Worried about CTE talk ruining boxing? Media likely Overstating dangers

The thing that often gets overlooked with guys winning or high level defensive guys like Floyd or Sweet Pea I feel like is that you don't get that good at boxing in official fights without a lot of work in the gym where you aren't always looking as good as when fans see you. And looking bad in boxing means taking punches to the head. I suspect guys are taking 20x to 100x more shots training for fights in their whole pro career than they do when they are being paid to take punches & I don't doubt I could be off & it be even wider a number. Absolutely. Teddy Atlas brings up this point fairly often with the emphasis on the injustice of a bad decision causing a fighter to not only work his way back into position through two or three fights but more importantly all the added punches they will suffer in sparring as a result. For as many pro fights as Toney had, I doubt he'd be even half as affected mentally had he not been sparring day in, day out. Same goes for Shane Mosley.

Maybe he is... But "chronic traumatic encephalopathy" is a fraud also?... Read my post before that about how I feel about CTE.

He’s a proven fraud. Do your research. He claimed to have coined the name CTE, which has been proven to be a lie amongst many other things he spews. Maybe he is... But "chronic traumatic encephalopathy" is a fraud also?...

He’s a proven fraud. Do your research. He claimed to have coined the name CTE, which has been proven to be a lie amongst many other things he spews.

CTE can only be confirmed post humously unfortunately. Aaron Hernandez is a football player, when he died at 27 the CTE he suffered was the worst they’ve ever seen. The closet brain theyd studied with that much CTE damage is in a 45 year old. Now I imagine boxing to be even more taxing on the brain skull.. you can come to your own conclusions.

Are you saying it’s part of the conspiracy against Dr Omalu? To be fair some of the things they accuse him of e.g plagiarism he can only really do to himself. ... plagiarism is a common place in the academic world... the fact that Omalu plagiarized doesn't change the CTE issue...

why doesn't this surprise me?... Are you saying it’s part of the conspiracy against Dr Omalu? To be fair some of the things they accuse him of e.g plagiarism he can only really do to himself.

Washington Post article alleges Doctor Bennet Omalu is a fraud or an incompetent; https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/sports/cte-bennet-omalu/ why doesn't this surprise me?...

... Bennet Ifeakandu Omalu (born September 30, 1968) is a Nigerian-American physician, forensic pathologist, and neuropathologist who was the first to discover and publish findings of chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE) in American football players while working at the Allegheny County coroner's office in Pittsburgh. He later became the chief medical examiner for San Joaquin County, California, and is a professor at the University of California, Davis, department of medical pathology and laboratory medicine. >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bennet_Omalu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concussion_(2015_film) Concussion is a 2015 American biographical sports drama film directed and written by Peter Landesman, based on the exposé "Game Brain" by Jeanne Marie Laskas, published in 2009 by GQ magazine. Set in 2002, the film stars Will Smith as Dr. Bennet Omalu, a forensic pathologist who fights against the National Football League trying to suppress his research on chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE) brain degeneration suffered by professional football players. It also stars Alec Baldwin, Gugu Mbatha-Raw, and Albert Brooks. Washington Post article alleges Doctor Bennet Omalu is a fraud or an incompetent; https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/sports/cte-bennet-omalu/

I honestly can’t tell the difference. He takes about half an hr to finish a sentence If football (soccer) players have a link to early Alzheimer’s from heading footballs what damage does 20 + years of sparing and fights do to you, if you honestly don’t see a link your kidding yourself Your not meant to get repeated blows to the head, it is your choice that you want to tho

Floyd Mayweather is rightly considered one of the greatest defensive boxers of all time. Now listen to him talk in interviews compared to say, eight years ago. And it's only gonna get worse over time... I honestly can’t tell the difference.

CTE affects the vast majority of boxers who have a good amount of fights (say, some amateur background and 25+ pro fights), at least in some way or another. Some boxers are lucky and manage to escape relatively unscathed, but those are the exception to the rule. For example, look at somebody like Michael Hunter. Only 20 fights, won nearly all of them, very nice guy, yet if you watch recent interviews you can clearly see the affect boxing has had and is continuing to have on him. Another easy example is Jarrett Hurd. He's had 24 fights, won all but one and he already sounds punch drunk, slurring his speech. It's sad. Head trauma is real. Boxing is an extremely dangerous sport and almost nobody leaves it in the same condition they entered it. Floyd Mayweather is rightly considered one of the greatest defensive boxers of all time. Now listen to him talk in interviews compared to say, eight years ago. And it's only gonna get worse over time...

I'm not going to get in a big back and forth with you and your premise is stupid (you're going to say"I didn't say it doesn't exist, I only said the media... bla bla bla"). Maybe I would say “I didn’t say it doesn’t exist” because that was obviously my position from the thread title. If the premise is stupid then you should say that to the best Neuroscientists in the world because that’s what they are saying. If you can’t see what’s wrong with plastering people with a narrative that they are susceptible to a phantom brain disease that is tenuously linked to a huge range of effects then I’d have to question your sense of common sense. If you come back I have no idea where those quotes you posted came from as you posted so many links, most of them not from scientists themselves.

Well aside from working in medical research and having a degree in medical science I’ve also taken time to compile the video in the OP. I must have “done a bit of research” to compile all the quotes and time stamps. Care to actually post something from a scientific paper to support what you are saying or refute specific arguments. Many of the best Neuroscientists in the world are cautioning that’s CTE is being over blown. Besides CTE is not the only brain disease so I don’t see what your quote has to do with what I’m saying. OOOOOhhh... so you're here to get clicks. That makes more sense. This forum draws all types of idiots but I'm not too bothered by you as most here sense enough to see that what you're selling is a lie. "The researchers found in both groups that those with more years of fighting experience overall, as well as those participating in more fights per year, were more likely to have lower brain volumes than fighters who had the least experience." "Clinical and pathological features of CTE can manifest differently between sports, as rTBI exposure and mechanisms of impact can vary considerably. In fact, an analysis of previously reported CTE cases by Montenigro et al. showed a vast difference in clinical presentation. 83% (5/6) of professional boxers, who had more debilitating motor impairments, compared to 18.8% (3/16) of professional football players. In addition, severe dentate neurofibrillary tangles were present in 17% (2/12) and 80% (4/5) of professional football players and boxers, respectively, indicating a more pernicious progression in boxers . The difference in symptoms and neuropathology may be explained through the frequency of linear and rotational impact forces that occur in both sports." And, here's some material you can educate yourself with. I'm not going to get in a big back and forth with you and your premise is stupid and I already see you have a backdoor escape (you're going to say, "I didn't say it doesn't exist, I only said the media... bla bla bla"). http://www.boxing.com/chronic_traumatic_encephalopathy_brain_damage.html https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/36/1/2 https://www.cbsnews.com/news/boxing-mma-study-examines-threshold-before-fighters-suffer-brain-damage/ https://combatsportslaw.com/2017/04/11/study-why-are-cte-symptoms-worse-for-boxers-vs-other-athletes/ https://canadianmmalawblog.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/cte-in-athletes-in-high-impact-sports.pdf

Do a bit of research regarding the effects of the brain slamming against the wall of the skull. Well aside from working in medical research and having a degree in medical science I’ve also taken time to compile the video in the OP. I must have “done a bit of research” to compile all the quotes and time stamps. Care to actually post something from a scientific paper to support what you are saying or refute specific arguments. Many of the best Neuroscientists in the world are cautioning that’s CTE is being over blown. Besides CTE is not the only brain disease so I don’t see what your quote has to do with what I’m saying.

You are incredibly ignorant. Do a bit of research regarding the effects of the brain slamming against the wall of the skull. Do you think the term "punchy" was coined decades ago for no particular reason? Do we just ignore the fact that we can observe many boxers suffering mental deterioration? Boxing is BRUTAL. That's why it's such an exciting and dramatic sport.

... "there's nothing there", of course... Omalu was actually fighting a multi-billion business, right?... :) If Omalu was fighting the NFL who are so powerful then why is there a disproportionate amount of media about CTE in the American press?

https://youtu.be/d9-JvPZVUbk?t=447 Hollywood jumped the gun on that one according to some. That was a theory that has never been proved in the 15 years since the work. This guy does the same job as Omalu. He says according to him and all his colleagues "there's nothing there" in the Omalu report on Mike Webster; ... "there's nothing there", of course... Omalu was actually fighting a multi-billion business, right?... :)

... Bennet Ifeakandu Omalu (born September 30, 1968) is a Nigerian-American physician, forensic pathologist, and neuropathologist who was the first to discover and publish findings of chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE) in American football players while working at the Allegheny County coroner's office in Pittsburgh. He later became the chief medical examiner for San Joaquin County, California, and is a professor at the University of California, Davis, department of medical pathology and laboratory medicine. >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bennet_Omalu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concussion_(2015_film) Concussion is a 2015 American biographical sports drama film directed and written by Peter Landesman, based on the exposé "Game Brain" by Jeanne Marie Laskas, published in 2009 by GQ magazine. Set in 2002, the film stars Will Smith as Dr. Bennet Omalu, a forensic pathologist who fights against the National Football League trying to suppress his research on chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE) brain degeneration suffered by professional football players. It also stars Alec Baldwin, Gugu Mbatha-Raw, and Albert Brooks. https://youtu.be/d9-JvPZVUbk?t=447 Hollywood jumped the gun on that one according to some. That was a theory that has never been proved in the 15 years since the work. This guy does the same job as Omalu. He says according to him and all his colleagues "there's nothing there" in the Omalu report on Mike Webster;

... Bennet Ifeakandu Omalu (born September 30, 1968) is a Nigerian-American physician, forensic pathologist, and neuropathologist who was the first to discover and publish findings of chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE) in American football players while working at the Allegheny County coroner's office in Pittsburgh. He later became the chief medical examiner for San Joaquin County, California, and is a professor at the University of California, Davis, department of medical pathology and laboratory medicine. >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bennet_Omalu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concussion_(2015_film) Concussion is a 2015 American biographical sports drama film directed and written by Peter Landesman, based on the exposé "Game Brain" by Jeanne Marie Laskas, published in 2009 by GQ magazine. Set in 2002, the film stars Will Smith as Dr. Bennet Omalu, a forensic pathologist who fights against the National Football League trying to suppress his research on chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE) brain degeneration suffered by professional football players. It also stars Alec Baldwin, Gugu Mbatha-Raw, and Albert Brooks.