Analysing all GGG's world titles

so, no, canelo wasnt avoided by anyone other than serial avoider of everyone sturm, and no a great MW does not yield the title in his second number one contender. I think you meant GGG wasn't avoided by anyone other than Sturm. And ok, if that's what you believe to be true then that's fine. Good talk...

interesting haranguing someone for not figthing someone else by showing that someone else he fought fighting someone else. Interesting that you won't even own up to thinking Canelo fought Ricky. That's pretty bad to confuse the two.

he fought matthew hatton who wasnt even ranked at 154 for a major title, Mayweather fought his brother ricky interesting haranguing someone for not figthing someone else by showing that someone else he fought fighting someone else.

No one is forgetting or ignoring that. Let's look at the timeline: Canelo won the vacant WBC junior middleweight title in March, 2011 against Matthew Hatton and Hatton was not in the top 10 at 154 during that time. Canelo got that opportunity early because he was being groomed as the next Mexican superstar, which is perfectly fine. He fought Mayweather in 2013 and to his credit, he earned that fight by defeating Austin Trout in a unification. Trout was eager to unify with Canelo but middleweights weren't as eager to do the same with GGG. Both are great fighters which is why both of their fights were so hotly contested. so, no, canelo wasnt avoided by anyone other than serial avoider of everyone sturm, and no a great MW does not yield the title in his second number one contender.

no matter the excuse its weak :fing02: Translation: "I don't like GGG", which is fine.

Let's add some context though. WHY was GGG handed belts and elevated? Was it because he just walked up and said "hey, give me my belts"? or was it because guys like Felix Sturm, Sergio Martinez, and Miguel Cotto didn't want to face him? Everyone had convenient excuses ("nobody knows who he is", "he doesn't bring anything to the table", blah blah blah) Even Canelo could have made the fight a year earlier but he didn't want to adhere to the WBC's deadline, which is why he vacated. The WBC then "handed" Golovkin the belt. Isn't handing over the belt just as weak as having it handed to you? but at least Canelo eventually fought him twice. The other guys I mentioned never fought him at all. no matter the excuse its weak :fing02:

triple G was handed belts elevated or didnt fight for them at all....weak Let's add some context though. WHY was GGG handed belts and elevated? Was it because he just walked up and said "hey, give me my belts"? or was it because guys like Felix Sturm, Sergio Martinez, and Miguel Cotto didn't want to face him? Everyone had convenient excuses ("nobody knows who he is", "he doesn't bring anything to the table", blah blah blah) Even Canelo could have made the fight a year earlier but he didn't want to adhere to the WBC's deadline, which is why he vacated. The WBC then "handed" Golovkin the belt. Isn't handing over the belt just as weak as having it handed to you? but at least Canelo eventually fought him twice. The other guys I mentioned never fought him at all.

Exactly my point. Canelo got certain opportunities because he was being groomed as the next Mexican superstar. It doesn't mean he's not a great fighter because he is. I'm just pointing out that GGG didn't get those same opportunities, which is why it took longer for him to break through. triple G was handed belts elevated or didnt fight for them at all....weak

he fought matthew hatton who wasnt even ranked at 154 for a major title, Mayweather fought his brother ricky Exactly my point. Canelo got certain opportunities because he was being groomed as the next Mexican superstar. It doesn't mean he's not a great fighter because he is. I'm just pointing out that GGG didn't get those same opportunities, which is why it took longer for him to break through.

ah matthew hatton, lets forget he fought mayweather back then ok. No one is forgetting or ignoring that. Let's look at the timeline: Canelo won the vacant WBC junior middleweight title in March, 2011 against Matthew Hatton and Hatton was not in the top 10 at 154 during that time. Canelo got that opportunity early because he was being groomed as the next Mexican superstar, which is perfectly fine. He fought Mayweather in 2013 and to his credit, he earned that fight by defeating Austin Trout in a unification. Trout was eager to unify with Canelo but middleweights weren't as eager to do the same with GGG. Both are great fighters which is why both of their fights were so hotly contested.

ah matthew hatton, lets forget he fought mayweather back then ok. he fought matthew hatton who wasnt even ranked at 154 for a major title, Mayweather fought his brother ricky

160: WBA- didn't fight anyone for the real title, got elevated from "interim" to "regular" to "super" IBF- Beat a C level fighter in Lemiuex WBC- Didn't fight anyone for the title, got it gifted to him from king nelo IBF - Robbed SD, he will probably duck a rematch too :dance: to sum it up, one of the weakest resumes of any so called top 3 p4p fighter possibly ever. inflated defenses glad he got beat so they wouldnt cook up some BS record...Carlos Monzon has the record for lineal defenses and Hopkins has the most for a major title

I didn't belittle anybody. I said that Canelo has proven to be a great fighter. Matthew Hatton was decent but not a world-beater. ah matthew hatton, lets forget he fought mayweather back then ok.

particuarly since he waited his early 20s for title shots, including an ATG. here you are quoting matthew hatton to belittle the guy who did that. you must be proud of yourself. I didn't belittle anybody. I said that Canelo has proven to be a great fighter. Matthew Hatton was decent but not a world-beater.

Canelo was never gonna have to wait that long for a title shot particuarly since he waited his early 20s for title shots, including an ATG. here you are quoting matthew hatton to belittle the guy who did that. you must be proud of yourself.

i guess its not sunk in yet that Canelo captured his first titles in his early 20s and GGG did one when nearly 35. its a stark contrast, nevermind what you write,makes "oh canelo is a ducker" like a post from a mental asylum. But out of interest, how would you feel if it was Canelo who waited till 35 before taking a title from someone? always someone elses fault with GGG, even when he finally steps up and loses after 1 step up to normal title defences win. THIS is whats fair to say - if GGG had stepped up and won a title from someone when he was 27, he'd manage one top defence and a few duff ones before losing it...basedon what he does in real life. Canelo was never gonna have to wait that long for a title shot and we all know this. He has been groomed to be Mexico's next superstar from the beginning, which is why he fought Matthew Hatton for a vacant title at 154. Canelo has still proven to be a great fighter, however we can't act like everyone gets the same opportunities.

It seems like Golovkin was trying to get a title fight long before he was almost 35. And I don't remember him turning down any title shots; I remember him fighting for interim titles and then not getting shots from various fighters. One last thing, it's a known fact that Canelo vacated the WBC title because he didn't want to adhere to their timeline, which was his choice. i guess its not sunk in yet that Canelo captured his first titles in his early 20s and GGG did one when nearly 35. its a stark contrast, nevermind what you write,makes "oh canelo is a ducker" like a post from a mental asylum. But out of interest, how would you feel if it was Canelo who waited till 35 before taking a title from someone? He made the GGG fight when he wanted to make it, which is more than I can say for guys like Felix Sturm (the "serial ducker" as you called him). I think it's fair to say that if Sturm had manned up and taken the fight then GGG would have had a title at least five years earlier. always someone elses fault with GGG, even when he finally steps up and loses after 1 step up to normal title defences win. THIS is whats fair to say - if GGG had stepped up and won a title from someone when he was 27, he'd manage one top defence and a few duff ones before losing it...basedon what he does in real life.

Spurm is a serial ducker, hes the king of spin like Ottke. This proves nothing, he ran from any challenge he could, or paid the judges for, not just GGG. sunday puncher? r u kidding me, theres not a straight fact there. Martinez was on record as wanting a warm-up after his operation before facing serious challengers.His real sin was using the warm up opponent (who became GGG's best defence shortly after) as a title defence. Golovkin could have fought to win title before he was nearly 35 too, thats probably Canelos fault in your eyes yuh? Theres only one person delaying here. It seems like Golovkin was trying to get a title fight long before he was almost 35. And I don't remember him turning down any title shots; I remember him fighting for interim titles and then not getting shots from various fighters. One last thing, it's a known fact that Canelo vacated the WBC title because he didn't want to adhere to their timeline, which was his choice. He made the GGG fight when he wanted to make it, which is more than I can say for guys like Felix Sturm (the "serial ducker" as you called him). I think it's fair to say that if Sturm had manned up and taken the fight then GGG would have had a title at least five years earlier.

Don't take my word for it about Felix Sturm: https://www.boxingscene.com/oner-explains-details-sturm-paying-avoid-golovkin--61851 Spurm is a serial ducker, hes the king of spin like Ottke. This proves nothing, he ran from any challenge he could, or paid the judges for, not just GGG. Or Martinez, Cotto, or anybody else: https://sundaypuncher.com/a-timeline-of-gennady-golovkins-quest-for-a-big-fight-9ac0d387d37c sunday puncher? r u kidding me, theres not a straight fact there. Martinez was on record as wanting a warm-up after his operation before facing serious challengers.His real sin was using the warm up opponent (who became GGG's best defence shortly after) as a title defence. As for Canelo, I never said that he outright avoided Golovkin. I simply said that he could have fought GGG sooner if he wanted to: Golovkin could have fought to win title before he was nearly 35 too, thats probably Canelos fault in your eyes yuh? Theres only one person delaying here.

sturm lost it to geale, this is not handing over the title. Geale chose Mundine because the rugby player part time boxer was a much bigger earner than GGG. This is not handing over the title. In fact Geale turned up to face him for it. Did Martinez and Cotto hand over their titles too, or what it GGG that waited till he was 34 to climb in the ring when a shyt titlist came along like Lemieux? What IS handing over the title is the governing bodies giving them to GGG - because that way he would lose them after facing more than 1 top contender as he does in real life. Deal with real life not your dreams. Now if GGG can prove he can beat more than one top contender and still keep a title I will change my tune, but till then, you accept reality. ah so, the guy who fought mayweather and unified at LMW was avoiding a guy who had only just won a title in the ring that year. ok, put down the pipe.. Don't take my word for it about Felix Sturm: https://www.boxingscene.com/oner-explains-details-sturm-paying-avoid-golovkin--61851 Or Martinez, Cotto, or anybody else: https://sundaypuncher.com/a-timeline-of-gennady-golovkins-quest-for-a-big-fight-9ac0d387d37c As for Canelo, I never said that he outright avoided Golovkin. I simply said that he could have fought GGG sooner if he wanted to: https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/15598415/canelo-alvarez-vacates-wbc-title-deadline-looming