seems to me many on this site use terms without knowing the meaning or use of it properly in context....words like prime and green get thrown around here daily....yes Canelo was 23 years old at the time of the fight but boxing is more than about age, hear are stone cold facts
1) Canelo was a pro from october 2005 until the september fight date in 2013 vs mayweather...about 8 years
2) he was 43 fight veteran
3) was he at his prime? no but was a green or inexperienced, absolutely not
4) he defeated 6 world champion by the time of the 5 and a hall of famer albeit a past prime one in Mosley...miguel vazquez, Kermit Cintron, Lovemore Ndou, Carlos Baldomir, and austin trout
5) he was a unified champion
with all this taken into consideration, its pretty fair to say that "green" is an overstatement.
You can literally go back through this site and see people thought mayweather would NEVER fight canelo. I hate revisionist history. It went from mayweather too scared to fight canelo to oh the weight cut made canelo a skeleton to now canelo was too green. NO Version of canelo was beating floyd. They thought floyd was an old man and Oscar was looking to boost canelo like pac came up off him. It backfired. I dont wanna hear about green when floyd was fkn 36-7 years old.
Floyd looked great that night, you can't throw around vague comments that Floyd wasn't prime!
Great performance from floyd, had Floyd ever looked better.
Not a great win though! Nel o was green and a cw
Perfectly stated my man!
Plus, Floyd’s style preserves his prime for longer, because he don’t fight!
Canelo was SO EFFEN GREEN.
But today Canelo would KO 2013 Maywedda. And 08-11 PAC TKO’s Maywedda.
And Maywedda doesn’t care about black people!
Floyd looked great that night, you can't throw around vague comments that Floyd wasn't prime!
Great performance from floyd, had Floyd ever looked better.
Not a great win though! Nel o was green and a cw
Ok so at 36 and 17 years as a pro floyd was prime??
but at 23 as a unified champ and as almost a 10 year pro with over 40 fights Canelo was green??
alright man..enjoy your night
Touchy?? all I said is at 36 Floyd was not prime nor at his beat..what did I post wrong?
Floyd looked great that night, you can't throw around vague comments that Floyd wasn't prime!
Great performance from floyd, had Floyd ever looked better.
Not a great win though! Nel o was green and a cw
Floyd was vastly more experienced. Why Floyd fans so touchy about Floyd didn't fight someone nearly at their best.
Floyd s always been about zero, not fighting people at their best, so why all of a sudden Floyd fans trying to defend Floyd in this fight? It was a cw also, so Floyd fans should give it up on this particular fight.
Touchy?? all I said is at 36 Floyd was not prime nor at his beat..what did I post wrong?
Yep the referrerence of prime green is indeed thrown around like confetti in here, so much fan BS is built around supposed prime.
People will look at a guys most spectacular wins and claim that short window was prime, if it suits his agenda lol.
In the very top guys their best boxing prime is generally in the last 3 quarters of their career.
A fighter has a mental prime, a physical prime, and a veteran prime, the 3 areas mesh and intertwine over different intervals during his career, thats why a guy can peak on the night and it just all comes together, his prime hasnt changed only he was more in the zone in the right hour. Its like a racehorse can be 1/2 second slower today than yesterday, was his prime and different no, only his peaking was different.
The top guys are great and being in the 90% + performance zone because of their skill muscle memory hard work and dedication, ATGs are in the prime zone for most of their careers.
great post
canelo was not prime but nor was floyd
Floyd was vastly more experienced. Why Floyd fans so touchy about Floyd didn't fight someone nearly at their best.
Floyd s always been about zero, not fighting people at their best, so why all of a sudden Floyd fans trying to defend Floyd in this fight? It was a cw also, so Floyd fans should give it up on this particular fight.
The other myth buster about this fight was that Floyd shut Canelo out or that it was very one sided, people only remember the last 4 rounds, the first 8 were very competitive. It was high speed chess, and at times Canelo was getting the better of it.
It's one of those fights where the commentators affected the perception of the general public, the fact that it was a boxing match automatically meant Floyd was dominating, when in reality that wasnt the case in the first half of the fight. After round 8 Canelo became mentally fatigued, he just couldn't keep up with Floyd's changing patterns, rhythm, etc
It was a lack of experience at that level, and had he fought Floyd from the 2017 version to now, this prime version of Canelo has learned to use his size and physicality, hes put the package together, and I think he beats any version of floyd as the bigger man, that was really the missing ingredient.
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seems to me many on this site use terms without knowing the meaning or use of it properly in context....words like prime and green get thrown around here daily....yes Canelo was 23 years old at the time of the fight but boxing is more than about age, hear are stone cold facts
1) Canelo was a pro from october 2005 until the september fight date in 2013 vs mayweather...about 8 years
2) he was 43 fight veteran
3) was he at his prime? no but was a green or inexperienced, absolutely not
4) he defeated 6 world champion by the time of the 5 and a hall of famer albeit a past prime one in Mosley...miguel vazquez, Kermit Cintron, Lovemore Ndou, Carlos Baldomir, and austin trout
5) he was a unified champion
with all this taken into consideration, its pretty fair to say that "green" is an overstatement.
Yep the referrerence of prime green is indeed thrown around like confetti in here, so much fan BS is built around supposed prime.
People will look at a guys most spectacular wins and claim that short window was prime, if it suits his agenda lol.
In the very top guys their best boxing prime is generally in the last 3 quarters of their career.
A fighter has a mental prime, a physical prime, and a veteran prime, the 3 areas mesh and intertwine over different intervals during his career, thats why a guy can peak on the night and it just all comes together, his prime hasnt changed only he was more in the zone in the right hour. Its like a racehorse can be 1/2 second slower today than yesterday, was his prime and different no, only his peaking was different.
The top guys are great and being in the 90% + performance zone because of their skill muscle memory hard work and dedication, ATGs are in the prime zone for most of their careers.
He wasn’t green but he wasn’t anywhere near the fighter he’s turned into.
To think that was Canelo at his best is laughable
With the lesson he received from Mayweather playing a big part in the fighter he has come to be wince then. It was
A complete wash. You could argue he didn’t win a single round.
Nelo now wouldnt try outbox floyd. He would walk him down like he tried with GGG at points in 2nd fight. Kovalev couldnt even keep nelo off.
Floyd couldnt keep maidana off him. Nelo would be over floyd like a rash. I cant see any version of floyd beating prime nelo.
BUt depends on what weight.
You realize the 'walk him down, can't keep Nelo off of him' talk was the narrative of Mayweather haters/Canelo fans going into that fight, right?
Cmon man even noobs should realize at this point that was not prime canelo not even close floyd knew it so he jumped on it ****t if he was so confident that he could beat a prime canelo he wudda jumped st the chance a few yrs back when canelo called him out.
Floyd knows damn well he beat a young green canelo that’s why he won’t dare step in with him anymore.
Yea...Floyd at 40 should’ve come out of retirement to prove his legacy against a now prime Canelo".....You sound ridiculous dude....
Floyd fought for only 2 more years after he fought Canelo, just give Floyd his props...even as a 36 yesterday old he was beating top p4p fighters...
The other myth buster about this fight was that Floyd shut Canelo out or that it was very one sided, people only remember the last 4 rounds, the first 8 were very competitive. It was high speed chess, and at times Canelo was getting the better of it.
It's one of those fights where the commentators affected the perception of the general public, the fact that it was a boxing match automatically meant Floyd was dominating, when in reality that wasnt the case in the first half of the fight. After round 8 Canelo became mentally fatigued, he just couldn't keep up with Floyd's changing patterns, rhythm, etc
It was a lack of experience at that level, and had he fought Floyd from the 2017 version to now, this prime version of Canelo has learned to use his size and physicality, hes put the package together, and I think he beats any version of floyd as the bigger man, that was really the missing ingredient.
At what point was there fight close? Stop it where not gonna re-write history...Floyd dominated from the jump and Canelo was not winning rounds period.
Also Canelo was a unified champion and rated 2nd p4p...people need to stop acting like he was some wet behind the ears fighter
The other myth buster about this fight was that Floyd shut Canelo out or that it was very one sided, people only remember the last 4 rounds, the first 8 were very competitive. It was high speed chess, and at times Canelo was getting the better of it.
It's one of those fights where the commentators affected the perception of the general public, the fact that it was a boxing match automatically meant Floyd was dominating, when in reality that wasnt the case in the first half of the fight. After round 8 Canelo became mentally fatigued, he just couldn't keep up with Floyd's changing patterns, rhythm, etc
It was a lack of experience at that level, and had he fought Floyd from the 2017 version to now, this prime version of Canelo has learned to use his size and physicality, hes put the package together, and I think he beats any version of floyd as the bigger man, that was really the missing ingredient.
Lol. theyre always favoring floyd those commentators, literally trying to control the narrative.
Watch the pac and may fight with no sound on and you'll notice Pac won that fight. The commentators are rigged and so are the judges in all Floyd fights.
22 is as green as you can get. Just look at all the 22 year old boxers in history
Muhammad Ali won the heavyweight championship as an underdog at 22. Mayweather won his first title at 21. Wilfred benitez 17. Tyson 20. I can go on and on
Canelo didn't win because he wasn't good enough to beat Mayweather. "Green" is just a laughable way to rewrite history and he was 23 not 22.
Yet Floyd and Tank insist they were "too young" to fight Loma when Tank had already had 225 amateur fights, he was a champion at age 22, and even at the age of 24 Floyd was insisting Tank was too young for Loma. At age 25 that still seems to be the narrative/excuse for Tank ducking Loma.
Nelo now wouldnt try outbox floyd. He would walk him down like he tried with GGG at points in 2nd fight. Kovalev couldnt even keep nelo off.
Floyd couldnt keep maidana off him. Nelo would be over floyd like a rash. I cant see any version of floyd beating prime nelo.
BUt depends on what weight.
great post, cant say he beats any version of floyd for the simple fact he wasnt in his mid 30s in his first fight at 154....he was closer to his prime, meaning better stamina higher punch output and more speed...reflexes sharper
bad style match up, and canelo always had and has trouble with mobility
their is more to boxing than size
Size isnt the determining factor, maybe I didnt emphasis this, it's Canelo's overall skill set, the experience hes gained, coupled with him knowing how to utilise his size in a hypothetical match up with a smaller great fighter in Floyd. I think it's a big ask for any version of Floyd beating Canelo in his prime, which is probably right now as a 160-168lb fighter.
Floyd is clearly the better fighter and it's not even close, but h2h prime vs prime they really wouldnt be at the same weight and/or it would be Floyd moving up to or close to 160 (158) then I favour Canelo, that's what I meant.
The other myth buster about this fight was that Floyd shut Canelo out or that it was very one sided, people only remember the last 4 rounds, the first 8 were very competitive. It was high speed chess, and at times Canelo was getting the better of it.
It's one of those fights where the commentators affected the perception of the general public, the fact that it was a boxing match automatically meant Floyd was dominating, when in reality that wasnt the case in the first half of the fight. After round 8 Canelo became mentally fatigued, he just couldn't keep up with Floyd's changing patterns, rhythm, etc
It was a lack of experience at that level, and had he fought Floyd from the 2017 version to now, this prime version of Canelo has learned to use his size and physicality, hes put the package together, and I think he beats any version of floyd as the bigger man, that was really the missing ingredient.
great post, cant say he beats any version of floyd for the simple fact he wasnt in his mid 30s in his first fight at 154....he was closer to his prime, meaning better stamina higher punch output and more speed...reflexes sharper
bad style match up, and canelo always had and has trouble with mobility
their is more to boxing than size
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