Ever since Fury changed trainers, I've been convinced he'll lose

I'm delighted to have been proven wrong. Obviously.

Furys weight is only an advantage if we go by his ring IQ, he wouldn't be that weight tonight and this long in camp which is miles if you really been boxing long so id have to assume that weight is an advantage bc that's what I would do knowing I could catch Wilder early and have extra weight in later rounds ? IDK Even Wilders own weight which I do like COULD backfire to a bigger guy if its an ugly fight ? I see Wilders foundation a severe weak point ,I think balance is a must and Wilder that's his weakest point if you know how to attack that and that's hit hiom off balance which dpont require power shots. This is a huge advantage for Fury . If wilder does win hes certainly has that win he needed but Joshua in my eyes is that guy he needs to fight a more difficult match up ,but if fury wins he doesn't hold the favorite card in my eyes either ,I believe Joshua has the style to deal with both I stand by that . Good call. Wilder almost made it to the 11th lol. yeah Fury trained for fighting with the weight and did... Hopefully we get to see Joshua and Fury fight.

I don't know man.. Fury looked good on the scales, but so did Wilder. A gun to my head, I'd have to say Wilder but both looked good and confident I feel. I don't know more than you don't know!:rofl: sorry could not resist. I don't think its ever good that a fighter ways a lot more for a fight. Wilder is an exception because he looked really fine tuned, and he may have been underweight his last fight. But Fury coming in that heavy bugs me. As I posted to Juggs Fury's dad seems ok with it, and that means a lot to me, as I trust his dad's perspective... But its a hard pill for me to swallow that it benefits fury to come in at that weight compared to last time.

Id hold off on that great minds until after this one ..lol I do like Furys weight because hes been in the camp at that mark , I do like Wilders weight as well , hes proven to me to be more dangerous at above 220 even if others don't study fights ,I do and know we will get best of both tonight ….BUT...unsure of what type of fury injury was ? Ive seen enough footage that it doesn't really matter ,its a close quarter position fight not as much moving unless Fury is ahead comfortably after 7 rounds. I really just don't know I picked Fury to win the first one and lose the rematch before they even fought ……… but people have to under stand Wilder is a real guy standing 6'7 long reach himself and at this weight I know not think he is more dangerous and will fury stay focuses if he does'nt get a knockout ? I'll stick with my change though ,going Fury 11th round stoppage just to change it up a bit .But Wilder is going to be hard to stop tonight. I did not like the weigh in, Fury with the shirt and all, and his weight. However I also heard his dad after the weigh in speak, and I think John Fury is honest about his son...and he is not concerned about the weight. So yeah, I am also thinking hard. Wilder absolutely looks great, best i have ever seen him frankly. Fury by stoppage in the 11th is your prediction? Man I wish we could handicap lol. My heart says Fury by points with possible judge interference, my head says that weight is a no no. Fury is spectacular and took the shots before, usually makes the boxer the advantage, so I will go with my heart here. We do not know Wilder's chin, what happens if he really gets tagged well. That is the unknown here.

Davison trained him in what exactly?... I guess he acted more like a wellness coach... How about trained him to what should have been the biggest comeback story in boxing history? :thinking:

****. You think so ? I think you are one of the more knowledgeable posters here I bet 20$ with a friend:lol1: God dammit I dont know man. You're right though. Fury normally is in the limelight. But im buying hes taking this that serious that he wants nothing but pure focus on this fight. Like he said all the cameras are there until you get knocked out cold and then there gone. Comments like that got me thinking hes for real on it. I don't know man.. Fury looked good on the scales, but so did Wilder. A gun to my head, I'd have to say Wilder but both looked good and confident I feel.

I think that is Wilder by KO is a very popular choice for many pundits. Thing about Wilder is that he is consistent with knocking people down and hurting them every single fight. The question mark is always around Fury's mental state and preparation - which is clearly inconsistant. I was worried when he switched trainers as well - but Kronk should be as good, if not better than Ben Davidson. The last video I watched had 10-1 picking Fury, but that’s just one poll. I looked at the odds thinking maybe Fury would be favoured now but Wilder seems to be favoured even if it’s just by a smidge. Course Vegas odds are written depending on the money coming in. At this point I’d like to see Fury win by KO or Wilder win on points just to really bend things, that’s what keeps everyone interested after all. All this talk about Fury coming in heavy on purpose at 270lbs is either mind games or an excuse for him coming into camp overweight. We will know more at the weigh in. If they let anybody weigh in other than just their skivies, i.e Sombrero and shirt, I’ll be pissed. I think it’s a joke that millions can be spent on betting while we can’t get a honest look at a fighter if they want to cover up. If Fury wins on points no one will be surprised, if Wilder wins by KO no one will be surprised. I don’t want sum snooze fest, but it’d like to see something nobody suspected.

Can anyone put up any point to change my mind? I think he'll lose, likely by KO. I predict, no matter what happens that he'll be back with Ben Davison for his next fight. Davison trained him in what exactly?... I guess he acted more like a wellness coach...

I think that is Wilder by KO is a very popular choice for many pundits. Thing about Wilder is that he is consistent with knocking people down and hurting them every single fight. The question mark is always around Fury's mental state and preparation - which is clearly inconsistant. I was worried when he switched trainers as well - but Kronk should be as good, if not better than Ben Davidson.

I need to see boxing shape. haven't seen one good clip of his training. The one i did see looked absolutely horrendous. Why? At his worse boxing shape, all he has to do is avoid a right hand and pick up rounds. At his worse Ortiz had Wilder beat and on the hook...at his best, he had Wilder beat and on the hook! if you catch my drift? Ortiz was closer to winning the fight the first fight when he just could not finish when he had Wilder hurt. Shape was not a factor. People are making a mountain out of a molehill imo. Either Fury can avoid a very powerful one armed fighter, or he cannot. At his best would that make it any easier? probably... Fury is creating drama and the possibility of defeat when he claims he will go after Wilder, which he may well do. Look at it this way, the best way for Fury to lose, is to come in with great mass, a solid weight for his punch... Being in the BEST shape of his life, and mix it up with Wilder and not be able to take Wilder off balance in the exchanges... He might well get caught as Ortiz did. The reason Fury was succesful last time was he boxed correctly, and used his skills properly. If he just wants to win this fight, he can play the odds and do what every other fighter does for most of the fight (take rounds) and in the last part of the fight, use a conservative strategy. My point is that regardless of how it looks to people... "oh oh ohhhh Wilder just has to uncork once!!!" the odds are with Fury in this scenario. Fury beat him last time this way really... Fury always will be his own worse enemy. Getting into shape to try to out punch a puncher is kind of like a weight lifter trying to get in the best shape of his life to wrestle a bear...does it really matter? Rhonda Roussey started her trajectory to the bottom trying to box a boxer. One who thinks Fury wins this does not believe that the Gypsy King is preparing to enter a punch out. He may try to finish Wilder when Wilder is going backwards...Or he may want to stand his ground when inside (Tyson fights well inside) but these reasons do not sell tickets.

That just makes me even more confident that he's had a crap training camp. This is a guy who usually shows everything, incl. his sparring sessions leading up to Klitschko etc. I think something is up and I don't believe them when they say they get on like a house on fire. At all. it feels forced. ****. You think so ? I think you are one of the more knowledgeable posters here I bet 20$ with a friend:lol1: God dammit

I found that clip. its a bout 135 on the reel. LOL not sure if you seen it or not but its him explaining why he wants no cameras That just makes me even more confident that he's had a crap training camp. This is a guy who usually shows everything, incl. his sparring sessions leading up to Klitschko etc. I think something is up and I don't believe them when they say they get on like a house on fire. At all. it feels forced.

Well its obvious hes in shape. How can you not see that? Its not like hes coming in like Ruiz shape. Hes putting in the work. What more would you like to know? Hes doing a ton of cardio and less sparring also. I need to see boxing shape. haven't seen one good clip of his training. The one i did see looked absolutely horrendous.

I think Fury wins this and adding another trainer isn't going to detract from the fundamentals he already knows. Worst case, he's losing and the "new" style isn't working through rounds 1-3. He reverts back to type and outboxes him for the remainder of the fight and wins a points decision. Best case, he puts Wilder into entirely foreign territory, having never really been roughed up. Think about how wild and uncoordinated Wilder was in the early portion of his career, it's taken him years to nail down fighting from medium and long range. What do we think he's going to look like fighting on the inside for potentially the first time in his life? Maybe he proves to be clueless and entirely unprepared for it. I do not think he has a natural boxing mind who could adapt to the situation either.

Whatever you feel just don’t tell your dad to bet 75k on either sides.

defiantly some mental warfare going on with Fury. Wont know anything until he we see him in the ring in round 1. Definitely. Fury says he doesn’t like Wilder either but I don’t even buy that. They’re both flashy guys. They’re making each other huge money. Wilder says he likes Fury. I think Fury likes Wilder also secretly. I mean look at the outfits they both wear to the ring. They can appreciate the similarities I’m sure. I don’t see Fury telling everyone he’s gonna weigh 270lbs if it was by actual design. I could see him saying it to help promote the fight if he knew he couldn’t lose the weight. He could also want to try and goad Wilder to try and come in heavier, but I mean Wilder already has the power, and if anything I can’t see Wilder coming in “too heavy” or out of shape. Like u said, we will know more at the weigh in and round one. Plus talking about weight always causes buzz, could be as genius and simple as that. Fury can weigh in fully clothed too, cause boxing is ridiculous like that.

... something like this... ^^^ Wouldn't the next best thing to E. Steward be Johnathon Banks? That's who Wladimir Klitschko went with after Emmanuel Steward died.

Fury is going back to his roots. The next best thing to E Steward. He was with Fury until 2012. Davis just came on the scene for a year. More mental than anything. Fury needed that. Now hes got that under control and knows he needs to go back to what made him. Smart move really. ... something like this... ^^^

I think Fury's going to lose too. New trainer adjustment, crap in his last fight, going on about suicide again. No good.

Decent fight predication by Teddy Atlas.