Best stable in boxing currently?

Thats right. He is #1 at 126 because he is still the WBA "Super" FW Champ and defended that title like 4 or 5 times. Then he just beat Flores for the WBA Super FW championship. My bad. Then it should be ok for him to still be #1 at FW on TBRB. Is his move to 130 permanent? He shouldn’t be rated at FW. He is fighting Tank next at a weight between 130-135 lbs

Will PBC fighters start trying to make fights now that everyone has effectively lost interest in what they have to offer you think? That will be up to the individual fighters I think. If they are getting pushed into a fight they don't want I can see them looking for other management or faking injuries. They can't hide forever if they want to make some real money. Wilder had no choice, if he wanted that big money he had to fight either Fury or AJ. Charlo will eventually have to fight a big name soon or be happy earning < $2M per fight. Same with Tank, Santa Cruz, GRJ, they'll need to step up or step out for the money fights.

the fight is AJ/fury because wilder fought fury twice and AJ just avenged a loss to tub of lard with short arms, slow feet and no height/reach? lol thats the most laughable thing youve ever said "thats the fight all along" what if wilder had fought ruiz and beat him the fugg up and AJ fought fury and got his arse kicked? lol..would you still say that? of course you would....you hate wilder and haymon you will say anything fury was being honest about AJ and he wasnt the only boxer, manager, promoter, trainer in the world saying it..and he wasnt the only one from AJs home country saying they were avoiding wilder get a grip on reality....we know wilder turned down the offer from DAZN...we also know skipper admitted he messed up wilder at least had the balls to fight fury twice....when AJ ran from him and he needed a big fight you are insufferable...as big dunn and I mentioned you showed your true colors and character...disappeared for quite some time only to come back after wilder lost...im sure you have some made up reasons in your head....but we all know why youre back i used to think you were a decent guy...now i know youre a poosy It's the fight because it's all the belts and lineal. Usyk is a better fighter than Joshua so technically Fury-Usyk is the fight but Fury-Joshua means the most and has all the stakes. I don't like Joshua or his fans. I think Ruiz would break Wilder too. I hope they fight both being PBC guys. I don't care about "what if's" either. Wilder turned down the money attempted a cherry pick with Fury and it backfired. I don't care about what theories exist. Wilder was exposed as a bully and not a very good fighter which was my point all along. His excuses prove his true colors and lack of character to go with his poor skills and lack of overall quality. He wasn't worth the fuss made. I am back because I know the Wilder fanboys hate to see this stuff. Like I said they were so loud and annoying everyone is having fun especially with his excuses which I notice you don't seem to have a problem with. You wouldn't give another fighter the same pass would you? The forum is trash because posters like you for years have gotten to into this taking sides crap and you admitted your side is based on nationality. You said you’d root for Joshua if he was a PBC American and Wilder a Matchroom Brit. There’s no technical or tactical analysis or any insight it’s all biased theories based on what another fanbase thinks and says. It’s tiresome. Like I said I’ll stick around if I see it’s upsetting folks but I prefer to discuss boxing elsewhere with people are actually into the sport and not silly fan beefs.

I remember you admitted Wilder ducked the $100m offer and that made them even on "ducking". Fury hates Joshua of course he'll say whatever. My stance was always the fanboys on both sides were getting too worked up over two guys who ain't that good when I said all along Joshua-Wilder isn't even the top two guys. It's clear now that the fight is Fury-Joshua as I had said all along. I'm not upset at anything. I absolutely love how this all come out in the end and now Wilder is a meme and the laughing stock of the sport with how bad that beating was and how bad the excuses are. It's awesome and I am very happy. I wouldn't change any of the chain of events. the fight is AJ/fury because wilder fought fury twice and AJ just avenged a loss to tub of lard with short arms, slow feet and no height/reach? lol thats the most laughable thing youve ever said "thats the fight all along" what if wilder had fought ruiz and beat him the fugg up and AJ fought fury and got his arse kicked? lol..would you still say that? of course you would....you hate wilder and haymon you will say anything fury was being honest about AJ and he wasnt the only boxer, manager, promoter, trainer in the world saying it..and he wasnt the only one from AJs home country saying they were avoiding wilder get a grip on reality....we know wilder turned down the offer from DAZN...we also know skipper admitted he messed up wilder at least had the balls to fight fury twice....when AJ ran from him and he needed a big fight you are insufferable...as big dunn and I mentioned you showed your true colors and character...disappeared for quite some time only to come back after wilder lost...im sure you have some made up reasons in your head....but we all know why youre back i used to think you were a decent guy...now i know youre a poosy

PBC is gonna save boxing though. Will PBC fighters start trying to make fights now that everyone has effectively lost interest in what they have to offer you think?

top rank does have a good stable....but theirs could fall off rather quickly too if a couple of fights dont shake out their way... most hideous fan bases ever? hardly...it sucks that AJ avoided wilder....i know it still hurts some to admit that...but it was painfully obvious....there was too much evidence and too many people in boxing vocal about it...so wilder fans spouted off ...they werent lying.... thats why real fans, like myself, gave props to fury....i did so after the first fight....and yeah i said he avoided the rematch...and i also said i think he was probably smart to do so....and i gave him props before the 2nd fight too youre upset that wilder fans bickered with AJ fans....and even fury said it was AJ who was ducking wilder...so what are you really upset about? i think we know I remember you admitted Wilder ducked the $100m offer and that made them even on "ducking". Fury hates Joshua of course he'll say whatever. My stance was always the fanboys on both sides were getting too worked up over two guys who ain't that good when I said all along Joshua-Wilder isn't even the top two guys. It's clear now that the fight is Fury-Joshua as I had said all along. I'm not upset at anything. I absolutely love how this all come out in the end and now Wilder is a meme and the laughing stock of the sport with how bad that beating was and how bad the excuses are. It's awesome and I am very happy. I wouldn't change any of the chain of events.

Check again he just picked up the 130 wba strap Thats right. He is #1 at 126 because he is still the WBA "Super" FW Champ and defended that title like 4 or 5 times. Then he just beat Flores for the WBA Super FW championship. My bad. Then it should be ok for him to still be #1 at FW on TBRB. Is his move to 130 permanent?

Oh my love for boxing has been there. Been busy working on a book (I've posted in the history section), been talking at length to some of the all-time greats working on things, also active on other forums. I just prefer posting with rational fans so don't really come here but am I going to miss a chance to laugh at one of the loudest, most vocal and hideous fan bases ever? Hardly. So, Top Rank has the best stable right? top rank does have a good stable....but theirs could fall off rather quickly too if a couple of fights dont shake out their way... most hideous fan bases ever? hardly...it sucks that AJ avoided wilder....i know it still hurts some to admit that...but it was painfully obvious....there was too much evidence and too many people in boxing vocal about it...so wilder fans spouted off ...they werent lying.... thats why real fans, like myself, gave props to fury....i did so after the first fight....and yeah i said he avoided the rematch...and i also said i think he was probably smart to do so....and i gave him props before the 2nd fight too youre upset that wilder fans bickered with AJ fans....and even fury said it was AJ who was ducking wilder...so what are you really upset about? i think we know

OK, that is a fair point. His last 6 fights have been at 130 even though he still is the WBA FW champ. Check again he just picked up the 130 wba strap

Top Rank and Matchroom focus on building their stable from the bottom up. PBC has focused mainly on certain divisions where they already have the top fighters and doesn't pay as much attention to building prospects or European fighters.

In your pinion the fairest. LSC doesn’t fight at 126. How do you have him above Shakur and Warrington and GRJ? OK, that is a fair point. His last 6 fights have been at 130 even though he still is the WBA FW champ.

I find them to be the fairest and least corrupt rankings. Not sure what ranking you are looking at but as of today Lopez is #2 and Haney is #4. They switched after Lopez beat Commey. Prior to that, Haney should've IMO been ranked ahead of Lopez because he had won the eliminator over Abdullaev which was at least as solid a win as Magdalena, given he wasn't a career LW. In your pinion the fairest. LSC doesn’t fight at 126. How do you have him above Shakur and Warrington and GRJ?

TR have the most quality. PBC have the most depth.

Why do u have TBRB as the the be all end all? For example there is no way Haney should be ranked above Lopez. Just compare their bodies of work. I find them to be the fairest and least corrupt rankings. Not sure what ranking you are looking at but as of today Lopez is #2 and Haney is #4. They switched after Lopez beat Commey. Prior to that, Haney should've IMO been ranked ahead of Lopez because he had won the eliminator over Abdullaev which was at least as solid a win as Magdalena, given he wasn't a career LW.

You have some falsehoods in your post Chrisjs. TBRB has Spence #1 ww and Manny #2, not Crawford. TBRB has Mikey Garcia #1 at 140. TBRB has Leo Santa Cruz #1 at 126, Warrington #2 and Russell #3. TBR has Tank #2 at 130. Tank is also the top draw at 130/135. You should also point out they make garbage fights for Crawford and had Loma avoid Haney at 135 by working with the WBC to make him the franchise/emeritus champ. They do have a very strong roster right now. I especially like Navarette. But they also have gaps, like no one significant at 154, 160, only Crawford at 147. Why do u have TBRB as the the be all end all? For example there is no way Haney should be ranked above Lopez. Just compare their bodies of work. How can LSC be ranked at 126 when he holds a belt and campaigns at 130 and will be fighting Tank next somewhere between 130-135 lbs? seems like u gave the flawed list.

Oh, I’m not intending to stick around apart from the history section. It’s not like I didn’t pick Fury. You can ask Curt or look at my posts I’ve been saying it’s an easy fight for Fury since he beat him the first time. Curt will vouch for that. He said Fury was on the verge of death and feared for his life I said Fury beats him again. Do you want to hear the same thing over and over? I always said Wilder sucks. The worst fan bases we’ve seen have been Floyd, Pacquaio, Wilder. Canelo, Golovkin, Joshua have horrible fans too. They’ve ruined this place and that’s why I won’t stay unless I see I am upsetting certain posters then I will stay. The thing is you question everyone’s motives when everyone knows what your motives are. You are smarter about not saying certain terms than other posters but when you guilt people for how they see the sport or even just like a fighter or dislike a fighter you attack only those of a certain ethnicity. You know this. I make no bones about which fighters I like or dislike. I don't question everyone's motives, just the people who make it clear what they really are about with their use of coded language. I have no issue with you rooting for and picking Fury. I just noticed you are back in force. Good luck with the book. Also, check the accuracy of your initial post.

PBC is gonna save boxing though. How with its dying Army

ALL have plenty of talent so I don't get this obsession with PBC vs Top Rank vs DAZN at all when it is all boxing and we're suppose to be BOXING FANS and not Promotion Fans PBC still has a TON of talent so no sorry Wilder losing doesn't "End PBC" :nonono: :lol1: it did ruin some of their plans of course especially at heavyweight If Wilder STFU and stop making excuses, more people will tune in to see what he does after being Defeated but he has to stop with the SH#T excuses

Yup. Went into hiding, then came back once Fury won. Then starts back with the comments about Wilder's fan base, which oddly enough he uses the same terms as he does for Ward's fans, Floyd's fans and anyone that doesn't hate Haymon. The great thing about Fury's win is posters are showing their true selves. Oh, I’m not intending to stick around apart from the history section. It’s not like I didn’t pick Fury. You can ask Curt or look at my posts I’ve been saying it’s an easy fight for Fury since he beat him the first time. Curt will vouch for that. He said Fury was on the verge of death and feared for his life I said Fury beats him again. Do you want to hear the same thing over and over? I always said Wilder sucks. The worst fan bases we’ve seen have been Floyd, Pacquaio, Wilder. Canelo, Golovkin, Joshua have horrible fans too. They’ve ruined this place and that’s why I won’t stay unless I see I am upsetting certain posters then I will stay. The thing is you question everyone’s motives when everyone knows what your motives are. You are smarter about not saying certain terms than other posters but when you guilt people for how they see the sport or even just like a fighter or dislike a fighter you attack only those of a certain ethnicity. You know this.

lol....gotta love it...a wilder loss and suddenly chris js's love for boxing and boxing forums is reinvigorated.....says quite a bit Yup. Went into hiding, then came back once Fury won. Then starts back with the comments about Wilder's fan base, which oddly enough he uses the same terms as he does for Ward's fans, Floyd's fans and anyone that doesn't hate Haymon. The great thing about Fury's win is posters are showing their true selves.