That "costume" really doesn't look that heavy at all. Even if it did weigh that much he's a freaking HEAVYWEIGHT. How are you supposed to say that a measly 45 lb outfit over a 230 lb guy made you perform worse without making yourself look foolish and weak? Another reason why this costume excuse is so laughably bad.
Maybe Fury should wear a 45 lb costume in the rematch and see if it affects his performance.
Alright, all that. So long as it has been established that you don’t know what Wilders exercise regiment consists of. Or any boxers for that matter.
I don't know the regimen. But the fact that he said he trains with a 40 pound vest tells us that it puts a strain on his body. It is not far reaching to assume that him wearing a 45 vests for 15 - 20 mins standind with no breaks and walking almost 200ft during that time would cause some significant loss of stamina and would feel like a workout.
My four year old weighs 45lb/20kg. I sometimes lift him up, put him on my shoulders and walk around with him for a prolonged period of time. The worst it gives me is a pain in the neck and shoulders. That’s me, a couch potato who doesn’t train for a living. For Wilder (a professional world champion heavyweight) to say 45lb on his back caused him to go weak in his legs is easily the dumbest, lamest excuse I’ve ever heard in sports.
Not true at all. How athletic or tall Wilder is of a little consequence under certain conditions. The human body simply has it's limits no matter who you are. Wearing 45 pounds for 15 - 20 mins with no breaks and walking a 100ft - 200ft is going to cause a decent loss of stamina, especially in your legs, for anyone on the planet. At least enough to affect your performance in a 12 round fight.
You see that video up above?
Yes and the video actually proves my point. He trains in a 40 pound vest because it provides enough strain on his body to force it to be stronger so he is closer to peak strength and condition. Any weight capable of putting that kind strain on your body is going to take away from your stamina. And it would be silly for a boxer to get a significant workout in before major fight, which he likely did by where 45 pounds for 15 - 20 mins and walking 100ft - 200ft.
45 pounds is really not that heavy, that’s the equivalent of 20kg!
That’s a 10kg barbell in each hand, that should be nothing for the average man let alone a 6’7 230 pound athlete.
It’s a pathetic excuse, he walked for 10 minutes to the ring with it, you’re acting like he fought in the damn thing.
You're referring to one or a few reps, which could be done in a min or less. However, imagine lifting 10kg dumbbells in each hand for 15 - 20 mins and then starting a 12 rd fight. Yes, lifting 10kg dumbells is easy. It's the 12 rd fight part that's gets way harder when you've been lifting dumbbells for 15 - 20 mins. Furthermore, you compared what he did to lifting dumbells, but it would be more accurate to compare it squats or simply wearing a weight vests since the weight was concentrated in the traps and legs. Now are you saying you could easily wear 1/5 of your bodyweight in a weighted vest for 15 - 20, with no breaks, walk 100ft - 200ft and then start a fight with little significant loss of stamina? Because basically impossible for that to be true for any human on the planet.
My four year old weighs 45lb/20kg. I sometimes lift him up, put him on my shoulders and walk around with him for a prolonged period of time. The worst it gives me is a pain in the neck and shoulders. That’s me, a couch potato who doesn’t train for a living. For Wilder (a professional world champion heavyweight) to say 45lb on his back caused him to go weak in his legs is easily the dumbest, lamest excuse I’ve ever heard in sports.
Onto my next question.
Are you a professional fighter or is Carl Froch?
Lol...I'm not a pro fighter, Carl Froch of course is. However, I would consider myself a student of science. I can promise if you ask any scientist if the feat i suggested, woukd cause a huge loss in stamina, they will say yes. It's just physics and thermodynamics
This dude has never likely done any cardio heavy work that and workout. It's Wilders fault he choose to wear the gear, but it doesn't make his excuse invalid just because some random guy on a forum said he can lift 45lbs easily.
I never said it was a valid excuse, in my first post in this thread i said it was stupid and Wilder would have lost anyway. But that doesn't change the fact that wearing the equivalent of a weighted vest which is 1/5 of your bodyweight for 15 - 20 mins and then walking 100ft - 200ft is going to kill your stamina. That's all I'm saying.
How big are you? Just out of curiosity.
I'm 210 pounds, 6ft. Not a big at all. Curling 45 pounds is nothing, especially since the weight concentrated in the biceps, which is hardly involved in walking. However, spreading that weight across your body has the ability to fatigue multiple muscle groups if held long enough. Now spreading it out but concentrating it in your legs and then standing and walking for over 15 mins and then starting a 12 rd fought is another matter entirely
This dude has never likely done any cardio heavy work that and workout. It's Wilders fault he choose to wear the gear, but it doesn't make his excuse invalid just because some random guy on a forum said he can lift 45lbs easily.
45 pounds is really not that heavy, that’s the equivalent of 20kg!
That’s a 10kg barbell in each hand, that should be nothing for the average man let alone a 6’7 230 pound athlete.
It’s a pathetic excuse, he walked for 10 minutes to the ring with it, you’re acting like he fought in the damn thing.
I workout too and am very comfortable moving around 45 pounds whether for bicep curls or whatever. But are you really saying you could do all the heavy lifting you're talking about for 15 - 20 mins, mainly having the weight concentrated in your legs and traps, walk 100ft - 200ft right before 12 round fight and it wouldn't have any significant effect on your stamina for the fight? As in each round requires a huge amount more stamina than the feat in question since it is reasonable to expect a significant amount of stamina to be lost during each round. Btw, this could only be true if the body was doing many many times more work (perhaps 10x) each round than the feat suggested. I'm asking honestly but i hope you know that it is a physical impossibility both from a physics and thermodynamics perspective that each round could be around 10x the work of the feat in question.
This dude has never likely done any cardio heavy work that and workout. It's Wilders fault he choose to wear the gear, but it doesn't make his excuse invalid just because some random guy on a forum said he can lift 45lbs easily.
I’m not a city slicker like you are so I’ve taken part in plenty of activities that require heavy lifting. 40 pounds is nothing. If it was for him then he is the most flimsy fighter of all time. They should start rolling him to the ring in a sterilized dome like the bubble boy so that the outside world doesn’t affect his performance.
I workout too and am very comfortable moving around 45 pounds whether for bicep curls or whatever. But are you really saying you could do all the heavy lifting you're talking about for 15 - 20 mins, mainly having the weight concentrated in your legs and traps, walk 100ft - 200ft right before 12 round fight and it wouldn't have any significant effect on your stamina for the fight? As in each round requires a huge amount more stamina than the feat in question since it is reasonable to expect a significant amount of stamina to be lost during each round. Btw, this could only be true if the body was doing many many times more work (perhaps 10x) each round than the feat suggested. I'm asking honestly but i hope you know that it is a physical impossibility both from a physics and thermodynamics perspective that each round could be around 10x the work of the feat in question.
I’m not a city slicker like you are so I’ve taken part in plenty of activities that require heavy lifting. 40 pounds is nothing. If it was for him then he is the most flimsy fighter of all time. They should start rolling him to the ring in a sterilized dome like the bubble boy so that the outside world doesn’t affect his performance.
I seriously doubt you've hauled 45+ lbs around for 25+ minutes and even if you have fine, you're not a professional boxer. They're not trained in the same manner that others are training to either bulk up in muscle mass or haul weight around for long periods of time, believe it or not, you don't need to be a muscular ape to beat people up. I think its obvious that some people here haven't actually worked out a day in their life this is why their reaction is the one they're displaying.
Wilder in my opinion made a huge f up and he is paying the price, its his own fault.
Even if it did, check this out.
“An average Marine Corps infantry officer should to be physically able to carry 152 lbs. for nine miles. That load might sound extreme, but even official documents describe carrying a 100 lbs. as standard. Dec 26, 2018”That sounds like pure Marine bragging BS unless they have a few days to cover the 9 miles. Marines are tough but not supermen.
Honestly, I thought I'd be the last guy on the planet to ever defend Wilder. I thought he was a paper champ, basically was the real life Tommy Gunn in Rocky V. I think fighters were paid off to throw fights for him and that he never belonged at the elite level. I was never convinced he had as much power as people say and I was glad when he finally faced an elite fighter in good condition because what happened was what i always thought would happen, he got schooled terribly. Now no more ducking b- level fighters and higher for 5 years so you can maintain this false pretense that you're an elite fighter.
However, that being said, if his costume weighed 45 pounds, then that's going to hugely affectly his stamina for the fight. It's disingenuous when people say "oh but a girl could lift that much and he's 230 pounds". That's a silly argument. 45 pounds is nothing to pick up and put down once, as in one bicep rep. It's a whole other thing to put it on like a weighted vest for 15 - 20 mins and walk 100ft - 200ft during that time and then start a 12 round fight. In each example I've seen so far of how anyone can lift 45 pounds, no ones ever given an example of some doing that right before a 12 round fight and demonstrated it had little to no effect on stamina. There's no one on the planet whom that would not take at least a few rounds out of. And in Wilder's case, that's literally a 5th of his body weight, of course that would make a huge difference in performance.
Now do i think Wilder would have won without the costume or that the costume was the sole reason for the loss, of course not. I think Fury would have beaten him almost just as badly even if he had full stamina because Wilder is a horrible boxer who cannot hang at the elite level. Even Fury's tune up oppoents were better boxers. But to sit here and pretend that the feat of wearing the equivalent of a weighted vest which is spreading a 5th of your bodyweight across your body, especially your legs and traps, and walking 100 - 200 ft in the span 15 - 20 mins is not going to have a huge effect on performance is silly and ignores basic biology and physics. It was a stupid thing to do yes and an egregious oversight for such a fight and maybe he shouldn't have said it publicly but that still does not negate the fact that it would have affected his performance.
Absolutely no affect.
I could understand if he was a welter, but he is 6'7 and 230 freaking pounds.
With pin legs? I originally thought that he must be making just B.S. excuses but you either have strong leg development or you don't. Most pro boxers the very good ones will not be squatting heavy and I really can't think of any good reason to be squatting much for boxing. At best bodyweight squats make sense, but you don't want massive muscular legs it just harms mobility.