...on the basis of TheRing ratings; drug cheaters are underlined:
1. Fury
2. Joshua
3. Whyte
4. Ortiz
5. Ruiz
6. Povetkin
7. Parker
8. Hunter
9. Kownacki
10. Rivas
only 60% of the above list are clean true sportsmen.
Huh, Fury was popped for a PED, his excuse was he got it from wild boar meat, he got a 2 year backdated ban for it. He might have also had issues with recreational drugs, but that's not what he was banned for, unless I'm remembering wrong.
So, should I restore Fury as a drug cheater ?
... yes: back in June 2017... he has been arrested for drugs possession and then convicted...
... though, Wilder and Fury were caught with "recreational drugs", not with PEDs... :)
Huh, Fury was popped for a PED, his excuse was he got it from wild boar meat, he got a 2 year backdated ban for it. He might have also had issues with recreational drugs, but that's not what he was banned for, unless I'm remembering wrong.
It is interesting also to hear with whom we should replace these three "guilty" names in this top 10 HW list. I would favour as follows:
- the winner of Joyce vs. Dubois;
- the winner of Usyk vs. Chisora;
- ? perhaps Hrgovic if he wins another good fight ?
I think Hrgovic has regressed a bit in my eyes, I'll have to see how he looks in his next fight. Usyk is a yes though, if he beats Chisora with his body of work he goes on the top ten. I like the idea of a top ten list of guys who have never popped.
OK, I did not know it was just that case. Thus, the list looks like this:
1. Fury
2. Joshua
3. Whyte
4. Wilder
5. Ortiz
6. Ruiz
7. Povetkin
8. Parker
9. Hunter
10. Kownacki
It is still 40%...
Yeah, he wasn't even caught with weed ON HIM or tested positive for weed either, the cops found a joint under the passenger seat of his car, which means it likely fell out of a friends pocket.
As a medical weed smoker myself, I would have been happy as hell to find a joint in my car. I doubt Wilder was though when those sirens went off :lol1:
It is interesting also to hear with whom we should replace these three "guilty" names in this top 10 HW list. I would favour as follows:
- the winner of Joyce vs. Dubois;
- the winner of Usyk vs. Chisora;
- ? perhaps Hrgovic if he wins another good fight ?
Except Whyte has been found guilty before that too..
Right but what was he found guilty of? I believe it was negligence as he bought an over-the counter protein supplement rather than dosing like some of the guys on the list.
He doesnt appear to be an intentional cheat at least
... yes: back in June 2017... he has been arrested for drugs possession and then convicted...
... though, Wilder and Fury were caught with "recreational drugs", not with PEDs... :)
OK, I am amending also Fury's name which contributes to diminishing the ratio to 30%...
1. Fury
2. Joshua
3. Whyte
4. Wilder
5. Ortiz
6. Ruiz
7. Povetkin
8. Parker
9. Hunter
10. Kownacki
... more likely... :)
... yes: back in June 2017... he has been arrested for drugs possession and then convicted...
... though, Wilder and Fury were caught with "recreational drugs", not with PEDs... :)
OK, I am amending also Fury's name which contributes to diminishing the ratio to 30%...
1. Fury
2. Joshua
3. Whyte
4. Wilder
5. Ortiz
6. Ruiz
7. Povetkin
8. Parker
9. Hunter
10. Kownacki
(...) Wilder was caught with narcotics once.
... yes: back in June 2017... he has been arrested for drugs possession and then convicted...
... though, Wilder and Fury were caught with "recreational drugs", not with PEDs... :)
No really, according to UKAD he didn't fail twice.
Also, its hilarious the accusations towards UKAD as not being impartial or covering for UK athletes. There was also VADA testing for the Rivas fight.
Not too mention it was UKAD that banned him the first time, for taking an over the counter supplement that they accept he took not knowing it contained banned substances, and they still gave him two years. Now compare that to Miller.
He failed two tests that's all I said i dont care about the circumstances. Read my posts thru here . Miller is scum he should be banned for life . Hes the worst ped case in ages . Maybe ever. **** was brutal . I was wondering why a 300+ lb man can throw so many punches . Now we know
He failed two tests . The second one was def shady but he was banned for two years for the first one . That's hardly assuming with the wording I put " fighters who have failed drug tests " then something happens again . The guy has arguably been caught twice altho i will agree the second time was very odd . Iam not assuming anything iam simply stating the fact that the man has failed two tests in career . U dont find that off aswell ?? Hardly screams clean athlete .
No really, according to UKAD he didn't fail twice.
Also, its hilarious the accusations towards UKAD as not being impartial or covering for UK athletes. There was also VADA testing for the Rivas fight.
Not too mention it was UKAD that banned him the first time, for taking an over the counter supplement that they accept he took not knowing it contained banned substances, and they still gave him two years. Now compare that to Miller.
You put Wilder on the list for possession of marijuana?
Good job exposing that dirty cheater. :lol1:
OK, I did not know it was just that case. Thus, the list looks like this:
1. Fury
2. Joshua
3. Whyte
4. Wilder
5. Ortiz
6. Ruiz
7. Povetkin
8. Parker
9. Hunter
10. Kownacki
It is still 40%...
Imho prolly over 80% of all top athletes are taking something but I wont call anyone a cheater until they fail a test . Why is wilder underlined ?? I dont remember him ever failing a drug test .Neither have I. The list shouldn't be based on thinking or hunches but on actual test results.
Kownacki always throw an incredibly number of punches, nothing odd that he set a new record with someone like Arreola. Besides, look at him -- he is the last man who could be accused of anything; even fat Ruiz looks more athletic than Adam.
And suggesting that he might be a cheat because he is a friend of a cheat is just stupid. He refused Joshua because of his pregnant wife.
Correct me if I am wrong here -- Whyte was banned a few years ago for cheating. Wilder was caught with narcotics once.
I was simply stating that in this day and age speculating anyone is on something isnt the most far off thing one could do . And altho he made some valid points that I added to it is all speculation . And I wont point my finger at any athlete until they fail a test . Whyte was banned as I stated in my post with someone else . Also wilder was caught with weed he didnt fail a drug test . Not that that is okay . Most of these guys are on something my man but again I wont point my finger until they fail a test and I certainly don't think fat guys coukdnt be juicing either.....that is also raw speculation.
Fair enough. This recent one was completely debunked/ exonerated.
Anyway, don't sleep on this guy - he is VERY good when in shape, which is mostly. When he gets his shot, a lot of pent up energy gonna come out. I REALLY REALLY hope he fights Wilder, that is an absolute mismatch mauling and most people don't seem to see that. Doubt Wilder takes it though, he is risk averse and will take the Fury 3 money and retire with some excuse. Spineless coward hype jib.
Iam a whyte fan myself he is fighting top fighters more so than any other guy in the top 10 and he is clearly avoided by wilder . Altho I can't hate wilder took a tougher fight so I commend him for that . I would never sleep on whyte hes a fighting man , he could have waited around for his shot but he fought top guys instead and I expect him to stretch povetkin . Iam excited to see how it plays out
He failed two tests . The second one was def shady but he was banned for two years for the first one . That's hardly assuming with the wording I put " fighters who have failed drug tests " then something happens again . The guy has arguably been caught twice altho i will agree the second time was very odd . Iam not assuming anything iam simply stating the fact that the man has failed two tests in career . U dont find that off aswell ?? Hardly screams clean athlete .
Fair enough. This recent one was completely debunked/ exonerated.
Anyway, don't sleep on this guy - he is VERY good when in shape, which is mostly. When he gets his shot, a lot of pent up energy gonna come out. I REALLY REALLY hope he fights Wilder, that is an absolute mismatch mauling and most people don't seem to see that. Doubt Wilder takes it though, he is risk averse and will take the Fury 3 money and retire with some excuse. Spineless coward hype jib.
Very few dont my man , very few imo . In any sport over 3/4 the top athletes are likely taking something. Also let's add to the kownacki post that he set an all time record with arreola for punches thrown in a heavyweight fight . It kind of screams epo but iam definately not pointing fingers at anyone . I wont call any fighter a cheater until they are popped .
Kownacki always throw an incredibly number of punches, nothing odd that he set a new record with someone like Arreola. Besides, look at him -- he is the last man who could be accused of anything; even fat Ruiz looks more athletic than Adam.
And suggesting that he might be a cheat because he is a friend of a cheat is just stupid. He refused Joshua because of his pregnant wife.
Correct me if I am wrong here -- Whyte was banned a few years ago for cheating. Wilder was caught with narcotics once.
I actually deleted that post.
Bottom line, it just looks suspect as hell.
Maybe it's not and maybe I am being unfair...
No i agree with you alot of things look suspect these days. U didnt call him a cheater u simply stated your concerns and altho speculation make some valid points . It's also easy to assume a chubby kid isnt taking anything but that's also speculation . The bottom line is that prolly most these guys are on something it is the day and age we live in .