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Dude, I'm sick of arguing with you. It's been at least a damn week of your Canelo/Pacquiao stannery. I didn't even read your response, not gonna lie. Only a moron would think Hagler & Monzon were ducking people as both are considered among the few fighters who have few to no misses in their long and storied reigns. Just ask Breadman if you don't believe me. I'm putting you on ignore https://media.giphy.com/media/UvJnlP5FeMJyQZO0Z0/giphy.gif Why would I ask Breadman?? He’s a bang average trainer with limited credentials... You haters are something else, you’re that anti Canelo you become engulfed with fanatical delusion. I keep telling you I don’t like the guy, but you’re that consumed with bitterness you assume anyone who has anything positive to say about him is a fanboy. You’ve definitely never seen a Monzon fight in your life, you’ve probably barely watched Hagler, and that’s why you were PROVEN WRONG consistently. You don’t have your own opinions on those guys because you have NEVER watched or studied them, instead you’re just regurgitating what some irrelevant trainer said. People like you epitomise what’s wrong with modern day boxing fans as you’re never satisfied. A guy moves from 160 to 175 and defeats a reigning champion and b****es like you are whining and complaining about it. Seriously GET A LIFE, you sad c***.

Who DSKAB??? 😂😂WRONG! Hagler held the IBF title, he fought until 87. So I was CORRECT in saying he fought during the 3 belt era. 😂😂WRONG! Monzon was stripped of the WBC title for not fighting his mandatory challenger Rodrigo Valdez in 75. If that happened nowadays sad tw**s like you would cry and say “Monzon is ducking him”... He regained the WBC title around 18 months later defeating Valdez twice both close decisions. If that happened nowadays sad bas****s like you would say “ Valdez was robbed”. I don’t even like Canelo, I’m no fan of Floyd, I’m a huge admirer of Pac and what’s he’s achieved in life. But the bottom line is that are all GREAT FIGHTERS. Just cause you don’t like a guy, it doesn’t mean you can’t appreciate their ability inside the ring. You clearly dislike Canelo (so do I) but that doesn’t give you the right to disparage his excellent career thus far making outlandish statements such as fighting a Light Heavyweight CHAMPION was a “cherry pick”. Lets remember Monzon was actually in talks to fight John Conteh but chose not to. On a side note: What’s your favourite Monzon fight??? Considering he’s your favourite fighter you should know his career inside out. Stop whining and complaining and get a life. Dude, I'm sick of arguing with you. It's been at least a damn week of your Canelo/Pacquiao stannery. I didn't even read your response, not gonna lie. Only a moron would think Hagler & Monzon were ducking people as both are considered among the few fighters who have few to no misses in their long and storied reigns. Just ask Breadman if you don't believe me. I'm putting you on ignore https://media.giphy.com/media/UvJnlP5FeMJyQZO0Z0/giphy.gif

Dummy, the IBF belt didn't even exist in '80 when Hagler became champ. He was the guy from '80 when he won the WBA/WBC & lineal belts up until he lost to SRL It's obvious who the kid is here. And definitely didn't duck anybody. Like Bread said, he missed nobody and fought everybody. Monzon held the WBA/WBC & lineal belts from '70-'77. They both held ALL of the belts that mattered and fought EVERYBODY. It's obvious you DKSAB just like all the other Mayweather/Pacquaio/Canelo groupies who think they're in the same league as the best of the best ATGs. Who DSKAB??? 😂😂WRONG! Hagler held the IBF title, he fought until 87. So I was CORRECT in saying he fought during the 3 belt era. 😂😂WRONG! Monzon was stripped of the WBC title for not fighting his mandatory challenger Rodrigo Valdez in 75. If that happened nowadays sad tw**s like you would cry and say “Monzon is ducking him”... He regained the WBC title around 18 months later defeating Valdez twice both close decisions. If that happened nowadays sad bas****s like you would say “ Valdez was robbed”. I don’t even like Canelo, I’m no fan of Floyd, I’m a huge admirer of Pac and what’s he’s achieved in life. But the bottom line is that are all GREAT FIGHTERS. Just cause you don’t like a guy, it doesn’t mean you can’t appreciate their ability inside the ring. You clearly dislike Canelo (so do I) but that doesn’t give you the right to disparage his excellent career thus far making outlandish statements such as fighting a Light Heavyweight CHAMPION was a “cherry pick”. Lets remember Monzon was actually in talks to fight John Conteh but chose not to. On a side note: What’s your favourite Monzon fight??? Considering he’s your favourite fighter you should know his career inside out. Stop whining and complaining and get a life.

Saying he was “robbed” is an OPINION. He lost 3 fights and it’s a FACT. Hagler fought in the 3 belt era so you’re WRONG. Even Monzon fought in the 2 belt era and wasn’t always the unified MW champion. If he fought nowadays we’d have clowns like you saying he “ducked Rodrigo Valdez for two years” and “Valdez got robbed in both those fights”.😂😂 I bet you’ve never watched a Monzon fight in your life... I’m so done with you kid, you’re a f***ing idiot. Dummy, the IBF belt didn't even exist in '80 when Hagler became champ. He was the guy from '80 when he won the WBA/WBC & lineal belts up until he lost to SRL It's obvious who the kid is here. And definitely didn't duck anybody. Like Bread said, he missed nobody and fought everybody. Monzon held the WBA/WBC & lineal belts from '70-'77. They both held ALL of the belts that mattered and fought EVERYBODY. It's obvious you DKSAB just like all the other Mayweather/Pacquaio/Canelo groupies who think they're in the same league as the best of the best ATGs.

You're not judged by your losses if you got robbed. Pacquiao was not robbed when he lost to Horn or Marquez. Hagler & Monzon literally dominated one of the best divisions in boxing historically for about a decade a piece and fought everybody, hall of famers, and look at what Hagler had to go through before he became champion, FFS It's arguable that Hagler should have zero losses, with only Leonard being a maybe. Again, those guys fought when there was no ducking or hiding with a belt somewhere. They were the only guy saying they were champion of the world. To even compare guys who can duck and move up & down divisions for favorable matchups is ridiculous. Hagler's win over Hearns is better than any of Pacquaio's in one of the greatest fights ever. His one (arguable) true loss was against a guy who's arguably top 10 P4P all-time. That's it. Pac's an ATG, but not in the realm of the long time champions in the era of "real" champions who unified and cleaned out divisions. Saying he was “robbed” is an OPINION. He lost 3 fights and it’s a FACT. Hagler fought in the 3 belt era so you’re WRONG. Even Monzon fought in the 2 belt era and wasn’t always the unified MW champion. If he fought nowadays we’d have clowns like you saying he “ducked Rodrigo Valdez for two years” and “Valdez got robbed in both those fights”.😂😂 I bet you’ve never watched a Monzon fight in your life... I’m so done with you kid, you’re a f***ing idiot.

The lunatic has been let back out the asylum. That literally proves my point that you are not judged by your losses. By trying to disparage Pacquiao cause he lost to Horn or Torrecampo, you’re also disparaging Hagler as he also lost to average competition as did Monzon. 80 fights in a row but how many against ranked opposition. Off the top of my head, I’d say it’s definitely less than 20. Monzon was a great fighter just not as great as Pacman. I love Hagler and have actually had the pleasure of meeting him. But I would conclusively rank him lower than Pacquiao. Pacquiao has more unique accomplishments and far greater longevity. Also in terms of opposition a lot of Hagler’s best opponents we’re originally from a smaller weight class. Who’s better than who all time, is purely subjective though and is irrelevant to the discussion. It doesn’t change the fact that moving through weight divisions is very impressive, and what Pacquiao has done is almost unrivalled. Anyway no point going off on a tangent here... it doesn’t change the fact that you’re a sad little man who’s that bitter about Canelo it causes fanatical delusion. You're not judged by your losses if you got robbed. Pacquiao was not robbed when he lost to Horn or Marquez. Hagler & Monzon literally dominated one of the best divisions in boxing historically for about a decade a piece and fought everybody, hall of famers, and look at what Hagler had to go through before he became champion, FFS It's arguable that Hagler should have zero losses, with only Leonard being a maybe. Again, those guys fought when there was no ducking or hiding with a belt somewhere. They were the only guy saying they were champion of the world. To even compare guys who can duck and move up & down divisions for favorable matchups is ridiculous. Hagler's win over Hearns is better than any of Pacquaio's in one of the greatest fights ever. His one (arguable) true loss was against a guy who's arguably top 10 P4P all-time. That's it. Pac's an ATG, but not in the realm of the long time champions in the era of "real" champions who unified and cleaned out divisions.

Hagler universally was considered robbed in EVERY FIGHT HE EVER LOST. Look it up. And Monzon won 80 fights in a row. Stop it. You can't compare people who fought in an era of zero ducking versus this era of cherrypicking, fighting twice a year, and moving up through divisions just to pick up a belt. Adrien Broner's a 4 division champ, FFS, Hagler was that dude. Just ask Bread You're just too young to know what you're talking about. The lunatic has been let back out the asylum. That literally proves my point that you are not judged by your losses. By trying to disparage Pacquiao cause he lost to Horn or Torrecampo, you’re also disparaging Hagler as he also lost to average competition as did Monzon. 80 fights in a row but how many against ranked opposition. Off the top of my head, I’d say it’s definitely less than 20. Monzon was a great fighter just not as great as Pacman. I love Hagler and have actually had the pleasure of meeting him. But I would conclusively rank him lower than Pacquiao. Pacquiao has more unique accomplishments and far greater longevity. Also in terms of opposition a lot of Hagler’s best opponents we’re originally from a smaller weight class. Who’s better than who all time, is purely subjective though and is irrelevant to the discussion. It doesn’t change the fact that moving through weight divisions is very impressive, and what Pacquiao has done is almost unrivalled. Anyway no point going off on a tangent here... it doesn’t change the fact that you’re a sad little man who’s that bitter about Canelo it causes fanatical delusion.

Whether you like it or not Canelo beat both, that’s a FACT you delusional little r*t*rd. How are losses relevant you f***ing dope???? Hagler has losses to freaking Bobby Watts and Willie Monroe. And Monzon lost to a guy with a losing record, amongst two other unaccomplished fighters. You should put me on ignore cause I have no interest in ever having a serious discussion with you, because you’re completely delusional and lack any common sense. Hagler universally was considered robbed in EVERY FIGHT HE EVER LOST. Look it up. And Monzon won 80 fights in a row. Stop it. You can't compare people who fought in an era of zero ducking versus this era of cherrypicking, fighting twice a year, and moving up through divisions just to pick up a belt. Adrien Broner's a 4 division champ, FFS, Hagler was that dude. Just ask Bread Marvin Hagler had the toughest pre title run of any middleweight of the last 40 years. Sugar Ray Seales 3x, Willie Monroe 3 x, Bennie Brisco, Cyclone Hart, Bobby Watts twice. That’s unreal. Literally unreal. 10 fights tougher than most fighter’s title reigns. Then when he became champion from 1980-87 we can’t think of one middleweight during the time that deserved a shot that he didn’t fight. Michael Nunn was emerging as a young fighter. But Hagler took big money fights in 1986 in Mugabi and in 1987 Leonard. So through 7 years the only slight case is an emerging Nunn. McCallum didn’t move up until after Hagler vs Leonard and that was Hagler’s last fight. You're just too young to know what you're talking about.

Canelo never beat GGG He never beat Lara And no, Pacquiao is not greater than Hagler & Monzon only somebody who just started watching boxing thinks so. Pacquiao lost to Joe Horn, a guy that Crawford beat like a mule. Stop it, and got completely slept by Marquez, a guy Mayweather toyed with. And, if you just insult me from here on out, I will just put your mark Canelo stan ass on ignore like those other Canelo stans. Whether you like it or not Canelo beat both, that’s a FACT you delusional little r*t*rd. How are losses relevant you f***ing dope???? Hagler has losses to freaking Bobby Watts and Willie Monroe. And Monzon lost to a guy with a losing record, amongst two other unaccomplished fighters. You should put me on ignore cause I have no interest in ever having a serious discussion with you, because you’re completely delusional and lack any common sense.

No it’s not you utter f***ing imbecile, Crawford beat 2 C level guys in and then has one solid win over Postol. Canelo’s wins at 160 alone over GGG, Cotto, Jacobs etc are WAY MORE IMPRESSIVE you delusional little c***. Pacquiao’s career surpasses both Hagler’s and Monzon’s. Monzon and Hagler held the world title for what 7 years. Pacquiao has been winning world titles for over 20 years you utter f***ing moron. I’m completely done reasoning with you now, I’m just gonna insult your dumb ass from now on. Canelo never beat GGG He never beat Lara And no, Pacquiao is not greater than Hagler & Monzon only somebody who just started watching boxing thinks so. Pacquiao lost to Joe Horn, a guy that Crawford beat like a mule. Stop it, and got completely slept by Marquez, a guy Mayweather toyed with. And, if you just insult me from here on out, I will just put your mark Canelo stan ass on ignore like those other Canelo stans.

And Hank Armstrong was actually a champion in a time when there was only ONE champion - -Henry drew in a middle title bid equivalent to the WBU title.

Your mother's a fxcking idiot for not swallowing you when she had the chance. I love Pacquiao and said he's an ATG, but I said that it would've been even more impressive had he completely unified at 140 or 147 rather than just winning the belt at 154. Like I said, Marvin Hagler & Carlos Monzon are even greater ATGs who stayed and dominated one weight class for almost a decade each. Roberto Duran completely dominated the LW division for 7 years before moving up to welter & beating one of the greatest WWs of all-time in his own division. Henry Armstrong was champ in 3 divisions when there was only 8 divisions and 1 champ per division. What Canelo and other guys are doing today is nowhere near what those guys did That's why all those guys are higher all-time P4P than Pacquaio, even though him going through 8 weight classes is the most impressive feat in the past 30 for so years. And I never said Crawford's greater than those guys in an all-time sense, but unifying any division is the hardest thing to do in boxing right now, which is why only 3 other guys and Cecilia Breakhus have done it in the 4 belt era. It's the most impressive thing that any of these particular guys have done recently. No it’s not you utter f***ing imbecile, Crawford beat 2 C level guys in and then has one solid win over Postol. Canelo’s wins at 160 alone over GGG, Cotto, Jacobs etc are WAY MORE IMPRESSIVE you delusional little c***. Pacquiao’s career surpasses both Hagler’s and Monzon’s. Monzon and Hagler held the world title for what 7 years. Pacquiao has been winning world titles for over 20 years you utter f***ing moron. I’m completely done reasoning with you now, I’m just gonna insult your dumb ass from now on.

Canelo is a drug cheat who got a gift against GGG. I’m in no way a fan. But I massively respect his ability and accomplishments as a fighter, as any real boxing fan does. You don’t support a guy like Manny Pacquiao who completely re-wrote boxing history by competing from 105 to 154 winning titles in 8 DIVISIONS. You’re a f***ing idiot.���� Crawford’s a great fighter but beating Dulorme, Postol and Indongo to win 4 ABC belts is NOWHERE NEAR as impressive as what Canelo, Floyd, Pac etc have done, whether you support it or not. Your mother's a fxcking idiot for not swallowing you when she had the chance. I love Pacquiao and said he's an ATG, but I said that it would've been even more impressive had he completely unified at 140 or 147 rather than just winning the belt at 154. Like I said, Marvin Hagler & Carlos Monzon are even greater ATGs who stayed and dominated one weight class for almost a decade each. Roberto Duran completely dominated the LW division for 7 years before moving up to welter & beating one of the greatest WWs of all-time in his own division. Henry Armstrong was champ in 3 divisions when there was only 8 divisions and 1 champ per division. What Canelo and other guys are doing today is nowhere near what those guys did That's why all those guys are higher all-time P4P than Pacquaio, even though him going through 8 weight classes is the most impressive feat in the past 30 or so years. And I never said Crawford's greater than those guys in an all-time sense, but unifying any division is the hardest thing to do in boxing right now, which is why only 3 other guys and Cecilia Breakhus have done it in the 4 belt era. It's the most impressive thing that any of these particular guys have done recently.

Do you think this GGG ducked Ward thing the biggest nonsense in the sport of boxing? I mean, they're not on the same division. Most fighters who move up are allowed to fight bums for their debut fights in the next division. Case in point is Ward himself. Charlo fought a one-legged opponent in Heiland. Broner fought semi-retired Malignaggi. Garcia fought Juda, on and on and on and on... Yet Glovkin has to fight the #1 P4P in the division? Is this a joke or what? Jermall Charlo is still fighting Heiland-level opponents after all these years.

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Canelo didn't completely unify any division. I don't think Floyd or Manny did either. I don't support that. I would've rather Manny or Floyd try to completely unify 147 rather than reach up and grab a belt just to have one at 154. That's not to say that their ATG resumes aren't ATG resumes, but they'd be more impressive to me if either dominated a division like say Carlos Monzon did at MW for a decade or 7 years like Roberto Duran did at LW, rather than just hopping all over the place for the sake of hopping all over the place. Crawford's my P4P king because he actually did put the effort in to completely unifying a division and did it before moving up to 147. And Hank Armstrong was actually a champion in a time when there was only ONE champion per division. When he ruled 3 division, he was actually the REAL champion, not just a guy holding an alphabet belt to say that he was holding a belt. Again, the goal of all of these guys should be to completely unify their division, so that there is only 1 champion. This is why I say that Charlo and Andrade should fight each other & GGG should fight them as well. You and you zeal to defend Canelo (a guy you purport not to be a "fan" of) has blinded you to that fact. Canelo is a drug cheat who got a gift against GGG. I’m in no way a fan. But I massively respect his ability and accomplishments as a fighter, as any real boxing fan does. You don’t support a guy like Manny Pacquiao who completely re-wrote boxing history by competing from 105 to 154 winning titles in 8 DIVISIONS. You’re a f***ing idiot.😂😂 Crawford’s a great fighter but beating Dulorme, Postol and Indongo to win 4 ABC belts is NOWHERE NEAR as impressive as what Canelo, Floyd, Pac etc have done, whether you support it or not.

Your views are completely DELUSIONAL. Canelo unified with Trout at 154 Unified with Mayweather at 154 Unified with Jacobs at 160. He has also fought Lara, Cotto, GGG x2, Kovalev etc. I genuinely don’t like the guy but how can you complain about that resume?�� The vast, vast majority of all time great fighters have fought across various weight divisions. It’s a way of CHALLENGING yourself. SRR did it, Hank did it, SRL did it, Roy did it, Floyd did it, Pac did it and now Canelo is doing it. But unfortunately some sad b***ards still whine and complain saying he should’ve done this, he should’ve done that. Get a life!! Canelo didn't completely unify any division. I don't think Floyd or Manny did either. I don't support that. I would've rather Manny or Floyd try to completely unify 147 rather than reach up and grab a belt just to have one at 154. That's not to say that their ATG resumes aren't ATG resumes, but they'd be more impressive to me if either dominated a division like say Carlos Monzon did at MW for a decade or 7 years like Roberto Duran did at LW, rather than just hopping all over the place for the sake of hopping all over the place. Crawford's my P4P king because he actually did put the effort in to completely unifying a division and did it before moving up to 147. And Hank Armstrong was actually a champion in a time when there was only ONE champion per division. When he ruled 3 division, he was actually the REAL champion, not just a guy holding an alphabet belt to say that he was holding a belt. Again, the goal of all of these guys should be to completely unify their division, so that there is only 1 champion. This is why I say that Charlo and Andrade should fight each other & GGG should fight them as well. You and you zeal to defend Canelo (a guy you purport not to be a "fan" of) has blinded you to that fact.

How about Canelo fight the other champions in his division instead of looking for weak links (Rocky Fielding, old shop-worn Kovalev) just so he can say he's a champion in a certain division. Again, I don't support not fighting the other champions in your division regardless of who the fighter is. I don't support Sugar Ray doing it. I don't support Roy Jones doing it If you want to call yourself a champion in a division, your first goal should be to completely unify. Which is why I also say that Charlo & Andrade should fight each other if GGG & Canelo won't fight them. I don't support belt shopping, sorry. It's another reason I have Crawford as my P4P #1, because he completely unified 140 before moving up to take a trinket at 147. Your views are completely DELUSIONAL. Canelo unified with Trout at 154 Unified with Mayweather at 154 Unified with Jacobs at 160. He has also fought Lara, Cotto, GGG x2, Kovalev etc. I genuinely don’t like the guy but how can you complain about that resume?😂 The vast, vast majority of all time great fighters have fought across various weight divisions. It’s a way of CHALLENGING yourself. SRR did it, Hank did it, SRL did it, Roy did it, Floyd did it, Pac did it and now Canelo is doing it. But unfortunately some sad b***ards still whine and complain saying he should’ve done this, he should’ve done that. Get a life!!

I don’t even like Canelo... I’m just not a delusional moron like yourself. Canelo consistently fights top opposition year after year. Andrade has never faced top opposition at any point in his career. If Canelo wants to challenge himself by fighting at different weight divisions he can. How about Andrade challenges himself at any weight. How about Canelo fight the other champions in his division instead of looking for weak links (Rocky Fielding, old shop-worn Kovalev) just so he can say he's a champion in a certain division. Again, I don't support not fighting the other champions in your division regardless of who the fighter is. I don't support Sugar Ray doing it. I don't support Roy Jones doing it If you want to call yourself a champion in a division, your first goal should be to completely unify. Which is why I also say that Charlo & Andrade should fight each other if GGG & Canelo won't fight them. I don't support belt shopping, sorry. It's another reason I have Crawford as my P4P #1, because he completely unified 140 before moving up to take a trinket at 147.

Good, your stannery is getting on my nerves. There's 4 champs at 160, and they should all be fighting each other. I don’t even like Canelo... I’m just not a delusional moron like yourself. Canelo consistently fights top opposition year after year. Andrade has never faced top opposition at any point in his career. If Canelo wants to challenge himself by fighting at different weight divisions he can. How about Andrade challenges himself at any weight.