The role Cocaine played in boxer's careers? Fury, Calzaghe, Whitaker, Tyson?

If you look at Ryan Garcia then they do more drugs for sure. Drugs aren't always a bad thing. I use 2MMC from time to time because it makes me feel really good and you can buy 2MMC online easily now.

I think that boxers today are doing even more drugs.

Think I read somewhere that the Inca chewed the Coca leaves to give them energy while working in the fields. :dunno: That’s more like sipping coffee throughout the day where as a line of coke is like slamming 3 Red Bulls. Oh and the coca leaves are pure unlike the sacks I use to slang cut with aspirin and NoDoz.

Think I read somewhere that the Inca chewed the Coca leaves to give them energy while working in the fields. :dunno:

exactly, it would damn near kill you in a boxing match Yup. Wouldn’t be able to stfu, get KO’d chewing on the mouth guard :lol1:

This Those were antihistamine pills crushed up in his water bottle. Asthma medication to open up breathing IIRC. Similar to Clenbuterol.

I would much rather fight on meth or adderall.

Have you ever taken cocaine? There is no benefit. exactly, it would damn near kill you in a boxing match

cocaine will not help you in a damn 12 round fight, you would most likely have a heart attack

This sport is extremely hard and dangerous. This is due to blows to the head, which cause various degenerative diseases in the long run. So if you do boxing, get checked by a neurologist regularly. Also, as far as I know, in a big sport, some people suffer from addictions. At the beginning of their career, they don't even know what is cociane, and then they become addicted. It's a very big problem that everyone can face. Taking any psychotropic drugs can be fatal. So if you know these athletes or people involved in sports, they may need help in rehabilitative clinics.

unless Tyson hit the coke on his way to the ring, he was not "HIGH ON COKE"

This Those were antihistamine pills crushed up in his water bottle. antihistamines make you drowsy. The sedative in niquil is an antihistamine. hes lying on that one.

Its only been in the last 10 years that theyve had the random drug testing for boxing. cocaine only shows up for like 3 days. So pre random testing as long as they didnt do it the week of the fight they would never be caught.

According to Panama Lewis, but the actual contents of the bottle were never tested. After what he did to Collins, do you believe him? No, according to one of the other guys in the corner. If I'm not mistaking, Panama said it was orange juice.

I've got it, it helps though. :lol1: I think I own one ancient boxing book. The rest are ancient sports or olympics etc. It'll start me off with a perspective on the time and if there's anything boxing relative to find I'll likely make the relation eventually. I don't mean that arrogantly, I'm just saying it isn't my first time using the backdoor to find some boxing history and I'm pretty sure this is one of those. Absolutely, man, all knowledge is relevent and interconnected in some way and anything that helps us build a more complete and nuanced picture of the world will lead to new insight into the shit we already got some knowledge of. I'm a firm believer that gaining new knowledge is never a wasted effort, no matter how tangential it may seem. You just never know what it'll inspire or when or how it'll be useful. In this case just a deeper understanding of the world in the 19th C opens out whole new branches of thought... shit's linked into ideas about conciousness, racism, drug policy... million other things

Dude......ain't nothing great about cocaine. It played apart in Calzaghe and Hattons life because of dealing with retirement and depression. I've heard Calzaghe might of dabbled with it when he wasnt in camp. Never did he during camp,Enzo wouldn't have allowed that sh...it. Hatton never did until the end, he was a drinker. I boxed the majority of my life but nowhere near to any of these guys levels and i had a hard time coming to terms with an injury that more or less ****ed me for 3 years and i fuxed with the dust for a soild year every weekend, painkillers the lot and i nearly lost everything. I just think its in our explosive do or die nature, i dont know i just know there is a pattern to this

Big ****ing thanks for that bud! I'll buy give it a read. Just to clarify it ain't about boxing but it is very insightful on the evolution of drug use and study over a formative historical period... I'd recommend it to anyone with the slightest interest in the subject.

Sadly my historical knowledge of drugs is pretty limited. From my perspective it was such a none-issue for so many millennia that no one really mentions it. It's more in the mentioning of related things that one gets an idea of what normal and abnormal are for ye oldens. I'll give an example of some historical allusion: When Tom Cribb was pick up by Lord something-or-another, I forgot his name but it it's important it wouldn't take long for me to look up, anyway when Tom Cribb got his money man behind him that guy worked with Tom and his training exercises to figure out what meals work best for Tom In the end Tom Cribb would be a vegan. Eating salads and drinking water. He and his backer were made fun of, accosted, men refused to lay their money on Cribb, because they believe men derive their power from alcohol and meat. So when Tom goes into the pub to promote his fight in ye olden versions of press conferences and orders salads and drinks water the ale swilling meat eaters let you know exactly how abnormal it was for them. Without Cribb to challenge the norm there is no other mention of meat based power, I doubt it'd've even got mentioned in boxing texts. I think it's amazing Tom Cribb was a vegan in 1810. Cocaine? Honestly, I don't know how much cocaine has to do with the golden era of HWs or the 80s p4p greatness, or even the 90s, but the years juxtaposed to cocaine's rise are interesting. I'd read that book if it was written. For sure we know SRL, Aaron Pryor and Arguello used cocaine - lots of it, and most likely many other fighters who enjoyed a moderate degree of success in the 70s and 80s... those were just the times - , but best I can establish it was mainly used recreationally, though there are definitely anecdotal accounts of it's use in the ring. https://www.nytimes.com/1987/08/08/sports/players-the-black-bottle-that-halted-pryor.html More modern studies suggest the drug is actually of little benfit and is more likely to harm rather than help performance in strenuous activities due to overstimulation of the sympathetic nervous system - especially at the sort of levels associated with recreational use... not quite sure how this fits in with the traditional chewing of Coca leaves for the suppression of hunger and reduction of fatigue, but in many cases refined versions of a drug (like Heroin vs Opium) produce slightly different effects than their more natural counterparts, in some cases due to the removal of active compounds present in the original form. I know a deal more about the history of drug use than of the history of boxing, but from my understanding it would be surprising if fighters in the second half of the 19th century did not experiment with then popular pick me up cocaine - you could buy the stuff in bars over the counter in drug stores and it was , obviously - popularised by it's use in Coca-cola until the early 20th C, it was all over the damn place, and sold as some kinda miracle drug to stop fatigue and increase confidence an bravery... like I say, hard to imagine some fighters didn't use it in an age where they'ld be drinking hard liquor between rounds. :lol1:The law in the US only really started paying attention when Cocaine started to become popular amongst the newly freed black population, at which point it suddenly became a social menace with white populations being terrorised with the myth of the black 'coke fiend' come to fax their women and steal their shit, ha ha - a narrative which has been maintained to the present day.. Anyways I'm rambling - I do have a passing knowledge of drugs and drug use from prehistory to the modern day, but not really as it pertains to sport or particularly boxing... I know your intrest would lie more in the boxing angle, but if you wanted a more general, and extremely readable, account of drug use and it's development through the 19th and early 20th Century - an age of experiment in the understanding of drugs as well as a key period in the development of modern boxing - you could do a great deal worse than 'Emperors of Dreams' by Mike Jay. https://mikejay.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/emperors-jacket-500x667.jpg Preview: https://books.google.co.uk/books/about/Emperors_of_Dreams.html?id=ToAKKQ03yNAC&printsec=frontcover&source=kp_read_button&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false

While I don't doubt Calzaghe has used/uses cocaine, I don't think he was caught trying to buy some. An undercover journalist was talking to Joe at a party and was secretly recording. Cocaine was brought up and to sound cool Calzaghe said something along the lines of "I know the score with coke, I dabble a bit..." Something like that anyway but if I remember correctly, he wasn't trying to buy some but trying look cool in front of a stranger he was talking to.

Greats do cocaine? Rick James