better..... https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=820918 ---------------------------- thinks that one of the " killers " on Golovkin's resume could have beaten Canelo.... but will not say which one I don't think Canelo would have gotten all of his guys out by KO and maybe would not have 'won' all of them..... https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=820918&page=10 ---------------------------- thinks that Golovkin has faced more quality opposition than almost any other fighter in history..... never had a slip up against quality opposition, and he faced probably more of them than almost any other fighter in history... https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=824905 ---------------------------- thinks that Andre Ward is no better than Bika Barrera and Miranda I just never really saw the skills from him..... if he was born in a different country I don't think he would have been looked at much differently than Bika Barrera or Miranda etc..... https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?p=19903762#post19903762 ---------------------------- thinks that Golovkin has 5-6 'great' wins..... but cannot even name 1 of those 'great' wins Yeah he has about 10+ good wins imo...and 5-6 'great' wins if you want to term it that...great fighter, great career...an ATG at MW...that's pretty clear I think..... If a great win is a dominant win over another prime great fighter...I would say GGG has quite a few tbh..... https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=821123&page=20 ---------------------------- thinks that Lemieux, Murray... are the same level as Canelo/Jacobs Lemieux, Murray pretty clearly around the level of SD Canelo Jacobs... https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?p=20112309#post20112309 ---------------------------- thinks that Murray Lemieux Monroe and Vanes, are better wins for Golovkin..... than Lara Cotto Trout and Mosley, are for Canelo..... Canelo's top wins would be Lara..Jacobs and Cotto imo...GGG's would be Jacobs, Murray and Lemieux...I don't see a ton of separation there..... winning 7-5 vs a great Lara...and going 12 with a shot fat Cotto...is not imo better than 8 Round destruction of Lemieux...and 11 round destruction of Murray..... Vanes was inactive and moving up in weight...but he wasn't shot like SSM more or less was..... I don't think going 12 with Mosley when Canelo did, or 12 with Trout, are better wins than GGG running through Monroe and Geale..... https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=820918&page=16 ---------------------------- creates a thread misquoting Steve Weisfeld..... Boxing1013 attempted to remove defence, ring generalship, and effective aggression, as official scoring criteria..... to justify why he thinks Golovkin beat Canelo in their rematch..... but, had NO IDEA that Steve Weisfeld was AN OFFICIAL JUDGE at the Canelo/Golovkin rematch..... and Weisfeld scored that fight for Canelo looool https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=818903 ------------------------------- proves that he has no idea how to score a professional boxing match... I'll also tell you how I score them...generally give a 'full point' for a good hard clean shot...and a 'half point' for a punch that is a scoring blow but isn't necessarily super hard or clean. https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?p=20372893#post20372893 ------------------------------- thinks Golovkin's resume is just as good as Pernell Whitaker's resume resume wise it is interesting that one dominated with decision wins over good fighters, and one with KO wins over good fighters...both having the same number of wins, and about the same number of good wins. https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=843266 ------------------------------- thinks that Daniel Geale is a better fighter than Jeff Fenech I would even say Geale in his prime was a better fighter than Fenech https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=843266&page=2 ------------------------------- has NO idea what qualifies a fighter for greatness I think you are once again another on here who fails to realize that what makes 99% of great fighters great - is beating 9/10 or even 10/10 of the good solid pros they faced...most greats only face 1-2 or maybe 3 other greats in their primes/best weights, and usually they have mixed results there. https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=843266&page=2

Anything to discredit GGG. I dont even think anyone ducked anyone but here they are insistent that GGG ducked Ward. How could GGG have ducked Ward in 2015 by saying no to him when he already had a premier line up for himself at that time? Unification with Lemieux who was Ring Magazines #4 MW and a champion himself. Then Cotto later that year, as the WBc Mandatory, who paid GGG step aside money so he could fight Canelo. Then it was supposed to be Canelo, one of the fighters GGG wanted, but Canelo dropped the WBC belt. That forced GGG to find a new opponent and because there was nobody he fought his mandatory defense. WARD WAREADY CAMPAIGNING AS A FULL 175LBER After than came Eubank Jr who was supposed to fight GGG but stalled negotiations. On top of that Ward was fighting above the 168lb limit too! How many people are ducking someone TWO divisions above them? How does that make sense? It doesnt. It's just fun to pick on that trash ass loser aboutfkntime. Hes the biggest joke on this forum. Talks a big game and literally has nothing to back it. He even got the time line wrong and did he refute it? Nope. Just kept on trying to dig to find **** to fit his agenda. you are full-of-shlt... you loser By Rick Reeno "Over the past few weeks, a lot has been said and a lot has been written with respect to a potential fight between WBA/IBO middleweight champion Gennady "GGG" Golovkin (33-0, 30KOs) and WBA super middleweight king Andre Ward (28-0, 15KOs). As the finishing touches were being made to Golovkin's October 17th unification with IBF champion David Lemieux - Ward's promoter, Roc Nation Sports Chief Operating Officer David Itskowitch, emailed an official offer to Golovkin's promoter, Tom Loeffler of K2 Promotions. According to Loeffler , the offer was rejected because K2 had already finalized Golovkin's upcoming HBO Pay-Per-View fight with Lemieux - and the winner would become the mandatory challenger to the November 21st showdown between WBC champion Miguel Cotto and Mexican superstar Saul "Canelo" Alvarez. Loeffler indicates that their strategy, since last year, has been to unify the middleweight division. However, during that period they did explore potential fights at super middleweight with both Carl Froch and Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. When it came it Ward, Loeffler and Golovkin's trainer Abel Sanchez made it very clear that a catch-weight of 164-pounds would be required. They also feel their boxer deserves a bigger portion of the monetary split. Roc Nation's offer was an even 50-50 deal. Golovkin came under fire for his catch-weight demand. Loeffler explained that Golovkin fighting at the full weight limit of 168 would only be considered if the event was financially worth the risk. They felt a fight with Ward would not have generated the same financial benefits as a fight with Froch or Chavez. “We’ve always said when we first got to HBO that we wanted to unify the titles. We said we’d move up to 168 for mega events. Fights with Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. and Carl Froch would have been big events and that’s why we were willing to move up and we were willing to go down for a Floyd Mayweather fight before but we always said we wanted unification fights,” Loeffler told BoxingScene.com. Michael Yormark, president and chief of branding and strategy for parent company Roc Nation, disputes some of the information being circulated in the press. The Roc Nation executive reached out to BoxingScene.com to respond, on behalf of his company and their fighter, to some of the published statements from Golovkin's team members. According to Yormark, Roc Nation was never afforded the opportunity to discuss weight, the financial terms, potential dates, which fighter was the A-side or any other factor - because their offer was turned down in 36 minutes. "I respect Tom and he's a nice man, but as it relates to this issue - he's way off-base," Yormark told BoxingScene.com. "The chatter that you've been hearing from Triple G's camp is inappropriate, inaccurate and we need to clear this up immediately." "Andre Ward has always fought the best opponents that were available, and that holds true today as well. We want to fight the best and we obviously consider Triple G a formidable opponent. We made an offer to fight Triple G. It was the number one priority on Andre's list." "We made him an offer, prior quite frankly, to knowing about the fight with Lemieux. But regardless of that fight, the offer was very, very clear - that he and Andre would both have one fight before they fought each other, and they would fight each other sometime in the first half of 2016. So obviously the fight with Lemieux would continue to move forward and the next fight would be Andre in 2016. "They received the offer and in 36 minutes we got a response which basically stated 'we cannot accept the offer and we're going in a different direction.' In 36 minutes , so that tells me there was not even any consideration given to the offer, because at the end of the day Triple G always knew that he would never fight Andre Ward. He's stated publically, and in writing, that he would go up to 168 to fight anybody but Andre. We put an official offer on the table and we got a 'no' in 36 minutes. "I think you can assume that a fight between Triple G and Andre Ward is a fight that people would love to see. It would be great for HBO. I think, for the most part, everyone was on board - with the exception of Triple G and his camp. How do you respond in 36 minutes with a 'no' - unless you had no intention of fighting Andre Ward. "The only way you respond in 36 minutes is if you had no intention of ever fighting this guy. That's what 36 minutes tells you. Because if they did had a desire to fight Andre, and get in there with one of the best fighters in the world, they would have responded with 'thank you for your offer, we're going to discuss this with our fighter and get back to you.' That's typically how it's done. You don't respond in 36 minutes." "The split would have been a secondary issue behind making the fight and having a desire in making the fight. If they had responded to the email and said 'listen, let's sit down, let's negotiate and let's see if we can come to terms' - then that's a different story. We didn't have the opportunity to talk a split, we didn't have the opportunity to talk about who was the B or the A-side. We didn't have the opportunity talk about any details. To come out and say who would be the A-side and talk about splits, the reality was - they said 'no' in 36 minutes." "Right now, Andre Ward is the best pound-for-pound fighter in the world and they don't want nothing to do with him. I don't care what weight it is, I don't care what city it is, I don't care what country they fight in - they don't want nothing to do with the best pound-for-pound fighter in the world. That's not on their agenda. They can continue to fight journeymen and protect his record and try to continue to build this invincibility aura that he currently has. The fight with Andre Ward would have bee the fight to prove to people if he's as good as people think." Based on the circumstances, Ward and Roc Nation have moved on. Yormark was unable to confirm the details, but according to multiple sources in the industry - Ward is going to move up to light heavyweight, commit to a multi-fight deal with HBO, and eventually face light heavyweight champion Sergey Kovalev in a high profile showdown in 2016. Ward's return is slated for the Cotto-Alvarez HBO Pay-Per-View undercard. An official announcement regarding Ward's future is coming soon, says Yormark. "Triple G has fought journeymen for his entire career. It's obvious. We all know that. Andre Ward has fought the best of the best. Triple was at the top of his list. He was denied the opportunity to fight him in 36 minutes, so we've moved on. We'll be announcing our plans in the very near future, as to what Andre will be doing for the remainder of 2015 and in 2016. But we are moving on because we want to move forward and fight the best," Yormark said."

Yes! Here we go just where I wanted you. Tell me again how many fighters from 154-168 actually took GGG up on his offer? 10 1 was a cashout, but Golovkin totally avoided him until he got the fight on his terms Golovkin avoided 1 for as long as he could, but got mandated the other 8... Golovkin ducked, plain and simple 160 everyone was afraid of him even Canelo who camped at 155lbs. that is ******ed casual-fan bullshlt only the casuals and the gggoofballs believe that garbage that "dey duckin me doe" bullshlt... is just as lame as that "anyone from 154-168" bullshlt... only the cornballs fell for that lame schtick only Sturm sucked Hypekin, nobody else Who at 154? Golovkin ducked Canelo TWICE, at 155 Who at 168? Andre Ward ! No one. GGG is scared because no one wante to fight him? Lmfao. Heres a little gem for you and yes unlike your lying lazy ass I actually read the article and not just the headline. https://www.badlefthook.com/platform/amp/2015/6/16/8788845/gennady-golovkin-blasts-andre-ward "Hey, Ward, wake up! Why are you talking trash about other people? Speak for yourself. If you're trying to make a name for yourself by mentioning me to build up your own fight, then be a man about it and tell the truth. At our meeting with HBO they asked us whether we are ready to box. You know our answers - I said yes, you said no. You said something about your shoulder or promoter - I'm not interested in the reason, I only heard your "no." But you remember that HBO said then that they would need a long time to build-up the fight. Then what the **** are you talking about excuses?" Why didn't ward fight GGG in 2013? Hypekin talks shlt about everyone... but as usual, he did not sign the contract first Mr " anyone from 154-168 " killed that fight over weight then Mr " anyone from 154-168 " refused that fight in 36 minutes flat wake up you dumb cvnt... it wasn't just Ward, Golovkin refused to fight EVERYONE :lol1: he avoided everyone else, just like he is currently avoiding Andrade and Charlo

https://www.si.com/mma/2013/01/18/gennady-golovkin Just fyi...found that a few months ago and thought it was interesting as well. SI:You are going to be working the broadcast for the Golovkin fight. He's also mentioned as a possible opponent for you. Thoughts? Andre Ward: As for me and Golovkin, look at my body of work. I'll fight anyone out there. But look at his body of work and look at mine. There is no comparison. I fought the last three years with no break. I've been in grind mode. Let him build up his resume, get a body of work first, then we can talk. That was 2013...admitting he didn't want the fight then...but fanboys will spin that and say that Ward was right etc lol..it's just tiresome...people don't want to keep it real on here and then get really emotional too about stuff. Anything to discredit GGG. I dont even think anyone ducked anyone but here they are insistent that GGG ducked Ward. How could GGG have ducked Ward in 2015 by saying no to him when he already had a premier line up for himself at that time? Unification with Lemieux who was Ring Magazines #4 MW and a champion himself. Then Cotto later that year, as the WBc Mandatory, who paid GGG step aside money so he could fight Canelo. Then it was supposed to be Canelo, one of the fighters GGG wanted, but Canelo dropped the WBC belt. That forced GGG to find a new opponent and because there was nobody he fought his mandatory defense. WARD WAREADY CAMPAIGNING AS A FULL 175LBER After than came Eubank Jr who was supposed to fight GGG but stalled negotiations. On top of that Ward was fighting above the 168lb limit too! How many people are ducking someone TWO divisions above them? How does that make sense? It doesnt. It's just fun to pick on that trash ass loser aboutfkntime. Hes the biggest joke on this forum. Talks a big game and literally has nothing to back it. He even got the time line wrong and did he refute it? Nope. Just kept on trying to dig to find **** to fit his agenda.

Yeah man you're really getting me good...good job It’s finally sunk in!!!!!���� Still an alt though...

Are you trying to convince me or yourself that you are winning this argument?😂😂 I’m not reading them whatsoever, I’ll maybe catch sight of the first few lines. You’re such a loser... Just log into another alt or something because you have been well and truly exposed.😂 Yeah man you're really getting me good...good job

Imagine saying you aren't reading my posts...then outing yourself as reading them in the next post you make lololololol dude if I wasn't owning you so bad...I would feel bad...but it's hilarious to me, so please keep it up...I wanna see how far you can dig. Are you trying to convince me or yourself that you are winning this argument?😂😂 I’m not reading them whatsoever, I’ll maybe catch sight of the first few lines. You’re such a loser... Just log into another alt or something because you have been well and truly exposed.😂

Btw...the point about your poor grammar/understanding of the language/doubling down on being wrong/lashing out with names when called out - it illustrates your, sorry for the phrasing, rather poor intelligence...so yes if you want to be taken seriously intellectually...you should get that stuff right my friend, sincere advice.

I ain’t reading these essays...😂 When will it sink in??? Outed as an alt... Unluckeeeeeee😂😂😂😂😂 Imagine playing the grammar card after being busted as an alt. It’s a forum not an examination... What a loser... Imagine saying you aren't reading my posts...then outing yourself as reading them in the next post you make lololololol dude if I wasn't owning you so bad...I would feel bad...but it's hilarious to me, so please keep it up...I wanna see how far you can dig.

Imagine playing the grammar card after being busted as an alt. It’s a forum not an examination... What a loser...

Dude I honestly kind of feel like I'm bullying you...but you just won't really leave me alone so what can I do. Look at my join date...and number of posts lol...I'll do the math for you, since I assume you struggle with that as well. For all 3 of you interested members of the viewing public - Mr RJJ Goat got his use of 'who's/whose' wrong in a different thread...harmless but funny...and when I needled him about it he swore that he was using them right lol. I've made an average of 481 posts per month since I've had that account...200 more per month than you honey. So once again your logic makes 0 sense lol. Just take that L in the other thread and move on man...you can tell who takes it personal and really has an agenda when they take their grudge from thread to thread...that would be you :) lol I ain’t reading these essays...😂 When will it sink in??? Outed as an alt... Unluckeeeeeee😂😂😂😂😂

Yes! Here we go just where I wanted you. Tell me again how many fighters from 154-168 actually took GGG up on his offer? 160 everyone was afraid of him even Canelo who camped at 155lbs. Who at 154? Who at 168? No one. GGG is scared because no one wante to fight him? Lmfao. Heres a little gem for you and yes unlike your lying lazy ass I actually read the article and not just the headline. https://www.badlefthook.com/platform/amp/2015/6/16/8788845/gennady-golovkin-blasts-andre-ward "Hey, Ward, wake up! Why are you talking trash about other people? Speak for yourself. If you're trying to make a name for yourself by mentioning me to build up your own fight, then be a man about it and tell the truth. At our meeting with HBO they asked us whether we are ready to box. You know our answers - I said yes, you said no. You said something about your shoulder or promoter - I'm not interested in the reason, I only heard your "no." But you remember that HBO said then that they would need a long time to build-up the fight. Then what the **** are you talking about excuses?" Why didn't ward fight GGG in 2013? https://www.si.com/mma/2013/01/18/gennady-golovkin Just fyi...found that a few months ago and thought it was interesting as well. SI:You are going to be working the broadcast for the Golovkin fight. He's also mentioned as a possible opponent for you. Thoughts? Andre Ward: As for me and Golovkin, look at my body of work. I'll fight anyone out there. But look at his body of work and look at mine. There is no comparison. I fought the last three years with no break. I've been in grind mode. Let him build up his resume, get a body of work first, then we can talk. That was 2013...admitting he didn't want the fight then...but fanboys will spin that and say that Ward was right etc lol..it's just tiresome...people don't want to keep it real on here and then get really emotional too about stuff.