AJ fought like Wlad. The irony!

That didn't remind me of Wlad at all. - -Wlad never a tattooed prison thug holding a single TBA belt either.

What I am stating? Wladimir Kiltschko was more efficient and better at fighting a 'Bigman' styled fight and using his attributes against smaller fighters. Joshua seems challenged when using his own attributes, nothing is flowing and you can see him thinking 'Move left, Move back, Throw a punch, Move' etc Joshua got the job done, but I just don't think it was a great performance 'Joshua fought a Olympic styled fight, 'Where he was just hitting the target to score points, Instead of hitting through target'. Kiltschko from range, would break guys down with his jab alone then slowly bring in the right hand 'It was alarming as to how well Ruiz Junior was unaffected by Joshua's offense'. I am still backing Joshua to come out on top against all the other heavyweights, and I am aware that Joshua is still in a rebuilding process 'I don't think he is the same fighter, that he was prior to Ruiz Junior' Some interviews, Paulie Malignaggi & Teddy Atlas kind of hit on afew things here. Good post. I think u nailed it with ur comment on Wlad using his physical attributes i.e. height, reach to better degree than Joshua. My biggest knock on Joshua was that he seemed to bend at the waist with wide stance, and bring himself down to the level of his opponents. He was focused but his chin was out there. I also feel that his huge feet look like they are cumbersome to pick up and down as far as boxing style. He can cover sum big ground on the edge of the ring while he’s not engaged moving left and right like you said. This is running down the clock tactic. It’s not like there was anything coming at him when he was doing most of his movement. I wasent impressed with his performance either like you, but we know the most important thing for him was to win, look good another time. I think he will keep his more cautious style. It might be his best bet to win also. I think Wilder will have less of a chance to get to him now, but also he has less of a chance to get to Wilder. Which on paper is what u want with a puncher like Wilder..I think Fury is good enough to outbox anyone though he may have to get off the floor to do it, and we saw how that can end up. Vitali beats them all in my opinion.

I'm not sure which part you called bull****. Wilder talked about Wlad before Wlad ever mentioned Wilder. It doesn't mean he wasn't either. You have a man who worked for both and only threw one under a bus. You don't think Shelly could have preserved Wilder's integrity while swerving the Wlad fight if that was his goal? See real ****ing stupid for a guy whose job is to put over and make grandeur to say something that purposefully diminishes his status. Only thing that makes that makes sense is dude worked for both and Wlad made 10s of millions while Wilder was luck to see a few 100K You're talking like a police officer who catches somebody in the act of committing a crime, but doesn't arrest them because he can't see any motive they might have for doing it! I can easily switch that round on you and ask what possible motive Wlad might have had for not wanting to unify with Wilder as soon as possible? He was pushing 40, in the twilight of his career, with unwanted mandos looming and desperate to achieve his dream of unifying the division before time ran out. Wilder's WBC belt was the only one he needed. You seriously think he would tell Finkel .. "I don't want to fight Deontay until he's ready for me"? Yes, he said Wilder needed more fights - which was true - but whose problem was that, Wlad's or Wilder's? Finkel was not working for Wlad when he ruled out Wilder trying to unify the division. He wasn't Wlad's manager or promoter. How much of Wlad's 10s of millions do you think Shirley got his grubby hands on for occasionally acting as Wlad's US business agent .. a role which would probably have ended when Tom Loeffler took over as CEO of K2 in the US?

Yes, so stupid, now explain how he was protecting Wilder by throwing him under the bus. Y'all are ****ing morons. Wilder called Wlad out. Wlad said Wilder needs more fights. Finkel worked for both men. Finkel repeated Wlad. Finkle is protecting Wilder doe :dunce: You morons don't ever have anything to say but "You don't agree, you is stupid" like that says anything to me other than you're an insecure little *****. That's a pile of bullshit ... part of the false narrative concocted by PBC shills and Wilder fanboys to excuse his failure to make any attempt to unify with other belt holder's during his 5 year reign as WBC champion. Finkel had worked with K2 on the US side of Wlad's business, but that doesn't mean he was working for Wlad or speaking on Wlad's behalf when he made that, "Deontay is still a baby statement" He was speaking as Wilder's manager, ruling out a fight that he knew Wilder had little to no chance of winning.

Thraxox is just a baby, he isn't ready for the legendary Marchegiano. That wasn't difficult ya dumbass *****. Now, I reckon, could be wrong 'cause I'm so damn dumb as hell, but my dumbass sure do reckon your dumbass owes me an explanation. You too kafkod I don't get it .. what do you want me to explain?

That didn't remind me of Wlad at all. Wlad wasn't flat-footed but he didn't dance. He kept the jab out, let the hard ones go when he felt comfortable, and clinched if he ever felt uncomfortable with the range. Joshua danced and moved too much to be like Wlad and didn't use his job like Wlad.

Manny Steward was very smart guy that understood that the fights he got excited about in the commentator booth were not the ones he needed his fighters to have in order to win. Jab & move, right hand when there's an opening, don't stand and trade, tie up if you're cornered. If you're tall and rangy, that approach will get you wins over just about every brawler in love with his own power. Not always highlight reel KOs, but you don't need to risk going for the KO if you're winning rounds. So it's no surprise that after getting caught standing and trading in AJ vs. Ruiz 1, AJ hired Manny Steward's ghost to train him for the rematch. When you just need to win, that's what works.

- -If Deyonce thought she'd beat Wlad or AJ, she'd have fought them. Instead she knocks out TBAs for peanuts.

I don't see what the issue is.... He did what he had to do.. If he went in their and got knocked out tryna be he-man we woulda just clowned him

ok,I mean wlad never fought that way either in a rematch, because he didnt show up to act any way - he ducked his defeats. apart from with the guy who went blind of course. wlad enjoyed beating on a half blind man. Are you talking about AJ and Fury fights

Sorry , but I was under the impression , that’s exactly what AJ did : he showed up to not get ko’d He’s never fought that way before , one-two clinch or run And what happened the last time they fought ; he got ko’d I believe that is his reasoning to fight that way ok,I mean wlad never fought that way either in a rematch, because he didnt show up to act any way - he ducked his defeats. apart from with the guy who went blind of course. wlad enjoyed beating on a half blind man.

I’m a Wlad fan, though he could often be frustrating to watch. The thing is though, u have to imagine Wlad going through what AJ did in the first fight then imagine the immediate rematch. I could imagine Wlad not even throwing a right hand for the first four rounds. Course I could also see him trying to land heavier and more often late like you said. What I am stating? Wladimir Kiltschko was more efficient and better at fighting a 'Bigman' styled fight and using his attributes against smaller fighters. Joshua seems challenged when using his own attributes, nothing is flowing and you can see him thinking 'Move left, Move back, Throw a punch, Move' etc Joshua got the job done, but I just don't think it was a great performance 'Joshua fought a Olympic styled fight, 'Where he was just hitting the target to score points, Instead of hitting through target'. Kiltschko from range, would break guys down with his jab alone then slowly bring in the right hand 'It was alarming as to how well Ruiz Junior was unaffected by Joshua's offense'. I am still backing Joshua to come out on top against all the other heavyweights, and I am aware that Joshua is still in a rebuilding process 'I don't think he is the same fighter, that he was prior to Ruiz Junior' Some interviews, Paulie Malignaggi & Teddy Atlas kind of hit on afew things here.

I don't think he fought like Wladimir Kiltschko at all 'Kiltschko would of stopped Ruiz Junior in the later rounds' Anthony Joshua fought a Olympic styled point scoring fight, where he was playing a semi-violent game of tick. I’m a Wlad fan, though he could often be frustrating to watch. The thing is though, u have to imagine Wlad going through what AJ did in the first fight then imagine the immediate rematch. I could imagine Wlad not even throwing a right hand for the first four rounds. Course I could also see him trying to land heavier and more often late like you said.

I'm not worried about AJ fighting like Wlad. I am worried about him hiding in Europe like Wlad. Joshua’s last fight in the uk was back in 2018. His last two fights were in America and Saudi Arabia. Therefore I don’t understand your concern. There is more logic to say your worried wilder would hide in America. His last fight outside America was maybe 20 odd fights ago? (I haven’t checked so feel free to correct me if I’m wrong)

no AJ didnt fight like wlad. Fighting like Wlad would be not showing up to get KOed again, letting his big brother face him. Sorry , but I was under the impression , that’s exactly what AJ did : he showed up to not get ko’d He’s never fought that way before , one-two clinch or run And what happened the last time they fought ; he got ko’d I believe that is his reasoning to fight that way

:lol1: Curiously this came up under my notifications. I don't see any relevance to me though. This site is ****ing up :lol1: No, it was me who fucked up by mistakenly quoting you in a reply to some-one else. I edited the post and deleted your comment from it.

Like told Redeemer, those are Manny's words so I dunno what to tell you. I hold Steward in very high regard, listening to him is how I found out about Wilder and Fury actually. If he says they're amatuer, that's what they are. You don't get any higher expert thany Manny. ------ No one said Finkel was Wlad's manager. Finkel was never Wlad's manager, he's Wlad's advisor. And yes, he was Wlad's advisor at the time. It's reported on our own website. Manny had nothing but praise for Fury. Wlad fought the way Manny trained him to fight. I believe Finkel was Wlad's business manager in the US, but his main manager and advisor from the start of his career was Bernd Boente.

Other than going ahead with the fight, excuses for not doing so were the only option Finkel had. Finkel was not Wlad's manager, he was Wilder's. So what reason could he possibly have had for throwing Wilder under the bus to protect Wlad? Yeah he's trying to spin it when its obvious that Finkel didn't think Wilder had any chance against Wlad and if the stories of their sparring sessions are true then I can't blame him. It's only an issue when Wilder fans try to deny it and come back with stuff like "You think Wlad could have stayed away from Wilder's right hand for 12 rounds" .....Protect Wlad from Wilder by throwing Wilder under the bus and saying he isn't ready :lol1: ...... NSB has the best spin doctors.

no AJ didnt fight like wlad. Fighting like Wlad would be not showing up to get KOed again, letting his big brother face him.

I did keep saying Joshua's going to do his best rendition of Wlad. He's a track fighter, it's what you do with a guy who can't fight circular worth a piss. Limiting the punches down to one-two maybe a hook here or there, also just what you do with a guy who has posture issues. A lot of what Joshua does poorly Wlad did poorly and a lot of what would cover up his decifits is what Wlad did to cover his own. Fast feet are still kryptonite for Joshua. Doing his best version of Wlad doesn't help him fight Wilder or Fury. Wlad fought using amatuer techniques. That's why his style is used to mitigate the bad habits of a fighter. Wlad and Joshua look different but share the same habits like Wilder and Marciano do. Makes sense, just like Wilder and Marciano, for Joshua to mimic what was successful before him. Also, I don't know of any other form that'd help Joshua hide his flaws better. It's very basic because it's meant to get ams ready for pros. Real pro tech licks it everytime. It is literally a beginner's form. It's known as being adaptable, able to alter your style and approach to suit the opponent. There is actually no difference between amateur and pro technique. The difference is one of tactics and style, rather than technique. Wlad's style and approach depended on control of range, low punch output to avoid giving the opponent openings, and taking as long as he needed to take to gradually break them down to the point where he felt safe opening up and letting his punches go. Wlad's style post Manny Steward was actually the antithesis of how he fought as an amateur and in the first phase of his pro career. Also, please explain to me how Shelly throwing Wilder under the buss and making him look bad protects Wilder and not Wlad. Other than going ahead with the fight, excuses for not doing so were the only option Finkel had. Finkel was not Wlad's manager, he was Wilder's. So what reason could he possibly have had for throwing Wilder under the bus to protect Wlad?