Regarding CRAWFORD/SPENCE - Adding fuel to the fire, my opinion...

the bold is excellent and as a follow-up to the TS, you couldn't really add much more great thread so far Thanks man. Every now and then there’s sum legit convos on here that dont deteriorate. U mentioned social media before. I’m scared of a future where fighters will be trying to gain traction, hype, heat, love, hate, bias, contracts, stroke, money, based on whatever political/social comments they tweet that have nothing to do with boxing. The type of stuff that brings interest to that lucrative fringe fan market. I think boxing will be more resistant than most sports, but controversy and money is a part of boxing.

Spence just looks like a slightly better welterweight than Crawford to me. As a Spence fan I agree 100% Not only he looks slightly better, the resume tells us more what we need to know as far as who is the top guy in the division. Most people are holding Crawford higher than Spence based on the skills/eye test. But that doesn't say anything when the competition is not even close. I wonder how many Crawford fans are okay with his resume, but will shyt on GGG when he was knocking out 'bums' as they say. But no blame to Crawford either. Not only he is a bit of a slow starter, he generally annihilates the 'lower' level competition the way an elite fighter is suppose to. I also think he deserves a bit more credit for his win over Egidijus Kavaliauskas. I remember seeing this guy over the years and feeling he had the goods, and might make some noise. He is no push over and I think he still has the chance to come back and be a top 10 fighter. It's unfortunate people looked at him as a bum because no one really knows of him. Again, I think he is better than what people made him out to be. It wasn't an off night for Crawford, Egidijus Kavaliauskas is actually a pretty damn good fighter.

quick question for anyone if bob arum had spence and all the other pbc WWs(which hold 3 of the belts divided by 2 guys) and crawford was all alone over at the pbc.....dont you think bob would make a unification to unify the 3 belts inhouse before considering fighting crawford? im about, ohhhhh, 100 percent certain he would especially if the inhouse unification was ppv worthy and crawford was over there holding his d1ck without decent fight on the horizon for him..... im like 100 percent certain....stop trying to pin it on al and spence....it will happen btw my opinion is its a 50/50...with me leaning slightly towards crawford Well put. I agree with you 100%.

quick question for anyone if bob arum had spence and all the other pbc WWs(which hold 3 of the belts divided by 2 guys) and crawford was all alone over at the pbc.....dont you think bob would make a unification to unify the 3 belts inhouse before considering fighting crawford? im about, ohhhhh, 100 percent certain he would especially if the inhouse unification was ppv worthy and crawford was over there holding his d1ck without decent fight on the horizon for him..... im like 100 percent certain....stop trying to pin it on al and spence....it will happen btw my opinion is its a 50/50...with me leaning slightly towards crawford literally all you have to do is answer that question honestly...and then just stfu..its just logic and common business sense

quick question for anyone if bob arum had spence and all the other pbc WWs(which hold 3 of the belts divided by 2 guys) and crawford was all alone over at the pbc.....dont you think bob would make a unification to unify the 3 belts inhouse before considering fighting crawford? im about, ohhhhh, 100 percent certain he would especially if the inhouse unification was ppv worthy and crawford was over there holding his d1ck without decent fight on the horizon for him..... im like 100 percent certain....stop trying to pin it on al and spence....it will happen btw my opinion is its a 50/50...with me leaning slightly towards crawford

Pre-crash ESJ would've mauled Crawford, hopefully Errol is still the same fighter

I think they are both outstanding welterweights and I would pick Spence to win but it should be a close fight. I like Spence's higgher punch output and KO percentage. Everything Spence has done has been at 147 while most of Crawford's fights have been at 135 and 140. Spence threw 1100 punches at Mikey and won every round outlanding Mikey 400 punches to 70. Mikey is a good fighter with world titles at 135 and 140 and a one sided win over Broner. I am sure Crawford would beat Mikey but I don't think he would beat him as easily. Crawford had too much trouble last fight beating an average contender. I don't think Spence would have any problems beating that same guy much easier than Crawford did. Spence just looks like a slightly better welterweight than Crawford to me.

was Brook over-rated... ? Oh and by the way... In response to this. I added the quotation marks over overrated to indicate sarcasm. It seems there are a lot of people who say Brook is overrated, and I think they say that just to discredit Spence's win. Which again in my opinion and even if Brook was overrated, even after the loss to GGG, I still think that Brook is better than any one of Crawford's victories. Cheers

great post imho.... good shlt bro, happy new year :beerchug::beerchug: Thanks for your broken down response to everything I said! I generally agree with you as well. Happy new years as well man, cheers!

I wasent impressed with Spence the first half of the brook fight. Look off balance. My brother told me that he eventually gets rolling, and he did. I don’t like the guy personality wise. I figured Porter would lose but I knew it’d be closer than the odds or that most expected. Porter is just that type of challenge. I’ll admit that I’m a big Crawford fan. I like his style of fighting. He’s a successful switch hitter. It’s at least unique, few would even dare. I can’t say he’s overly charismatic either. I think it’s close to 50-50 vs Spence, I’d pick Bud just because he seems more special to me, and he can really push when he wants to. May the best man win of course. That's why this fight is so interesting! Crawford: Complete skill, decent pop Spence: Good skills, good power In my opinion they both lack something that they each don't have. If that makes any sense... :boxing:

The fight is easy to make though if both guys want it. They go to their people and TELL them to make the fight. These guys don't work for the promoter, the promoter and advisor work for them. They're the talent here, they bring in the $$... If Spence wanted the fight next, he could have it. He doesn't want it, and that's fine, he just doesn't want to fight the other guy considered the best in the division right now. The plans he has are not his, they're Al Haymons or someone elses and he is following them along because that's what most guys do in boxing. Maybe they'll fight before one of them looks terrible or gets old or moves on to another division, maybe they wont, it's boxing, you never know what's gonna go down.

I wasent impressed with Spence the first half of the brook fight. Look off balance. My brother told me that he eventually gets rolling, and he did. I don’t like the guy personality wise. I figured Porter would lose but I knew it’d be closer than the odds or that most expected. Porter is just that type of challenge. I’ll admit that I’m a big Crawford fan. I like his style of fighting. He’s a successful switch hitter. It’s at least unique, few would even dare. I can’t say he’s overly charismatic either. I think it’s close to 50-50 vs Spence, I’d pick Bud just because he seems more special to me, and he can really push when he wants to. May the best man win of course. the bold is excellent and as a follow-up to the TS, you couldn't really add much more great thread so far

By the way. I don't want this to come off as excuses for Spence/PBC or any BS of that nature. If it was up to me I'd love for that fight to be next. Regardless of negotiations or whatever comes out in the coming months... WE ALL KNOW THIS FIGHT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT. STOP ACTING LIKE THIS FIGHT COULD HAPPEN NEXT IF SPENCE 'KEPT THAT SAME ENERGY' ON TWITTER AS CRAWFORD. I don't think either of these guys are scared or are ducking each other... excellent man

To add fuel to the fire... I am going to copy and paste my thoughts regarding Spence vs Crawford. This was used in a different post, and a little more has been added to my thoughts/opinion. 'Overrated' post-GGG Brook is still better than anyone on Crawford's resume... Am I a Spence fan? Yes. Do I think Spence beats Crawford? Accident or not, I don't know... No one knows... and people should stop acting like they know. Crawford has never fought a skillful and hard hitting fighter like Spence, and Spence has never fought an overall talented and complete fighter like Crawford. To me that fight has been and still will be a 50/50 whether the accident happened or not. As long as Spence and Derrick James say he has been cleared by doctors, it's a miracle, and he is ready to fight, the accident is irrelevant to me (my opinion of course, which doesn't matter just like anyone else's opinion). was Brook over-rated... ? he was largely untested, other than a good/very good win over Porter Spence is just nasty, and Golovkin is a middlweight I think we found out where Brook is at, he is a very good fighter other than that, I thoroughly agree and I think you are spot on regarding the accident, good call With that being said, in the event of Crawford beating Spence, I will not make any excuse for Spence and bring up the accident. May the best man win. When it comes to money, I personally think it should be a 50/50 split... but we all know the 50-50 splits are far and few in between, and quite RARE... just like joint networks... but worse case scenario is 65/45 in favor of Spence. Am I saying that because I am a Spence fan? Hell no. We can sit here all day and argue about achievements and resumes, but the fact of the matter is Spence has done better PPV numbers than Crawford... in 2010, Mayweather offered Pacquiao 50% FACT: Pac had never pulled Mayweather numbers, or even close that is how you make big fights the split should be 50/50... if Team Spence disagree, then they don't want that fight... Spence is not Mayweather, or even a genuine star Brook and Porter alone are much better than anyone Crawford has beat. I don't care about the belts and undisputed... and if all of that matters? Well guess what, the man of the welterweight division is Spence, he has the WBC AND IBF... HE WAS A WELTERWEIGHT CHAMPION BEFORE CRAWFORD MOVED UP TO THE 147 DIVISION... Crawford can't sit there having beat Jeff Horn (who we all know received the WBO via robbery victory over PacMan), claiming to be the top dog of the division. agreed, good points but Crawford did expose Horn that is what happens when a good/tough guy who is not a genuine world-class fighter... gets in there with a guy who is elite To top it off, Spence has the WBC AND IBF... but even with that being said, I don't think Spence's resume is FAR BETTER THAN Crawford's, I just think SLIGHTLY. Is Spence calling out Crawford, the way Crawford is calling out Spence? Hell no... but can we say he's truly ducking him if no legit offers haven't been made? HELL NO... It goes both ways. Let's be realistic, let's stop pretending like joint networks have been a common practice. Let's be real, history has shown us joint network promotions are EXTREMELY RARE. yep and the point is, Crawford is getting testy... you can tell by his comments... the dude probably spends too much time on social media fighters should dump that shlt, and have a phone-ban during camp... no way is that shlt healthy/positive/productive if Crawford is blasting Spence one minute, and then all good with him the next, assuring fans that the fight will happen... then he probably knows something we don't... they are both cool guys, anyone who thinks Crawford is scared of Spence is nuts fans need to stay in their own lane... I am sure Spence will take that fight when the time is right... and I am not making excuses for Spence... I said the same thing about AJ AFTER he ducked Wilder... and yes, he did duck Wilder, no question... that fight will happen as well #timing Why can't Spence have different plans with his career? Who would blame him for wanting a HUGE pay-day vs Manny? If he beats Manny, not only he makes a fortunate, but he earns the third belt in the welterweight division. and that, is why I made the comment above Spence isn't going to call out Crawford at this time, especially if he has different plans with his own career. Why would he call him out if they aren't going to fight next? We all know Crawford is going to call out Spence... All this calling out by Crawford with little to no response from Spence, is going to make Spence look like a duck or a coward to the public eye... but when that fight doesn't happen, we all know Crawford is going to fight another piss poor excuse for an opponent next. Spence and Crawford both want to be undisputed WW champion of the world... But let's look at their options and be realistic. Crawford is begging for a fight that is not easy to make. He has to fight PBC fighters to get another belt. Spence can fight someone in his own network and make a fortunate, and also become unified champion with 3 belts. Not only in my opinion he is already the 'A' side, him beating a HUGE name/legend like Manny grants him a fortune AND A THIRD BELT. In that scenario, how can Crawford claim to be the A side in negotiations? Whether you like it or not, Spence is the man of the division. My opinion might change if Crawford actually presses for Arum to send a legit offer and contract. You don't make fights over social media! The public eye might believe Crawford because of his posts... But remember plenty of people ***** and cry over social media and what does that ever do? Arum is a CVNT, plain and simple always has been, always will be pacfans used to swear that Arum was a kindly old man and father-figure... who had pacs best interests at heart that did not last for long, did it Arum's MO:... he will give you 3 options... 2 are disgusting, one is the fight that he wants you to take... and generally, you will get benched unless you pick Arum's plan-A... or you will get Bradley'd/Horn'd... I am sure you know what I mean take everything that you said about Spence (because out of Crawford/Spence, Spence is the guy who looks least interested at this point)... and equally apply it to Crawford I 100% agree that if no Spence, Crawford should fight a top opponent, just like Charlo/Andrade... and I love the Porter fight... but you cannot throw Crawford under a bus at this point I agree that Spence is the top welter great post imho.... good shlt bro, happy new year :beerchug::beerchug:

I wasent impressed with Spence the first half of the brook fight. Look off balance. My brother told me that he eventually gets rolling, and he did. I don’t like the guy personality wise. I figured Porter would lose but I knew it’d be closer than the odds or that most expected. Porter is just that type of challenge. I’ll admit that I’m a big Crawford fan. I like his style of fighting. He’s a successful switch hitter. It’s at least unique, few would even dare. I can’t say he’s overly charismatic either. I think it’s close to 50-50 vs Spence, I’d pick Bud just because he seems more special to me, and he can really push when he wants to. May the best man win of course.

By the way. I don't want this to come off as excuses for Spence/PBC or any BS of that nature. If it was up to me I'd love for that fight to be next. Regardless of negotiations or whatever comes out in the coming months... WE ALL KNOW THIS FIGHT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT. STOP ACTING LIKE THIS FIGHT COULD HAPPEN NEXT IF SPENCE 'KEPT THAT SAME ENERGY' ON TWITTER AS CRAWFORD. I don't think either of these guys are scared or are ducking each other...