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I agree. I wasn't insinuating Wilder try to outbox Fury, more so that he get with Floyd to improve his Defense in-ring. Yeah Fury has banged but never like that. Wilder trying to outbox a newly aggressive Fury- but utilizing ZERO defense is what cost him. I was yelling keep your hands up from round 1. It looked like he was trying to time and counter Fury but he was doing it with his hands down + not considering Fury's reach advantage which = Wilder being wide open while leaning back but still in range. He ironically was putting himself in sweet spot territory for Fury's punches. Defensive responsibility is what I want him to improve on, as well as throwing uppercuts. So many missed opportunities. I feel he had to much pride at that time and his bravado didn't let him fight with his hands up, he wanted to prove he could also keep his hands low and remain a threat but Fury didn't respect him and top advantage. If you know balance is a challenge for you it's that much more important for you to maintain a good stance and adopt some variation of a peekaboo style because it will be harder to force you on the back foot and force you off balance. Fighters who are successful with slick styles have the speed and reflexes to make them work. It also requires high ring IQ to know when to slip and when to roll and when to counter. I knew Wilder was in bad trouble when in rounds 2 and 3 prior to the knockdown, Wilder was visibly moved by every 1-2 Fury threw, even if both punches didn't land. When you throw a 1-2 at your opponent and he moves both of his feet and give body language that reads " I hope he doesn't throw too many more of those" it means they already lost the fight in their own minds, and in Wilders case, we know he can't adjust on the fly. Fury was shooting for straight 7s every combination and you are hard pressed to find a combo that lands for Fury that doesn't notably affect Wilder. It felt like Mr. Satan against Gohan.

Fury Joshua Ruiz Deontay Dillian King Kong Pulev Rivas Povetkin Usyk Rivas above Usyk? AJ above Wilder?

Joshua Whyte Dubois Parker Joyce

To be fair Fury improved his 1-2 form and sits down on his jobs more in true Kronk form, but he could always bang inside, hes done it before. I think Wilder stands a better chance at taking Fury out if he comes out aggressively than if he tries to box, or add something new. For one, when you learn something new, when you get into trouble, you fall back on what you know, Wilder will bang it out anyway when Fury drops him again. Second, Fury can easily box him from the outside, Wilder has better odds forcing a war where he can catch Fury in exchanges. I agree. I wasn't insinuating Wilder try to outbox Fury, more so that he get with Floyd to improve his Defense in-ring. Yeah Fury has banged but never like that. Wilder trying to outbox a newly aggressive Fury- but utilizing ZERO defense is what cost him. I was yelling keep your hands up from round 1. It looked like he was trying to time and counter Fury but he was doing it with his hands down + not considering Fury's reach advantage which = Wilder being wide open while leaning back but still in range. He ironically was putting himself in sweet spot territory for Fury's punches. Defensive responsibility is what I want him to improve on, as well as throwing uppercuts. So many missed opportunities.

1. Fury 2. AJ 3. Wilder 4. Povetkin 5. Parker 6. Ruiz Jr 7. Pulev 8. Whyte 9. Hunter 10. Chisora Notes: - I can't include Usyk after one HW win against a last-minute replacement - AJ gets the nod ahead of Wilder because he has come back and avenged his single loss - Wilder is a wait and see - Michael Hunter deserves a little love - Chisora gets the nod at 10 because I think, right now, he beats all of the guys knocking on the door of the top 10 ie Joyce, Dubois. Those guys will have their time. - Luis Ortiz is done - Whyte is too hard to gauge - how much of what he's done has been because of juicing?

That's not the way to fight Fury. Most impactful way to go about the trilogy is to add more tools to the toolbox. Fury did it for the rematch: that was a brand-new Fury never seen before. Wilder needs to become something we've never seen before to keep up. He used to Box better coming up. Ive seen all his fights a few times. It' his corner that held him back, namely Jay Deas. Guy don't belong there. To be fair Fury improved his 1-2 form and sits down on his jobs more in true Kronk form, but he could always bang inside, hes done it before. I think Wilder stands a better chance at taking Fury out if he comes out aggressively than if he tries to box, or add something new. For one, when you learn something new, when you get into trouble, you fall back on what you know, Wilder will bang it out anyway when Fury drops him again. Second, Fury can easily box him from the outside, Wilder has better odds forcing a war where he can catch Fury in exchanges.

It would be interesting if he does try to add some skillsets and fundamentals but I think far more impactful would be simply to go on the offensive and swing for the fences. That's not the way to fight Fury. Most impactful way to go about the trilogy is to add more tools to the toolbox. Fury did it for the rematch: that was a brand-new Fury never seen before. Wilder needs to become something we've never seen before to keep up. He used to Box better coming up. Ive seen all his fights a few times. It' his corner that held him back, namely Jay Deas. Guy don't belong there.

Are we talking on ability or acheivement? Ability 1. Fury 2. Usyk 3. Joshua 4. Hrgovic 5. Dubois Acheivement 1. Fury 2. Joshua 3. Wilder 4. Ruiz, Jr. 5. Whyte

Would've been better than trying to outbox fury like he tried in the rematch. I hope he takes up Floyd's offer to train him. Put the pride to the side a bit. It would be interesting if he does try to add some skillsets and fundamentals but I think far more impactful would be simply to go on the offensive and swing for the fences.

Wilder is going to come out guns blazing, throwing caution to the wind. Looking for the kill with every shot. :boxing: Would've been better than trying to outbox fury like he tried in the rematch. I hope he takes up Floyd's offer to train him. Put the pride to the side a bit.

I gave Fury his props. Fought him twice and drastically improved because of it. Still #BOMBSQUAD my guy just needs to take it as serious as Fury CLEARLY did for the rematch. We've never seen fury the way he was in that 2nd fight. Wilder helped Fury become Fury 2.0 and hopefully this loss will help Wilder become Wilder 2.0. Wilder is going to come out guns blazing, throwing caution to the wind. Looking for the kill with every shot. :boxing:

Outside of Fury no one wants to fight the Bronze bomber. I'd say Ihe still has his fear factor. I gave Fury his props. Fought him twice and drastically improved because of it. Still #BOMBSQUAD my guy just needs to take it as serious as Fury CLEARLY did for the rematch. We've never seen fury the way he was in that 2nd fight. Wilder helped Fury become Fury 2.0 and hopefully this loss will help Wilder become Wilder 2.0.

Sadly the same can't be said for the modern day Frank Bruno, that poor man's Mike Tyson demolished last year. Outside of Fury no one wants to fight the Bronze bomber. I'd say Ihe still has his fear factor.

Wilder has more power and a better chin than Bruno, and more people are afraid of Wilder. Sadly the same can't be said for the modern day Frank Bruno, that poor man's Mike Tyson demolished last year.

He'd beat the modern day bruno that poor man's mike beat too. Wilder has more power and a better chin than Bruno, and more people are afraid of Wilder.

:lol1: I think Wilder would beat Bruno. He'd beat the modern day bruno that poor man's mike beat too.

Poor Man's Mike is an apt title considering he demolished a modern version of Frank Bruno. :lol1: I think Wilder would beat Bruno.

Ruiz is a poor mans Tyson. He honestly needed to make a statement in the rematch and he fell short. Poor Man's Mike is an apt title considering he demolished a modern version of Frank Bruno.

No the second coming of Iron Mike was Ruiz who utterly destroyed the British hype job Ruiz is a poor mans Tyson. He honestly needed to make a statement in the rematch and he fell short.

Ortiz is an elite fighter that has only lost to Wilder, the second coming of Iron Mike Tyson. No the second coming of Iron Mike was Ruiz who utterly destroyed the British hype job