Imagine if Canelo NEVER fought GGG!

I was ok with Canelo going down to 154 and fighting Smith because I knew that Golovkin and the WBC we’re trying to blackmail Canelo. Canelo tried to reason with ggg and Loefflor but they held firm THE 45 percent split, and under no circumstance did I feel it was fair for Golovkin to be paid so well for a ppv that was guaranteed to sell over one million buys unless it was him bringing in the fans. We got the fight when we got it because that was when ggg finally agreed to the terms. The fight basically took 2 years to negotiate, not too bad compared to most mega fights and if ggg had been concerned with age and legacy then he could have took the 10 million offered to him originally. Just my opinion, no hard feelings Definitely no hard feelings and I enjoy hearing different perspectives. :boxing: Golovkin certainly could have taken the 10 million; I'm not sure what he ended up getting but I didn't get any of it so whatever lol. There were certainly pros and cons to each approach and like you said, at the very least we got two excellent fights while GGG was still competing at a high level.

I understand the business aspect of it, but are we more worried about Canelo's bottom line than we are about getting the best matchups? Let's look back at the Ring magazine top-10 at 160 from 2016: Gennady Golovkin Daniel Jacobs Billy Joe Saunders David Lemieux Andy Lee Chris Eubank Jr Hassan N'Dam N'Jikam Avtandil Khurtsidze Maciej Sulecki Ryota Murata If Golovkin was a "bum that couldn't sell PPV's" then who else was Canelo supposed to fight? The funny thing is that Golovkin is the only one on the list who had ever headlined a PPV to that point and Lemieux was the B-side for that event. Golovkin-Lemieux did 97K PPV's but the other guys did "0". Were you happy to see Canelo fight Liam Smith that year just because Smith was willing to fight for a smaller purse? I'm sure that Canelo could fight overmatched opponents and keep 90% of the money for the rest of his career if he wanted but do we really want that? Just because he's a bonafied PPV star? One thing I will say is that I'm glad Canelo fought Golovkin twice. Regardless of how anyone feels about the timing or the official results, I'm glad we got to see two excellent fights. I was ok with Canelo going down to 154 and fighting Smith because I knew that Golovkin and the WBC we’re trying to blackmail Canelo. Canelo tried to reason with ggg and Loefflor but they held firm THE 45 percent split, and under no circumstance did I feel it was fair for Golovkin to be paid so well for a ppv that was guaranteed to sell over one million buys unless it was him bringing in the fans. We got the fight when we got it because that was when ggg finally agreed to the terms. The fight basically took 2 years to negotiate, not too bad compared to most mega fights and if ggg had been concerned with age and legacy then he could have took the 10 million offered to him originally. Just my opinion, no hard feelings

Yes that did happen but your research failed to lead you to the most important piece of the puzzle! Anyone that holds the silver wbc title is the mandatory challenger to the official champ and it entitles him to 45 percent of the purse. Now do you honestly believe a bonafied ppv star like Canelo was gonna share that much of the purse with a bum like ggg that couldn’t sell ppvs? This rule is also why Charlo was very vocal at one point to fighting ggg and Canelo. For that purse split Charlo was more than willing to lose that O, but once the WBC made Canelo the franchise champ he was no longer bound to such terms. Which is why as soon as that happened GDB sent Charlo an offer of about 10 million which he declined immediately. It seems like the franchise belt actually exposed Charlo as an oportunistic bum I understand the business aspect of it, but are we more worried about Canelo's bottom line than we are about getting the best matchups? Let's look back at the Ring magazine top-10 at 160 from 2016: Gennady Golovkin Daniel Jacobs Billy Joe Saunders David Lemieux Andy Lee Chris Eubank Jr Hassan N'Dam N'Jikam Avtandil Khurtsidze Maciej Sulecki Ryota Murata If Golovkin was a "bum that couldn't sell PPV's" then who else was Canelo supposed to fight? The funny thing is that Golovkin is the only one on the list who had ever headlined a PPV to that point and Lemieux was the B-side for that event. Golovkin-Lemieux did 97K PPV's but the other guys did "0". Were you happy to see Canelo fight Liam Smith that year just because Smith was willing to fight for a smaller purse? I'm sure that Canelo could fight overmatched opponents and keep 90% of the money for the rest of his career if he wanted but do we really want that? Just because he's a bonafied PPV star? One thing I will say is that I'm glad Canelo fought Golovkin twice. Regardless of how anyone feels about the timing or the official results, I'm glad we got to see two excellent fights.

He’s always willing to take the risks. Going back to the Trout fight in 2013. Canelo was offered to be on another Mayweather undercard but he wanted assurances he would fight Floyd next. They refused so he set out to prove his a draw on his own. Trout was undefeated and coming off a win against Cotto in MSG. Golden Boy didn’t want him to take the fight as they felt it was too much of a risk and could kill a Mayweather fight if he lost. He took the fight and filled up a football stadium in San Antonio (I was there live) and showed he was a big draw on his own. Too many fighters are afraid to bet on themselves and just want the easy path.

I don't know what a "noob" is, but I looked up the "Canelo-WBC" issue to refresh my memory a bit: in May of 2016 - when the sanctioning body ordered him to face Golovkin in a mandatory defense. At the time Canelo was the WBC champion at 160. Canelo vacated the belt, lashed out at the WBC and dropped down to 154-pounds to fight for the WBO title. For several fights, Canelo was refusing to fight for the WBC title. https://abc13.com/sports/canelo-alvarez-now-eyes-mandatory-challenger-gennady-golovkin/1329114/ Am I a "know-it-all"? Nope, that's actually why I'm on this board: to contribute to threads and hopefully learn something in the process. Yes that did happen but your research failed to lead you to the most important piece of the puzzle! Anyone that holds the silver wbc title is the mandatory challenger to the official champ and it entitles him to 45 percent of the purse. Now do you honestly believe a bonafied ppv star like Canelo was gonna share that much of the purse with a bum like ggg that couldn’t sell ppvs? This rule is also why Charlo was very vocal at one point to fighting ggg and Canelo. For that purse split Charlo was more than willing to lose that O, but once the WBC made Canelo the franchise champ he was no longer bound to such terms. Which is why as soon as that happened GDB sent Charlo an offer of about 10 million which he declined immediately. It seems like the franchise belt actually exposed Charlo as an oportunistic bum

- -U redoable if U want it. Canelo in a contractual lawsuit and a dispute with the WBC. What, U a know it all noob to boxing? I don't know what a "noob" is, but I looked up the "Canelo-WBC" issue to refresh my memory a bit: in May of 2016 - when the sanctioning body ordered him to face Golovkin in a mandatory defense. At the time Canelo was the WBC champion at 160. Canelo vacated the belt, lashed out at the WBC and dropped down to 154-pounds to fight for the WBO title. For several fights, Canelo was refusing to fight for the WBC title. https://abc13.com/sports/canelo-alvarez-now-eyes-mandatory-challenger-gennady-golovkin/1329114/ Am I a "know-it-all"? Nope, that's actually why I'm on this board: to contribute to threads and hopefully learn something in the process.

Canelo has spoiled boxing fans with every single thing they’ve asked for unfortunately he gets nothing but hate in return If only GGG had spoiled his fans by moving up in weight to challenge Ward and capture titles in higher weight divisions.

- -Must make U the Mexican donkey cross dressed as El Puerco. Haha what does that even mean. Put the poms poms down brother, love and respect the sport and stop being such a nationalist

I find it funny that Canelo is the face of boxing but nobody knows him really outside of Mexico and US. The DAZN signing of Canelo is probably one of the worst signings in boxing history, there is no way DAZN going to make a profit off of Canelo plus he’s getting $35 million to fight the likes of BJ Saunders saids it’s all. Canelo’s last fight against Kovalev was boring and he almost lost to a raging alcoholic who struggled making 175 thus Why he fighting Barrera at a catchweight. Canelo is a good fighter but he’s isn’t great. Everytime he’s steps up he’s loses, he is the Mexican version of Miguel cotto without the luxury of being backed by the WBC - -Must make U the Mexican donkey cross dressed as El Puerco.

Golovkin was 35 in the first fight with Canelo and yes there is a difference between GGG at 33 vs. 35. At 33, he was coming off of a masterclass against David Lemieux whereas he looked vulnerable against Kell Brook and Daniel Jacobs before Canelo took the fight. Imagine if Canelo had jumped the the opportunity before Kell Brook did. It was certainly doable if he wanted it. - -U redoable if U want it. Canelo in a contractual lawsuit and a dispute with the WBC. What, U a know it all noob to boxing?

My point exactly. Put the nationalistic poms poms down man

I find it funny that Canelo is the face of boxing but nobody knows him really outside of Mexico and US. The DAZN signing of Canelo is probably one of the worst signings in boxing history, there is no way DAZN going to make a profit off of Canelo plus he’s getting $35 million to fight the likes of BJ Saunders saids it’s all. Canelo’s last fight against Kovalev was boring and he almost lost to a raging alcoholic who struggled making 175 thus Why he fighting Barrera at a catchweight. Canelo is a good fighter but he’s isn’t great. Everytime he’s steps up he’s loses, he is the Mexican version of Miguel cotto without the luxury of being backed by the WBC

Virtually all of Canelo's current fans would defend Canelo, saying GGG didn't really want the fight...similar to what Spence fans have done with Crawford...only difference imo is Crawford doesn't want Spence as much as GGG wanted Canelo...the payday for facing Canelo vs the one for facing Spence is night and day.

Yeah I think there is a physical difference between a 33 or just turned 34 and a 35 1/2 Golovkin When was the first time Golovkin looked actually beatable when he was 2 weeks shy of 35 fighting Jacobs , is that a just a fluke ? Was is that he finally was racing better competition or was it better competition was willing to fight him when he got to 35. I don’t think in 2017 I said Canelo was getting Ko. I knew I said Golovkin will win my point was Golovkin like every other Future HOF fighter Canelo has fought was 35+ when they fought which is a fact , a age when every fighter is on the physical decline. You may disagree but this strategy isn’t done by pure random chance by Canelo matchmakers , This is exactly what I've been saying. I'm not saying Golovkin was old per se, however he was SLIGHTLY past his peak when Canelo decided to fight him. That was done on purpose as you said and 1-2 years make a huge difference in your mid-30's vs. your 20's.

He did fight GGG after Cotto! Unifying is not better than fighting all the best fighters *2 years later.

If Canelo never fought GGG then his career would’ve been at a standstill until he did. And he wouldn’t have been as successful as he is now. The boxing fans, pundits, and public were already bamboozled and swindled by Mayweather and they’ll never forget it, nor forgive.

I thought U sounded familiar???? And you honored your bet like I do. Don’t feel bad I took Lemuix over Saunders and recently Wilder over Fury Of course you got your $ , I know the internet is full of people that don’t have to be responsible for what they type and we will never meet each and if if we did , we wouldn’t know it For me whether it’s the real world or over the Internet if I make a bet , I honour that sh.it you got your $ The next day , it’s the principle of it, you always pay what you owe and the person who is owed shouldn’t have to chase a person down, mention it or even remember that their owed $ they still get paid As soon as f.ucking possible. Internet or not , if you can’t stand behind a agreement or words you say then you’re just a piece of sh.it If those are your only 2 recent notable Ls you got wrong then your Golden , sh.it I’m starting to think I’m a real life version of Eddie Mush from the Bronx Tale the way the sh.its been going for me

So a 33 year old GGG KNocks Canelo the FUK out but not a 34 version??? Yeah I think there is a physical difference between a 33 or just turned 34 and a 35 1/2 Golovkin When was the first time Golovkin looked actually beatable when he was 2 weeks shy of 35 fighting Jacobs , is that a just a fluke ? Was is that he finally was racing better competition or was it better competition was willing to fight him when he got to 35. I don’t think in 2017 I said Canelo was getting Ko. I knew I said Golovkin will win my point was Golovkin like every other Future HOF fighter Canelo has fought was 35+ when they fought which is a fact , a age when every fighter is on the physical decline. You may disagree but this strategy isn’t done by pure random chance by Canelo matchmakers , your response that I said Canelo was getting KTFO which doesn’t even matter and I’m almost positive I didn’t say anything close to that when the fight became a reality but why does it matter what my opinion was , I’m damn near batting the Mendoza line the last year or two with my predictions. Sh.it I lost what $200-300 to you when I thought Vanes would make it to what the 4-5th Round against Golovkin , And I was confident in that one until about 30 seconds into round 1 , Pointing out a prediction of mine thats wrong isn’t really something you should brag about , it doesn’t change the reason when & why Canelos matchmakers decide When certain fights happen

I thought ggg was 34 years old and 8 months??? Should we do weeks and then maybe days??? How about the hour when GGg got old??? Tell me the exact day down to the minute ggg got old? Funny PAC with way more wars don’t have this problem doe... Canelo could have fought Golovkin in 2016 before Kell Brook did. He could have been the one to "expose" GGG before someone else made him look human. Canelo would have gotten even more credit for that and he didn't have to wait until GGG looked vulnerable against Brook and Daniel Jacobs before facing him. I've never said that Golovkin was "old" when Canelo fought him; I just felt like he was SLIGHTLY past his peak but still excellent. That doesn't mean Canelo isn't a great fighter, it just means that he and De La Hoya knew that time was on their side so they acted accordingly.

But they signed when GGg was 34. Pick the month where ggg went south??? Somewhere between the Kell Brook and Daniel Jacobs. He didn't look as explosive in those fights as he did before. My point is that if Canelo had fought GGG earlier then there wouldn't be a perception that he waited Golovkin out. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad we got two excellent fights; I just feel like Canelo could have fought GGG right after he beat Miguel Cotto instead of nearly decapitating Amir Khan.