Rank Your Top 10 All-Time Heavyweights and Why...

Another good list. 1-2 are obvious choices. The order for those 2 is probably personal preference. 3-5 is a tough call but it's hard to argue against the 3 you put there. Again just not sure what order to put them in. It's tough bro even now looking at it I left out frazier and I cant justify having liston on there and not frazier imo . It's so subjective and hard but I guess that's what makes it so fun

Here goes nothing .....this is off the dome and my list changes often but here goes nothing : 1. Muhammad ali . This is a no brainerd for me . He and Louis are neck in neck but ali fought in a better era and beat more hof / Olympic medalists which means alot for me . No 1 to the goat 10 out of 10 times for me . 2. Joe Louis. Need I say more ??the nicest right hand I have ever witnessed . A still historic run of 25 defences that hasnt been beaten to this day . Joe was something special and he helped changed the sport and the world and would have been more appreciated if a young man named Cassius clay never laced up . 3. Larry holmes . I know I will catch flack for this , but larry had it all and I cant hate on him for being born in alis shadow and being born when he was . Larry head to head is a tough fight for any heavy in history. He has the best jab all time or right up there . A rock solid chin , what more can u ask for from holmes except for him to born earlier . 4. George foreman - as I type this I feel like george should be number 3 but then I remember that head to head I'd have to pick larry 8 outta 10 times . But other than that , George's resume speaks for itself . He is without a doubt a top 5 heavy . 5. Lennox lewis - head to head on his best night lennox is pretty much unstoppable , he fought every top fighter in his way and beat everyone of them . Lennox is insanely under rated . Altho on these forums I feel he does get his due . 6.evander holyfield - do I really need to say much about this guy?? Not only is he an all time great heavy bar none , he is the cruiserweight goat. Altho he picked up some losses he was never in a full fight and I never seen this man dominated in his prime or even on the tail end of said prime . 7. Jack Johnson- the original trailblazer and fought well beyond his era skill wise . This man changed the world and his story and record tell everything needed to know . 8. Rocky Marciano- the only undefeated all timer . Altho he came up in a horrendous era it is def. Under rated these days,and the fact that the rock fought everyone counts for soemthing . 9.jack Dempsey- the manaussa mauler . The first aura of invincibility and a true story or rags to riches . Maybe not the best technically but he still changed the way the sport was viewed and was a savage man. 10. Sonny liston - another man in the shadow of the goat . Sonny liston was a god damned monster . Arguably the best jab ever , a straight power shot and the liston who annihilated Cleveland William's could beat any human on that night . Honorable mention : jersey joe ( crime.inally underrated thos who know , know ....mike tyson ( obvious reasons ) , riddick bowe ( the bowe who beat holy I would have a hard time picking against vs any man in history that was a special performance ) , wlad Klitschko ( honestly I just hated watching this cream puff ,seeing a scared heavyweight champ will never sit well with me ,but his record speaks for itself ). And anyone I forgot my bad again I did this off the top of my head . Iam sure iam missing some stuff . I've been hit alot lol . Another good list. 1-2 are obvious choices. The order for those 2 is probably personal preference. 3-5 is a tough call but it's hard to argue against the 3 you put there. Again just not sure what order to put them in.

1) Deontay Wilder - Because he's the current HW champion I "fux" with. I don't actually rate Wilder as an ATG, but, I like to believe, like any fan does, and this is the current HW champion I believe in. 50-0 but with more KO % than anyone else ever, then we'll actually talk ATG status. Favorite though? Yes, I don't know what will happen next whereas everyone else I do. 2) Rocky Marciano - So, I don't make it any mystery I am a fan of history and physics. The thing about that is I actually became fond of boxing through those fields. When something just keeps popping up naturally one takes a closer look, and that's really how I became a boxing fan. When looking up statistics on human physical achievement you'd be amazed at how often boxing comes up. Who produces the most amount of energy in the least amount of time? NFL line? Sumo 'Rassler? Nope, boxers from 150-220. It's kind of a physical marvel. Then on the history side of things it kept coming up too. Western style stories, or Gangs of New York style stories, both of them exist in boxing. Who clears out an entire bar for fun? Champions of bare knuckle, duh. Rocky Marciano is the convergence of these two interests personified by one man. My favorite form of boxing is KO boxing because KO boxing produces unbeaten HW champions. Absolute dominators. Points boxing has never. Who has the biggest bag of tricks in the KO boxing world? Marciano and it ain't even near something that resembles close. Marciano takes the best of the ancient greco-roman techniques, mixes them with forgotten bare knuckles techniques, and finishes the entire assembly with the oldest strategy known to boxing "Just keep punching" My reaction, even still "Just keep punching? Are you ****ing ****ting me? Okay Glaukos. Look at that ****in' crouch, this guy really does think he's a Spartan....Okay, that's some power....my god, 925ft-lbs? I wouldn't have thought that possible for any human let alone a guy the size of me. Goddamn amazing. Watch him dispatch Harry Matthews and check the man's left, that's shield work their bubba. In a boxing ring. I like Marciano because I like **** like Siegfried, Saint George and the Dragon, King Arthur, and even Hamlet and ****. I like westerns too, and I'm a sucker for early 19th century gang violence and we all have a fascination with the mafia. Rocky ****ing Marciano, baddest two fisted gunslinger to ever slay a dragon and get made for it. The 0, well, naturally. The old ways of boxing died because of the market not because of in ring success. sword and shield and bare knuckle produced ten other Marcianos before Marciano. He's just the last unbeaten HW champion of all time, and, he just happens to fight like the guys who did it before him. Joe Walcott has the biggest bag of tricks in boxing history, Joe Louis, the the longest reign, Moore, the most KOs. Charles was a great prime win, and he absolutely crushed all other potentials before they even made it to title contention. Marciano's got a resume. Points boxers had been champions during weaker eras and still lost. Marciano is alone because he is special. His closest likeness outside of olden times is Wilder. 3) Bob Fitzsimmons owns the record for having retired more fighters than anyone other HW champion ever and has taken more 0's from unbeaten fighters than any other HW champion ever. The first man to win p4p status, and king of the inside game. Ruby Rob could drop ANY HW if they got too close. It isn't often anyone considers this but Bob Fitzsimmons did win the HW championship twice. In a way he is the first x2 champion in HW history. Corbett retired to be an actor after getting paid by Edison to allow Tom to film him fight a local brawler. Corbett was paid well and toyed with the local man until he was ready to be finished and rather enjoyed the experience so he was ready to have more of that. He selected the guys to fight for his vacant title, a tradition that goes back straight to James Figg and continued at least until Louis's retirement. Steve O'Donnell, James Corbett's pupil, vs Peter Maher, the Irish Champion. Peter wins by KO, Corbett awards Peter the title, gives a retirement speech, and ****s off out of boxing. Peter Maher then challenges Bob Fitzsimmons to a title fight, Bob accepts, and Bob KOs Maher when he gets in close and drives that solar plexus punch in. Bob Fitzsimmons won his first World HW championship title. The Corbett came back to boxing and reclaimed his title without fighting but did go straight to Fitzs, got KO'd and really retired. We skip the original reign of Fitzs because technically Corbett stripped it from existence, but, in reality Fitzsimmons won his title twice making him the first ever two time HW champion and the only man to ever do it during a single authority era. 4) Daniel " The Jew" Mendoza is the single most important character to boxing today. Mendoza basically started boxing, before Mendoza we were just tuning up and figuring out. Mendoza brought the other side of the coin. Forever boxing is directly related to sword and shield swordplay. Mendoza took notice of this and updated it with new techniques brought on by dagger and rapier. Sword and shield = punchers. Dagger and rapier = boxers. Damn, that's an impact. Not only did he single handedly bring in defensive aspects and points based aspects of the game but he also brought in ticket sales for sporting events period, marketing himself through the media, using racial tension to offend the easily offended, and stayed safe while making a lot of money the whole damn time. On top of that he used his position in the gentry to speak to social and political unrest, he used his platform for activism. Mayweather is criticised for lifting Ali's bag up off him....that bag was never Ali's in the first place. Daniel The Jew Mendoza invented boxing in 1780. He's also a MW to HW champion like Fitzs and Roy, and he was never actually beaten but rather conspired against. 5) Yankee Sullivan is kind of an anti hero, mid 19th century tavern brawling Irish immigrant badass who was so infamous he'd be used as an example of toxic European culture making its way into the US through immigration sparking America's first ever immigration reform movement. He was a street criminal turned boxer familiar enough with organized crime to know how far he could push them. One of my favorite Yankee Sullivan stories is when he was set to fight John Old Smoke Morrissey, leader of the Dead Rabbits gang. The audience was the dead rabbits, and they were armed, and local gamblers, and there was plenty of betting. Sullivan knew he'd be killed if he actually won the match so instead be battered Morrissey about the ring, made him a bloody mess, and left him a lump of the floor. Yankee then left the ring before the ref could count Morrissey out, it was a 30 count back then. Forcing the ref to call time on Yankee rather than Morrissey. Yanks both preserved his integrity and humbled himself while staring down loaded guns. In the end Sullivan was taken out by a militia. Yeah...a militia. No a man, nor police force, but rather a poorly managed military group. 6) Roy Jones Jr is the only man in boxing history to ever put on the weight of a heavyweight and be successful coming up from middleweight. Everyone else, like D-Jew and Fitzs, fought at their regular weight. Their 'moving' up to HW consisted of them announcing they're willing to fight any man at any weight and go for the real championship. Fitzs sometime even weighed less at HW than he did MW :lol1: It's a really difficult to put on weight and still perform. There's a lot of caveats to Roy's accomplishment, but, the fact remains he's the only guy in 3k years to do what he did. 7) Evander Holyfield. Four time, four time, four time, four time HW champion of the world. I do not give any ****s about PEDs. Holyfield was always a guy who came with a stellar plan and if it wasn't for him Tyson and Lennox wouldn't have much of a resume. He made the 90s the 90s. Thanks to you Real Deal. 8) George Foreman kind of invented Big Man Game. He is really a masterful boxer and doesn't get enough credit because Ali had superior traits. Before George, guys like Primo and Willard, they just fought like K2. If you're a big fans of the brothers you'd probably like Primo. Foreman's a tactical puncher and was able to adapt his abilities using two very different styles for similar outcomes. There are two Foremans, Young Foreman and Old Foreman and both of them were badass. Old Foreman impresses me more with his mind, Young Foreman gives no ****s and will shove your skull through your candy ass. 9) Joe Louis, if we were talking greatness rather than favoritism he'd top this SOB. Joe Louis is the most efficient HW champ of all time. Watching him box is like watching an orchestra. No over exaggerated movement, no waste of space or time, no over or under doing anything. Everything is just right....and that's it, simply correct. Joe Louis was a bad mother ****er and great to learn from, he is the textbook. 10) Jack Johnson, just gave no ****s about anyone else's opinions and did his thing regardless. Jack was waaay better than the competition of his era, he'd cleared the colored ranks before crossing the colorline then dominated the whites for a while. A nice while. I like a rebel who sticks it to the man. Especially one with morality on his side. Jack Johnson just wanted freedom, anyone can get behind that. He stole his freedom with his fists, and, his mind. Sometimes it's mentioned in anecdotes Johnson invented a wrench. I don't much see people explain the use of Johnson wrench though. He invented an adjustable wrench to tighten and loosen connections on his steam car while rolling down the road so he could outrun the coppers who were trying to arrest him for marrying a white girl. I'm not much for the time travel scenario, as much as I love history I don't really want to live it, but, if it was 1910 and I had to be alive in 1910 I don't reckon I'd want to do anything but hang out at Johnson's club and listen to him play bass while telling jokes and drinking. He had his demons, and plenty of times Jack was unkind or ungrateful, but he was cool as ****. Who travels the world stalking the HW champion? Briggs? That **** was cool! Johnson did it on a level Briggs could only dream of though. OR Introducing the ten unbeaten HW champions: Marciano Glaukos Theaganese Klietomachos Melankomas Lyons Fearns Brian Pearce Wormuld I can tell youse about anyone of 'em :lol1: :lol1:

And I forgot smokin joe lmao wtf

Here goes nothing .....this is off the dome and my list changes often but here goes nothing : 1. Muhammad ali . This is a no brainerd for me . He and Louis are neck in neck but ali fought in a better era and beat more hof / Olympic medalists which means alot for me . No 1 to the goat 10 out of 10 times for me . 2. Joe Louis. Need I say more ??the nicest right hand I have ever witnessed . A still historic run of 25 defences that hasnt been beaten to this day . Joe was something special and he helped changed the sport and the world and would have been more appreciated if a young man named Cassius clay never laced up . 3. Larry holmes . I know I will catch flack for this , but larry had it all and I cant hate on him for being born in alis shadow and being born when he was . Larry head to head is a tough fight for any heavy in history. He has the best jab all time or right up there . A rock solid chin , what more can u ask for from holmes except for him to born earlier . 4. George foreman - as I type this I feel like george should be number 3 but then I remember that head to head I'd have to pick larry 8 outta 10 times . But other than that , George's resume speaks for itself . He is without a doubt a top 5 heavy . 5. Lennox lewis - head to head on his best night lennox is pretty much unstoppable , he fought every top fighter in his way and beat everyone of them . Lennox is insanely under rated . Altho on these forums I feel he does get his due . 6.evander holyfield - do I really need to say much about this guy?? Not only is he an all time great heavy bar none , he is the cruiserweight goat. Altho he picked up some losses he was never in a full fight and I never seen this man dominated in his prime or even on the tail end of said prime . 7. Jack Johnson- the original trailblazer and fought well beyond his era skill wise . This man changed the world and his story and record tell everything needed to know . 8. Rocky Marciano- the only undefeated all timer . Altho he came up in a horrendous era it is def. Under rated these days,and the fact that the rock fought everyone counts for soemthing . 9.jack Dempsey- the manaussa mauler . The first aura of invincibility and a true story or rags to riches . Maybe not the best technically but he still changed the way the sport was viewed and was a savage man. 10. Sonny liston - another man in the shadow of the goat . Sonny liston was a god damned monster . Arguably the best jab ever , a straight power shot and the liston who annihilated Cleveland William's could beat any human on that night . Honorable mention : jersey joe ( crime.inally underrated thos who know , know ....mike tyson ( obvious reasons ) , riddick bowe ( the bowe who beat holy I would have a hard time picking against vs any man in history that was a special performance ) , wlad Klitschko ( honestly I just hated watching this cream puff ,seeing a scared heavyweight champ will never sit well with me ,but his record speaks for itself ). And anyone I forgot my bad again I did this off the top of my head . Iam sure iam missing some stuff . I've been hit alot lol .

It seems like Tyson fans don't give Dempsey, Liston, and Foreman the respect they deserve for being the OG killers. And Ali fans don't give Louis the respect he deserves for being the OG GOAT.

But he would have better trainers etc for him to adapt to time period. You have to that into account He could have the best trainers at that time and he still wouldn't be anywhere near the top guys in Ali's era. You dont get ko'd by Max Schmeling if ur the greatest heavyweight ever supposedly. Louis is incredibly overrated by a lot of guys on here, the fact of the matter is he fought a lot of journeyman and club fighters, there's a reason Ali referred to his opponents as 'bum of the month'

I didn't say he would lose . You however created a scenario he still stay champion today with better training with no evidence against todays fighters . That's having it both ways ,you cannot make things up that haven't happened ,you can only use what we have on real footage . Sure but thats why fantasy fights so complicated.... Its mostly insinuation

Foreman didn't invent the big man game , Johnson and Liston did .Foreman was taught by Liston before he even turned pro I would have loved to watch the Liston vs Foreman sparring matches even though Liston was past his prime and Foreman hadn't reached his yet. Foreman said that Liston was the only guy he ever fought that could make him back up. Prime Liston vs Prime Foreman... someone might die if that happened. Heavy leather would be thrown.

Lmao this guy puts Fury at #1... Lmao u can't make this **** up And I'm the troll for putting Joe Louis #1...

No you don't. Because you also have to take into account he would have bigger and stronger guys today . You give credit for what the fighter achieved in his own era not what ifs ,it's only fair . And he beat who the guys in his era... The skill level was different. So how can use that to say he would lose? Can't have it both ways... If what i said can't be used then the latter shouldn't either.

Dont care how long Joe Louis was champ, the level of opposition he had was terrible. He wouldn't have been a champ in Ali's era. But he would have better trainers etc for him to adapt to time period. You have to that into account

Lmao this guy puts Fury at #1... Lmao u can't make this **** up

Dont care how long Joe Louis was champ, the level of opposition he had was terrible. He wouldn't have been a champ in Ali's era. Interesting to hear these 2 guys debate this topic...

Ali would box circles arounds louis in that case while entertaining and do it easy vs a slow paced limited stepping fighter. I think he might be a troll account given how recently the account was made...

Joe Louis (check spelling) was champ for 13 years in a row and had 25 successful title defenses in a row as undisputed champ. Not only did he clean out the heavyweight division, he kept it clean for 13 years. Yes there were some great fighters in Ali's era like Frazier, Foreman, Norton, etc... There may have been great fighters in Joe Louis' era too but he beat them all so I guess we'll never know how great they were. I think the record of 25 consecutive title defenses of the undisputed championship is a record that will never be broken. Dont care how long Joe Louis was champ, the level of opposition he had was terrible. He wouldn't have been a champ in Ali's era.

Being an ATG goes beyond in the ring sometimes , Ali was way more polarizing figure and dominated his own 60's era who were better fighters in a shorter list but then who Louis had to fight wasn't exactly killers he should have not taking any L's to anyone but the more you fight the more prone a loss is going to come . Ali didn't take any L's lucked out in one fight but remained undefeated in the 60's . Ali changed the sport and was the first to really use the old time wrestling gimmicks ,became a national hero and transended into a media superstar so much hed celebrity boxing matches, wrestled in WWE and fought in an real MMa type fight in japan,he was all over the place ,he was the first guy to do all this. Anyones list is subjective ( unless you had IKE listed at 3.) but I would put Ali at one for reasons listed. Oh I thought we were doing best all-time boxer not best all-time boxing entertainer.

1. Ali nobody else comes close. People saying Joe Lewis, just look at their respective resumes. Ali fought the top guys in their primes, he didnt duck anyone. Joe Louis (check spelling) was champ for 13 years in a row and had 25 successful title defenses in a row as undisputed champ. Not only did he clean out the heavyweight division, he kept it clean for 13 years. Yes there were some great fighters in Ali's era like Frazier, Foreman, Norton, etc... There may have been great fighters in Joe Louis' era too but he beat them all so I guess we'll never know how great they were. I think the record of 25 consecutive title defenses of the undisputed championship is a record that will never be broken.

1. Ali nobody else comes close. People saying Joe Lewis, just look at their respective resumes. Ali fought the top guys in their primes, he didnt duck anyone.

You really just expose yourself daily on here don't you on how actual LITTLE you know about the sport ?Placing a guy with 20 fights and best wins were Tua, Byrd and Wilson ,no title defenses or anything to actually place him in an all time great conversation . I guess you walk into public sports bars etc and you hear his name brought up all the time right ? ? And as if that wasn't bad enough you place Ike at number 3 and don't understand why anyone with boxing knowledge mocks you . lol:poke: Gotta agree here. While Ike certainly passed the eye test you can’t put him top ten (let alone #3) all time on that alone. He just doesn’t have the wins (quantity or quality) to even be top 20.