Have you ever agreed with a fighter ducking someone?

If a guy is too old, it’s not ducking just smart

If Fighter A doesn't fight Fighter B for several years, to "marinate" or "build" a fight (supposedly), is that consider ducking? Because often enough, fighters gladly take fights they are certain enough they would win, right? But then, they hold back on taking these supposedly, more "difficult" fights. Is that ducking? Or, is it a strong business move in a sport where any fight could be your last? That's the problem with calling things "ducking" (even if it really seems like it). Fighters are here to make money and hopefully keep their health, and they seek to maximize profit by doing so. It's the same concept of when fighters only take a fight with a fighter who seems to be slowing down, reflexes dwindling, etc...

Lennox not fighting Johh ruiz . That would have sucked but would have been better than the John Ruiz holyfield trilogy .

I never said he ducked anything you f#cking weirdo. I never said anything about a first, second or third mando quit being a f#cking weirdo. I'm not defending corruption. We all know these ABC groups are all corrupt. The boxers accept it cuz they are playing the game right there with them. It is what it is. And everyone knows the game. Sometimes it works to a mfers advantage & sometimes it don't. And you're acting like a fanboy. Out here quoting Eddie's bs. Eddie is the new Don King out here doing sh^t by any means necessary. Show me once where I called Ortiz a ducker you f#cking weird ass fanboy. Who's realllly lying here when you trying to throw lame sh^t like that on me? Everyone who's been here for any length of time knows I'm anti-ducking bs by fans. I'm done with your weirdo ass. Argue with me all you want but continually trying to put words in my mouth to fit your dumbass narrative is a f#cked up & corny way to try to win a debate. Blah blah blah. You got caught in a lie. You tried calling what Whyte/Ortiz did as ducking. When a lot of people with brains knew the WBC eff him up. You called a second mandatory a mandatory, when we knew the WBC have been doing everything to protect Whyte from Wilder. You are basically here telling lies about how Whyte was given a chance. So on that basis you are supporting corruption by all these ABC organisation. Now why are you supporting the organisation? When it’s clear they are corrupt and preventing another boxer from getting his shot? Well it’s because you are a Wilder fanboy. Which means you are not a credible character. The history of the WBC alone would have given you a little thing to think about. The fact that they went on to make Fury a mandatory when they didn’t need to, when Fury told them to F off, then ran off and made Whyte an interim but can’t get his shot until 2021 should have made you think twice about your words. But nah, because you know the fighter affected is Wilder you had to come on here and try to spread lies. This year is the year of calling out BS by posters like yourself. If you have zero self respect, I would bring it out in all of you this year. Stop spreading your lies.

The thing you gotta remember is how boxing works now vs in Oscar's day. Back then the money was smaller & typically guys wanted a rematch or maybe an option if you won. These days mfers pay a lot more everywhere so it's more competitive AND these guys want options win or lose AND a rematch with your purse built in if you do win. So lotsa ways a deal can be trash these days & Oscar knows that but it's in a promoters favor. Few fans give a f#ck if boxers are being paid well or fairly or gotta sign off on the next 2yrs of their career to a rival promoter &/or network to get the fight. And also relevant Mall got effed by that WBC guy, with Canelo's franchise distinction, like you can argue Whyte did (although as I keep saying with Ray Whyte largely effed himself by not doing a mando fight til recently). If not for that Mall coulda gotten to a purse bid situation where Oscar wins the fight but there is no rematch clause built in or options win or lose but he may get short money for that one fight. This sh^t with promoters is a sketchy ass business. I hope the Haymon way wins the day eventually so fighters can just agree to fights among each other & hire a promoter like you'd hire someone for a wedding. These promoters have helped f#ckup the game. They are given & hold too much power. Guys like AJ & Canelo need to drop their deals & sign exclusively deals to networks of their own. Then outsource the promotion to the same mfers if they wish to or find new guys. Neither of those two will ever need a promoter again to actually promote. Whyte didn’t fuck himself, the WBC blatantly f him over due to them protecting Wilder. You know it. The only person you can came Whyte ducked was Pulev when he made a mandatory and loss the purse bid. He didn’t have to wait for that fight. He would have got his shot right away. At least Charlo was given a belt here. When the Canelo fight didn’t happen.

I never was a weirdo about it being "immediate" at any point. You are playing semantics with that sh^t vs the sh^t I actually said. Fact is you are a liar. You sat there and accused a boxer of ducking a mandatory shot. When the corrupted organisation clearly stated it would be a “Second mandatory” Then you tried to down play it as mandatory is mandatory, when looking at the history of this organisation and the history of the champion that they are protecting then you would ask questions too. But your fan boy for Wilder so I don’t expect any less. You are no different to the PBC cultists on here. Calling me a whyte fanboy? lol 😂 that would be a first. I must be all boxers fan boys then, because I point out hypocrisy like this with any boxer. I don’t defend corruption like you are doing here, nor do I have to lie like you did here too. GTFOH with that fanbois lies about he ducked Ortiz.

Does anyone agree with Charlo ducking Canelo? That’s the first time am hearing of this. But nothing would shock me if it’s true. No one ever ask questions when it comes to the PBC top names, and even when a question is asked those names would dismissed it. Or you couldn’t even find anyone to ask those questions to.

Does anyone agree with Charlo ducking Canelo?

Everyone has their reasons, but you wouldn't agree with all of them. Despite what people were saying on here, Ortiz always represented risk without reward. One brain cell will get you to the right answer on that one. No duck. Avoiding a title shot. Or a massive payday in favour of a lesser one. Yeah that's a duck. Of course Ortiz is a risk, any HW is a risk. Some of these idiots in here who think if you are a Brit then you back a Brit are inbreds. I hate organisations corruption and dislike posters who back these corruption and run with their lies. The fact that they tried to make Whyte/Ortiz a “Second mandatory” is a corruption that every sane poster on here needed to speak out against. Couldn’t care less about the boxers nationality that is affected. Just do right by them.

A mando is a mando. It gets you in line to fight the title holder. Idk wtf you are on with "lies". You are dying on a hill of semantics. No a second mandatory is not an immediate mandatory. So like I said you are a liar. Point was Team Whyte reject the WBC offer of a “Second mandatory” because he would be in the same position that he is now. So to use that lie as “Whyte duck Ortiz” is anyone losing credibility in that instance.

Then ducking doesn't exist. Cuz everyone has their reasons. Why get destroyed by fighter A when i can feast on fighters Y and Z Everyone has their reasons, but you wouldn't agree with all of them. Despite what people were saying on here, Ortiz always represented risk without reward. One brain cell will get you to the right answer on that one. No duck. Avoiding a title shot. Or a massive payday in favour of a lesser one. Yeah that's a duck.

So stop encouraging these organisations and spreading lies on here. The Whyte/Ortiz winner was never going to be mandatory. They were going to be the second mandatory which is where we still at the moment.

Here are the rest of the notable announcements: The organization ordered a final heavyweight title elimination fight between England's Dillian Whyte (23-1, 17 KOs) and Miami-based Cuban defector Luis "King Kong" Ortiz (28-1, 24 KOs) for the right to become the division's second mandatory challenger behind Dominic Breazeale for the right to challenge titlist Deontay Wilder. Ortiz is coming off a highly competitive 10th-round knockout loss to Wilder on March 3. As per ESPN...

Show me where an ABC group definitely said any fight is gonna happen if you win a mando fight. Point remains unless you are a Whyte fanboy that this cat turned down a mando & didnt get the title fight he wanted & now when he finally did he gets it. Dude is the mando now. Say this that or w/e thats what did happen to not get him.a title shot & this is what happened to get him finally lined up with a title shot. And sh^t I don't even fault him. Ortiz is no joke & likely woulda outboxed him unless Whyte pulled a Wilder & KO'd him late. Fighting that younger less proven, less boogieman guy for a mando fight was a much better opportunity. Exactly ... you better backed down with your lies. I don’t get a toss about Whyte, but I dislike posters lying. Fact is the Whyte/Ortiz winner was going to be a secondary mandatory as stipulated by the WBC. To try and twist it is very irresponsible of you, so you can call me a fan boi of Whyte all you want but I hate these organisations like the WBC. And when you try to spread a lie then I would call you out on it. https://www.boxing news24.com/2018/05/hearn-will-appeal-wbcs-decision-to-order-dillian-whyte-vs-luis-ortiz/ By Scott Gilfoid: Eddie Hearn says he plans on appealing the World Boxing Council’s decision to order a fight between #1 WBC Dillian Whyte and #3 Luis ‘King Kong’ Ortiz for the second mandatory position to get a title shot against WBC heavyweight champion Deontay ‘Bronze Bomber’ Wilder. Hearn wants the WBC to install the 29-year-old Whyte (23-1, 17 KOs) as Wilder’s mandatory so that he can get a title shot straightaway rather than having to go through Ortiz (28-1, 24 KOs). “We’re going to appeal that. Mauricio Sulaiman said he would talk about it this week, and maybe post a resolution,” Hearn said to skysports.com.

Twisting it? There's nothing to twist. Whyte turned down a WBC mando fight to get to fight Wilder. That's f#cking the whole "twist". Ain't no offer from Ortiz's team if Whyte doesn't accept the WBC mando. It's a whole you get x days to figure it out or we go to a purse bid on x date thing. Yes you are twisting it. Show us where the WBC said the Whyte/Ortiz winner = Immediate mandatory. Because the basic of Whyte not accepting that fight is due to your answer. You are twisting it. So show us how the winner is the mandatory. If not then you are a liar. Because I can show you that the winner isn’t going to be the mandatory. The winner would be the “Secondary mandatory” which would still be where we are right now with the protection the WBC was affording Team Wilder. You lot can bury your heads in the sand and pretend like the WBC were not shady in that instance because the boxer that is involved is called Wilder, but any knowledgeable fan knows they were doing anything and everything to delay whyte from getting his shot. So please show or where it says Whyte would become the mandatory if he fights and beats Ortiz.

are you talking about bradley fighting casamayor instead of khan? that was the first fight on his top rank deal. the top rank deal guaranteed him a pac fight. why would he fight khan if he knows hes guaranteed a pac fight? sure he could have fought khan and then pac if he won but thats not ducking and that pac fight isnt guaranteed to happen even if he won. its taking the guaranteed big money better fight. its like when baseball players sign 300 million 10 year deals. hey they could sign a one year 40 million dollar deal, thats better pro rated! cept almost no one actually does that because you take the big money when its there because you never know when it could vanish. bradley took the big fight when it was there Yes am talking about Bradley fighting Casamayor instead of Khan.

Ward was accused by some of ducking Hopkins. It was a ridiculous claim because beating Hopkins would have done nothing for his career or legacy. So I wouldn’t call Ward’s decision not to fight Hopkins a duck, I think it just made sense for him. There also wasn’t a huge demand to see that fight. Two dirty, boring fighters grappling and trying to out-foul the other for 12 rounds. Tyson avoiding Foreman was a smart move. Too much risk and would have done nothing for his legacy.

I think all boxing fans agree Khan ducked and continues to duck Brook.

F#CK NO! However, I been watching boxing so I'm no longer Naive to this sport to the point in which fans really believe it is all about them and what the want when it is NOT. It is 1000% about Promoters, Advisers, Networks, APPS...making the most money possible off of the sport we love. So YES it is a Business it always has been going all the way back to Jack Johnson vs Jim Jeffries Not every thing is a "DUCK" some match ups don't happen because while it make Sense to us the fans, it don't make CENTS for the people who actually put the money up to get these fights made as far as Promoters and Investors. Sorry but nobody is in the business of losing money giving the Hardcore fans what they want then a lot of them don't even buy tickets and attending events nor do a lot of them even Pay for PPV's or is subbed to DAZN but yet have a lot of say and a lot of demands very true...half the guys here complaining about how they want the best fights are in threads saying they dont buy stuff or cant afford certain subs...or dont attend fights....its comical

F#CK NO! However, I been watching boxing so I'm no longer Naive to this sport to the point in which fans really believe it is all about them and what the want when it is NOT. It is 1000% about Promoters, Advisers, Networks, APPS...making the most money possible off of the sport we love. So YES it is a Business it always has been going all the way back to Jack Johnson vs Jim Jeffries Not every thing is a "DUCK" some match ups don't happen because while it make Sense to us the fans, it don't make CENTS for the people who actually put the money up to get these fights made as far as Promoters and Investors. Sorry but nobody is in the business of losing money giving the Hardcore fans what they want then a lot of them don't even buy tickets and attending events nor do a lot of them even Pay for PPV's or is subbed to DAZN but yet have a lot of say and a lot of demands