Wilder was on his way to surpassing Wlad

- -Money Kasha arithmetically illiterate. What grade U in now? 5 fights...4 opponents

official rankings says Wilder has only fought 4 top 10 opponents Ortiz (twice) Stiverne once and Fury twice - -Money Kasha arithmetically illiterate. What grade U in now?

:lol1: He is not even close. Bob Fitzsimmons holds the HW record for 0's taken at 33 Fitzs not only defeated 33 unbeaten professional boxers but he retired 28 men as well. You're spreading misinformation makes me comes off as a Klitschko hater. I like Wlad, but, his top tens are only top tens when you use official rankings, which you yourself refuse to apply equally to Wilder, and, Wlad's not even close to the record for having defeated the most unbeaten boxers. official rankings says Wilder has only fought 4 top 10 opponents Ortiz (twice) Stiverne once and Fury twice

:lol1: He is not even close. Bob Fitzsimmons holds the HW record for 0's taken at 33 Fitzs not only defeated 33 unbeaten professional boxers but he retired 28 men as well. Come on now, it doesn't count as taking someone's 0 when they also have no victories. The guy was in the 1800s fighting bums off the street who had never fought before. How many wins did Fitzsimmons have over undefeated fighters who had at least 1 victory?

It's a shame that Wlad wasn't born a little earlier or later. He just missed the guys you mentioned and he was finishing up right when Fury, Joshua and Wilder were really getting started. As it stands, he was head and shoulders above a weak era and better competition didn't come along until he was 39-40 years old. Fury was a bad matchup of course but he fought Joshua tooth and nail and I wonder what would have happened if they had fought a few years earlier. Totally agree.

Wilder was nowhere near surpassing Wlad.

No pictures but: Yeh that’s the list... I was a bit shocked when I read it, it’s pitiful

Klitschko also holds the record of having defeated the most boxers with an undefeated record, at 11, and defeated 11 current or former world champions throughout his career. These eleven included Chris Byrd (twice), Francois Botha, Ray Mercer, Lamon Brewster, Samuel Peter (twice), Sultan Ibragimov, Hasim Rahman, Ruslan Chagaev, David Haye, Jean-Marc Mormeck, and Alexander Povetkin. On top of this, he defeated other top heavyweights who did not hold titles but were nonetheless ranked within the top ten by BoxRec during his 2000-2003 and 2006-2015 reigns: Jameel McCline, Tony Thompson (twice), Eddie Chambers, and Kubrat Pulev.

If you go back to the origin point of this conflict you'll see my overarching point has to do with ranking and inconsistency with fan acknowledgment. I didn't set out to prove Wilder has done more in his first title run or 43 fights, that's just what happened. I set out to prove folks list Wlad's "Top Ten" wins using official rankings from a sanctioning body because if they didn't most of his 'resume' falls apart however they demonize Wilder because he too requires official ranking from a sanctioning body for his resume to be considered top ten. Also, the claim that Wlad fought the best available is just a lie. David Tua is an active and prime boxer, Lennox lingers, Holy is around, Tyson is around, Tony was there, Ruiz, RJJ was a HW, etc. And yeah, outside of Tua, which he really has no excuse for ducking, most those names were just hanging out to the past, but, they're still better than the **** show Wlad actually fought. Klitschko doesn't start to actually fight the best men around until around 09. about 50 fights deep into his career and 3 losses. And again, not so many top ten wins when you don't use official ranking and treat him like folks do Wilder. lol Wlad's wins over Byrd (twice) trump anything Wilder has ever done also Brewster was top 10,Ibragimov was top 10, Tony Thompson was top 10, Chagaev was top 10, Chambers was top 10, Haye was top 10, Povetkin was top 10, Pulev was top 10, Jennings was top 10.. alot more than Wilder ever fought

If I knew how to post pics I’d attach a list of all of wilders opponents and the rankings they had at the time.. it’s a depressing list for any Wilder fan No pictures but: Wilder’s Record: 1st Ethan Cox, wasn't ranked 2nd Shannon Gray, wasn't ranked 3rd Richard Greene Jr, wasn't ranked 4th Joseph Rabotte, ranked 393rd in the World 5th Charles Brown, wasn't ranked 6th Kelsey Arnold, wasn't ranked 7th Travis Allen, wasn't ranked 8th Jerry Vaughn, wasn't ranked 9th Ty Cobb, ranked 399th in the Heavyweight World 10th Alvaro Morales, wasn't ranked 11th Dustin Nichols, wasn't ranked 12th Shannon Caudle, wasn't ranked 13th Harold Sconiers, wasn't ranked 14th Dan Sheehan, wasn't ranked 15th DeAndrey Abron, wasn't ranked 16th Reggie Pena, wasn't ranked 17th Damon Reed, ranked 304th in the World 18th Dominique Alexander, wasn't ranked 19th Daniel Cota, ranked 489th in the World 20th David Long, wasn't ranked 21st Marlon Hayes, ranked 368th in the World 22nd Jesse Oltmanns, ranked 492th in the World 23rd Owen Beck, wasn't ranked 24th Kertson Manswell, ranked 310th in the World 25th Damon McCreary, ranked 357th in the World 26th Kelvin Price, wasn't ranked 27th Matthew Greer, ranked 325th in the World 28th Audley Harrison, ranked 136th in the World 29th Siarhei Liakhovich, ranked 43rd in the World 30th Nicolai Firtha, ranked 121nd in the World 31st Malik Scott, ranked 86th in the World 32nd Jason Gavern, ranked 194th in the World 33rd Bermane Stiverne, ranked 4th in the World 34th Eric Molina, ranked 37th in the World 35th Johann Duhaupas, ranked 34th in the World 36th Artur Szpilka, ranked 24th in the World 37th Chris Arreola, ranked 43rd in the World 38th Gerald Washington ranked 41st in the World 39th Bermane Stiverne “inactive for two years and UNRANKED at time of fight" 40th Luis Ortiz - ranked 6th (39 years old)

He’s still up there. Wlad lost five times if I remember correctly. He won sixty some odd times and five losses ain’t bad. Wilder won forty some times and lost once so far. I’d say he’s okay. If I knew how to post pics I’d attach a list of all of wilders opponents and the rankings they had at the time.. it’s a depressing list for any Wilder fan

You are exactly on point, can not be denied. In my opinion of all the decades I have watched heavyweight boxing i have never been more bored or unexcited than during the Klitscho reign. I like the guy and respected his work ethic, he did nothing for me as a fighter and will never have the urge to watch any highlights of his career. He accomplished a lot but would never beat an Ali Holmes Foreman Lewis Bowe Holyfield Tyson. Vitali is top 5 of all time. He was the man. Not Vlad. It's a shame that Wlad wasn't born a little earlier or later. He just missed the guys you mentioned and he was finishing up right when Fury, Joshua and Wilder were really getting started. As it stands, he was head and shoulders above a weak era and better competition didn't come along until he was 39-40 years old. Fury was a bad matchup of course but he fought Joshua tooth and nail and I wonder what would have happened if they had fought a few years earlier.

I wouldn't compare him to Wlad because Wlad reigned for over a decade and beat the best available competition in that time while dominating for the most part. Wilder could be on track to become a great even after his defeat to Fury. He hadn't fought a lot of marquee opponents, but if he were to come back and beat Fury and/or beat fighters like Joshua, he could be a great. Wilder hasn't fought marquee names like that, but the way he dominated was impressive to a certain extent.

Wilder is a bum, he never had any legacy and he will be forgotten.

The dog was on his way to catching the rabbit, until he stopped to take a shyt.

I'm comparing their first title runs. I think it's cute you chose to completely ignore the point about official rankings. You're comparing 1st title runs, but Wilder's 34. His first title run could be his only title run. If Wilder becomes champ again, I highly doubt he'd reign as long as Wlad did, even if he only fights bums.

Well see that's not the truth is it? You're using Wlad's official sanctioning body rankings to justify calling all those many many names top tens while refusing to acknowledge Wilder's full list of official sanctioning body ranked top ten wins. Like I said before, I don't want to pick Wlad apart to shade him, I want some congruent coverage and consistency with claims. So I'm not going to look for every instance, but, I will make an example of one of them: Wlad fought DaVarryl in 04 04's rankings: Vitali Klitschko, Champion Chris Byrd John Ruiz Hasim Rahman James Toney Monte Barrett Andrew Golota Fres Oquendo Jameel McCline Corrie Sanders Lamon Brewster No DaVarryl, not even Wlad. Because the two men there on the very bottom just whooped his ass in 03 and again in 04 so Wladimir Klitschko wasn't even a top ten himself let alone DaVarryl Williamson unless you use official rankings. Is that Wilder's full list of officially ranked top ten competition? Then my friend you are a hypocrite and inconsistent with your reasoning and criteria. If any are interested these men were official ranked: Stiverne Molina Szpilka Arreola Washington Ortiz Breazeale from 01 - 04 Wlad was KO'd twice, both times by unranked men from 2015-2020 Wilder was KO'd once by the highest rated HW outside of himself. The list in the quote is misleading. From the point when Wlad won his first title to the point when he was rebuilding his career successfully after his losses is 01-04 In that time he beat the following men from the quoted list: Schulz Byrd McCline Williamson Wilder's faced more top tens then Wlad had. Lol I like how you dismiss his title run from 2006 to 2015 and only use wlad’s 01 to 04 run

you have no idea what you are talking about Wlad's opponents who were in the top 10 at the time Wlad's top 10 opponents: Schulz Byrd I McCline DaVarryl Williamson Peter I Byrd II Brock Brewster II Ibragimov Thompson I Rahman Chagaev Chambers Peter II Haye Thompson II Povetkin Pulev Fury Joshua Wilder's top 10 Stiverne I Ortiz I Fury I Ortiz II Fury II Wlad fought alot better people Its obvious. The difference is clear.

lol at worse than Wilder Throughout his career, Wladimir defeated 23 boxers for the world heavyweight championship, breaking an all-time record that belonged to Joe Louis. Klitschko holds several historical records, including the longest combined world championship reign in heavyweight history at 4,383 days; the most wins in world title bouts in the international expansion heavyweight history at 25; the most wins in unified title bouts and the longest unified championship reign in professional boxing history at 15 title bouts and 14 consecutive defenses respectively; and has the second most total successful title defenses of any heavyweight boxer with 23 (including his first reign as WBO champion), behind Joe Louis (25) and ahead of Larry Holmes (20) and Muhammad Ali (19). Klitschko also holds the record for the most wins and defenses of the unified/undisputed world championship across professional boxing and MMA. Klitschko fought in 29 heavyweight title fights, more than any heavyweight champion in the sport's history. Klitschko also holds the record of having defeated the most boxers with an undefeated record, at 11, and defeated 11 current or former world champions throughout his career. These eleven included Chris Byrd (twice), Francois Botha, Ray Mercer, Lamon Brewster, Samuel Peter (twice), Sultan Ibragimov, Hasim Rahman, Ruslan Chagaev, David Haye, Jean-Marc Mormeck, and Alexander Povetkin. On top of this, he defeated other top heavyweights who did not hold titles but were nonetheless ranked within the top ten by BoxRec during his 2000-2003 and 2006-2015 reigns: Jameel McCline, Tony Thompson (twice), Eddie Chambers, and Kubrat Pulev. You are exactly on point, can not be denied. In my opinion of all the decades I have watched heavyweight boxing i have never been more bored or unexcited than during the Klitscho reign. I like the guy and respected his work ethic, he did nothing for me as a fighter and will never have the urge to watch any highlights of his career. He accomplished a lot but would never beat an Ali Holmes Foreman Lewis Bowe Holyfield Tyson. Vitali is top 5 of all time. He was the man. Not Vlad.

Yeah I agree, it was the part about Wilder's resume being top heavy that I'm not really sure about, as I don't think losing or being gifted a draw adds much to a resume. I think Wilder's camp thought they could get Fury before he was ready, it back fired and they were saved by house fighter scoring, after that they were committed to the rematch as the only way to salvage reputation. Then we saw what a fit Fury did to Wilder. So what is Wilder's best achievement? A gifted draw against a guy who wasn't back at 100% or Ortiz? I don't see either of those as building much of a legacy in themselves. So far, his best achievement is earning a draw against the top fighter of his era, and a future ATG.